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Original post by Catchetat
I think that it is the way to go. at least it does something to get people into work. unfortunately i think there are quite a few on my street as i see their cars parked by the roads every, smoking day and night, with babies by their side. it is quite a depressing scene.
but the problem is identifying those who are actually seeking work and those who don't. does anyone know how the state finds that out?
but the problem is identifying those who are actually seeking work and those who don't. does anyone know how the state finds that out?
I see the same, but you can never make presumptions, you don't really have any idea what their situation is unless they tell you.
Original post by Shomberlon
Again your making out I do things when I don't, the whole thing that you decided to hijack in the first place was when the original post I was talking to said they would spend 90% of there time actively hunting for work and I just tried to put it into perspective from what they said they would do.
It is certainly possible to look for work every day and you don't even have to leave your house. Your jobcentre should have given you tips on how this works when you started signing.
You don't actually have to pay bus fare to apply for jobs though, you can e-mail your CV or send it by post. If the Job Centre is making you go to visit an employer, they will pay for that. They will also print off your CV if you can't and probably also would be happy to post it to the employer themselves.
Original post by Shomberlon
You'd be surprised what the job center gets you doing, at one point I had to had in 5 CV's to different employers a week and log who they were. You make assumptions about what hoops we have to jump through and pass it off as fact.
I currently have to attend an agency twice a month as well as the job center and that's been since January, so far they've not even given my CV to anyone!
I currently have to attend an agency twice a month as well as the job center and that's been since January, so far they've not even given my CV to anyone!
I'm not surprised actually, if you've been out of work and signing for 18 months, the hoops they are making you jump through are going to be (justifiably so) more onerous than if you've been signing for only a few weeks.
Being required to send 5 CVs to 5 employers in a week and making a note of it is not exactly an example of something that is really that onerous, to be honest!
If you have your cover letter and CV prepared, then with only minor changes to each application to suit the job requirements, you should be able to get at least 5 done in half a day.
Original post by Shomberlon
Although yes I am struggling with bills im not worried as in September things will be ok and i'll be able to sort out a payment program with those I owe.
Anyway this saber rattling is pointless and we should let the tread get back on topic.
Anyway this saber rattling is pointless and we should let the tread get back on topic.
Quite. Don't expect to get away with calling someone a troll when they call you on something stupid you have said though.
Original post by marcusfox
It is certainly possible to look for work every day and you don't even have to leave your house. Your jobcentre should have given you tips on how this works when you started signing.
You don't actually have to pay bus fare to apply for jobs though, you can e-mail your CV or send it by post. If the Job Centre is making you go to visit an employer, they will pay for that. They will also print off your CV if you can't and probably also would be happy to post it to the employer themselves.
I'm not surprised actually, if you've been out of work and signing for 18 months, the hoops they are making you jump through are going to be (justifiably so) more onerous than if you've been signing for only a few weeks.
Being required to send 5 CVs to 5 employers in a week and making a note of it is not exactly an example of something that is really that onerous, to be honest!
If you have your cover letter and CV prepared, then with only minor changes to each application to suit the job requirements, you should be able to get at least 5 done in half a day.
Quite. Don't expect to get away with calling someone a troll when they call you on something stupid you have said though.
You don't actually have to pay bus fare to apply for jobs though, you can e-mail your CV or send it by post. If the Job Centre is making you go to visit an employer, they will pay for that. They will also print off your CV if you can't and probably also would be happy to post it to the employer themselves.
I'm not surprised actually, if you've been out of work and signing for 18 months, the hoops they are making you jump through are going to be (justifiably so) more onerous than if you've been signing for only a few weeks.
Being required to send 5 CVs to 5 employers in a week and making a note of it is not exactly an example of something that is really that onerous, to be honest!
If you have your cover letter and CV prepared, then with only minor changes to each application to suit the job requirements, you should be able to get at least 5 done in half a day.
Quite. Don't expect to get away with calling someone a troll when they call you on something stupid you have said though.
So we get to the root of it all, seriously you keep on dragging it up because I called you a troll, it got boring long ago.
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Original post by Shomberlon
So we get to the root of it all, seriously you keep on dragging it up because I called you a troll, it got boring long ago.
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Nope, I was dragging it up because you think the cost of printing (at 35p per sheet no less
) and the additional cost of travelling were acceptable reasons to complain about being on JSA.The fact that you called me a troll served no purpose other than petty insult throwing as a way of closing the argument without having to counter it when it was pointed out to you that printing is really not that expensive and the Jobcentre will pay for necessary additional travel costs.
Original post by marcusfox
Nope, I was dragging it up because you think the cost of printing (at 35p per sheet no less ) and the additional cost of travelling were acceptable reasons to complain about being on JSA.
The fact that you called me a troll served no purpose other than petty insult throwing as a way of closing the argument without having to counter it when it was pointed out to you that printing is really not that expensive and the Jobcentre will pay for necessary additional travel costs.
) and the additional cost of travelling were acceptable reasons to complain about being on JSA.The fact that you called me a troll served no purpose other than petty insult throwing as a way of closing the argument without having to counter it when it was pointed out to you that printing is really not that expensive and the Jobcentre will pay for necessary additional travel costs.
Wow a degree and a masters and you still didn't learn read properly.
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Original post by Shomberlon
Wow a degree and a masters and you still didn't learn read properly.
The irony is that I didn't study for a Masters. And it's 'learn to read'.
Are you serious about the prostitution thing?
Original post by marcusfox
The irony is that I didn't study for a Masters. And it's 'learn to read'.
Yeah that is quite ironic however the point still stands that I didn't say that printing costs 35p
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Original post by marcusfox
The irony is that I didn't study for a Masters. And it's 'learn to read'.
Anyway I'm bored of this now and can't be bothered wasting anymore of my time on you.
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The idea that the majority of people on JSA allowance are lazy is a myth. The amount of people who equate people who receive benefits with those who appear in the Jeremy Kyle show is scary. The reality is that the economy is terrible and no there are not jobs avaliable for everyone. I do agree to some extent that there are always jobs there to be done, even if they are not nice, as I've done a couple in summers between uni and will probably do some now that I am a graduate and they are relatively easy to come by. Saying that, I have only been able to get to these jobs because my Dad would drive me in as I have no driving license, so other things need to be taken into account. It is also worth mentioning that some employers are wary of hiring educated people as they see them as overqualified, and therefore likely to leave as soon as something better comes along. This is why it is hard for graduates to get adminstrative jobs and shop assistant jobs only requiring 5 GCSEs and no experience.
Its worth noting that if the OP spends 3 working days searching for jobs then they are actually only getting paid £2.29 an hour...well below min wage. For those who say they work for their money, kudos to you and you should feel proud of yourselves for getting a job despite the odds, but you would admit that you would not work a 40 hour week for £55 a week so the argument is irrelavent really.
The government could handle benefits a lot better tbh. Firstly by putting the national minimum wage up so that, if people are contracted to low hours they would not earn more on JSA than they would by working. Then by forcing landlords to lower their exploitative rents. As a student my house paid £1000 a month for a house covered in mould, a handyman who would drink on the job, stay until 10pm doing work and would not even finish the work that had been asked of him. This would be a better way of handling the housing benefits than scrapping them. I am not brilliant with economics but I always thought it was commonly accepted that the best way to kick start the economy was to increase consumption, which would the create more jobs and the like. The best way to increase consumption would be to make people think they had more money which increasing min wage and reducing rents would do. I mean if landlords suffer...who cares. They don't even work for that money, they just sit on their bums and watch it roll in as far as I can tell.
The JSA work experience scheme is a joke as well tbh. Stacking shelves at Tescos is hardly going to increase the employability of someone with a degree. Furthermore, the company can exploit these work experience people, and it has actually been reported that paid employees get less hours than the free work experience people on JSA!!! So everyone's losing out except the big cats at the top. The incident at the Queen's Jubilee Celebrations was disgusting too. Why doesn't the job centre foster links with credible employers, or at least a range that extends past unskilled retail jobs a 16 year old with no GCSEs could pick up.
I think people who are against JSA are perhaps a little ignorant, which, to be fair, is easy to be with the messages shown to us in popular media. The majority of people on JSA are actively looking for work, do anything and everything to bolster their CV like unpaid volunteer work. Most of them want a job and hate being on JSA. Most will pay back their debt to the country in the tax they will pay in their future jobs. It is a safety net that many people need to literally live. If it wasn't for the JSA and housing benefit people would be forced on the street, thus increasing their unemployability. Housing and money for food, for me at least, is not a right of a tax payer, but a basic human right for all people. I would rather my tax money went on them rather than duck houses for far-too-rich MPs.
Its worth noting that if the OP spends 3 working days searching for jobs then they are actually only getting paid £2.29 an hour...well below min wage. For those who say they work for their money, kudos to you and you should feel proud of yourselves for getting a job despite the odds, but you would admit that you would not work a 40 hour week for £55 a week so the argument is irrelavent really.
The government could handle benefits a lot better tbh. Firstly by putting the national minimum wage up so that, if people are contracted to low hours they would not earn more on JSA than they would by working. Then by forcing landlords to lower their exploitative rents. As a student my house paid £1000 a month for a house covered in mould, a handyman who would drink on the job, stay until 10pm doing work and would not even finish the work that had been asked of him. This would be a better way of handling the housing benefits than scrapping them. I am not brilliant with economics but I always thought it was commonly accepted that the best way to kick start the economy was to increase consumption, which would the create more jobs and the like. The best way to increase consumption would be to make people think they had more money which increasing min wage and reducing rents would do. I mean if landlords suffer...who cares. They don't even work for that money, they just sit on their bums and watch it roll in as far as I can tell.
The JSA work experience scheme is a joke as well tbh. Stacking shelves at Tescos is hardly going to increase the employability of someone with a degree. Furthermore, the company can exploit these work experience people, and it has actually been reported that paid employees get less hours than the free work experience people on JSA!!! So everyone's losing out except the big cats at the top. The incident at the Queen's Jubilee Celebrations was disgusting too. Why doesn't the job centre foster links with credible employers, or at least a range that extends past unskilled retail jobs a 16 year old with no GCSEs could pick up.
I think people who are against JSA are perhaps a little ignorant, which, to be fair, is easy to be with the messages shown to us in popular media. The majority of people on JSA are actively looking for work, do anything and everything to bolster their CV like unpaid volunteer work. Most of them want a job and hate being on JSA. Most will pay back their debt to the country in the tax they will pay in their future jobs. It is a safety net that many people need to literally live. If it wasn't for the JSA and housing benefit people would be forced on the street, thus increasing their unemployability. Housing and money for food, for me at least, is not a right of a tax payer, but a basic human right for all people. I would rather my tax money went on them rather than duck houses for far-too-rich MPs.
Original post by Shomberlon
Yeah that is quite ironic however the point still stands that I didn't say that printing costs 35p
Original post by Shomberlon
Firstly where's the money coming from to pay for all the printing of these CVs?
Original post by Shomberlon
Firstly the whole thing behind the CV thing was not my personal cost but the cost to others in similar situations, I am lucky enough to get free printing at college. I don't know where you go for all your printing needs but there's know place here that lets you print out CV's for 1/2p each. The closest thing to that would be the local Spar for photocopying and they want 35p per copy.
You were complaining about printing costs. You said that if you didn't have free printing, the closest thing available is photocopying at Spar for 35p per copy.
Now, I know you are trying to be clever by asserting you didn't in fact say 'printing' but 'photocopying', but that doesn't actually matter.
Whatever word you used - photocopying isn't a lot different to printing, many copiers today actually scan a digital image to memory and print that on the paper - on the face of things you were complaining about the (what we now know to be theoretical) cost of obtaining a number of paper copies of your CV, being 35p per sheet, and using this as an excuse to moan about JSA.
Even when on the face of it, you have free printing at college, so it's just groundless moaning about what-if scenarios.
Original post by Shomberlon
Anyway I'm bored of this now and can't be bothered wasting anymore of my time on you.
Nevermind, I'm sure you will take the time to read this.
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Original post by xlizzlebizzlex
Its worth noting that if the OP spends 3 working days searching for jobs then they are actually only getting paid £2.29 an hour...well below min wage. For those who say they work for their money, kudos to you and you should feel proud of yourselves for getting a job despite the odds, but you would admit that you would not work a 40 hour week for £55 a week so the argument is irrelavent really.
Those who work actually have to pay their own rent and council tax out of their earnings. Those on JSA do not. So it is appropriate to include these in your calculation.
Job seekers allowance £56.25 plus housing benefit single room rate, probably £55-£86 plus council tax benefit?
Don't forget the commuting costs of those who do go to work, in many cases job searching can be done without even having to leave the house.
Original post by marcusfox
Those who work actually have to pay their own rent and council tax out of their earnings. Those on JSA do not. So it is appropriate to include these in your calculation.
Job seekers allowance £56.25 plus housing benefit single room rate, probably £55-£86 plus council tax benefit?
Don't forget the commuting costs of those who do go to work, in many cases job searching can be done without even having to leave the house.
Job seekers allowance £56.25 plus housing benefit single room rate, probably £55-£86 plus council tax benefit?
Don't forget the commuting costs of those who do go to work, in many cases job searching can be done without even having to leave the house.
Yes you are right about housing benefits I didn't think to include those. I think housing benefits are £60 a week. So thats still 4.79. Well below min wage.
I can understand what you mean with commuting costs and such. I think the point I was more trying to make was that benefits does not amass to what you would get paid for a 40-hour job on min wage so you can not equate it to a proper paid job.
Original post by C_G
Welcome to a Tory government, what more is there to say?
A lot of the current JSA legislation was brought in under Labour or is based on Labour's ideas. The current work programme is based on the Labour version called New Deal and the existing sanctions, like having your JSA stopped for 6 months, was also in place under Labour.
I know it's easy to just blame whoever the current Government are when you're not happy about something, but often you'll find what they are doing is built on ideas and practices introduced by their predecessors.
Original post by xlizzlebizzlex
Why doesn't the job centre foster links with credible employers, or at least a range that extends past unskilled retail jobs a 16 year old with no GCSEs could pick up.
It's actually a much more complex process than you'd think. I used to work in a Jobcentre and spoke to the guy who's job it was to find local businesses to partner with for work experience. The problem he kept encountering was that small businesses just cannot afford the extra insurance costs that they would have if they took on work experience people. Weirdly they also have health and safety legislation to deal with which makes it difficult for them to take on people who aren't technically employees.
With all this in mind they just say no, so the only businesses that can take people on are those that can afford to - so places like Tesco etc. Charities can take people on for work experience but a lot of the time they've got enough volunteers that they don't have jobs available for work experience.
I think everyone would prefer if the work experience was better and more diverse, but it's really difficult for businesses due to the reasons above.
Original post by Harry Callahan
You get £111 a week if you're in a couple. £71 a week if you're over 25. So it's a fair bit more than £55 a week. Plus throw in some child benefit and the rest of it and it's actually quite a nice sum for doing sod-all.
Yeh haha I see in my local town how some people live - leave school at 16, pop out a few babies, live for the rest of your life watching Sky tv and eating ready meals
Original post by marcusfox
You don't think.
Instead of using the Internet to educate yourself on the matter about something somebody tells you that have never heard about before, you write it off as false.It says everything about your attitude in general on here.
The Department for Work and Pensions, through its executive agency the Employment Service (Jobcentre Plus), administers a scheme whereby unemployed people can gain discounts of 50% on a wide range of travel and Season tickets. This is intended to assist them in their search for employment, although they can be used for discounts on leisure journeys as well.
The Employment Service authorises and issues the cards, which are valid for three months at a time. Discounts are available on all Standard class travel tickets within England and Wales, Peak and Off Peak One Day Travelcards, Seven Day Season Tickets and Travelcards, and Longer Period (one month and more) Season Tickets and Travelcards, subject to the validity of the Photocard. There are no discounts for First Class fares. In all cases, the status code NDEAL is used on tickets.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2223089
http://new.raileasy.co.uk/information/rail-cards/new-deal
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=56881
Instead of using the Internet to educate yourself on the matter about something somebody tells you that have never heard about before, you write it off as false.
The Department for Work and Pensions, through its executive agency the Employment Service (Jobcentre Plus), administers a scheme whereby unemployed people can gain discounts of 50% on a wide range of travel and Season tickets. This is intended to assist them in their search for employment, although they can be used for discounts on leisure journeys as well.
The Employment Service authorises and issues the cards, which are valid for three months at a time. Discounts are available on all Standard class travel tickets within England and Wales, Peak and Off Peak One Day Travelcards, Seven Day Season Tickets and Travelcards, and Longer Period (one month and more) Season Tickets and Travelcards, subject to the validity of the Photocard. There are no discounts for First Class fares. In all cases, the status code NDEAL is used on tickets.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2223089
http://new.raileasy.co.uk/information/rail-cards/new-deal
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=56881
No it doesn't. It just means that I don't think it is true. I've already aksed the job centre for help with travel costs to college in September and was flatly refused.
Original post by Prepare-Yourself
Are you serious about the prostitution thing?
I've done it already, although I would call it 'escorting' rather than 'prostitution'.
Original post by Martyn*
No it doesn't. It just means that I don't think it is true. I've already aksed the job centre for help with travel costs to college in September and was flatly refused.
Are you really surprised at that? The travel support is there for work related activities, not college.
Original post by gateshipone
Are you really surprised at that? The travel support is there for work related activities, not college.
I asked anyway. And yes I am aware that they only support job seekers with travel costs once they have a job interview. I just do not think you can get a free rail card just because you are on JSA.
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