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(Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
we should take the right drugs (aka psychedelics) because:-

- They offer mindblowing experiences so far removed from the normal sober state of consciousness and mundane everyday bull****. It's a tragedy that most of the world has been brainwashed and poisoned against something so profound, something that has been practiced for thousands and thousands of years.
- They can change your values and perspectives on things for the better, as they can be very introspective & therapeutic and are an indispensible tool for personal growth as far as I'm concerned. They could possibly cure the ****ed up things about our society if enough people were in on it.
- They can offer a more spiritual experience than you will get in any church.
- Who the **** is any government or person to tell anyone else not to explore their own mind anyway?

true, they can go wrong if used improperly, but so can anything else if approached naively/ carelessly.

Very true.

[Jim-Jam]

(Original post by Suetonius)
Drugs are illegal because they make people happy. True story.

Oh the whole world's out to get me... How many times have you been 'screwed by the system' eh?

[jam277]

(Original post by b1gm3)
To be honest, directly comparing figures between alcohol and any illegal substance is essentially meaningless due to the disproportionality between the number of "users" of each. I choose not to get involved with anything illicit for several reasons:

It WILL affect your health in some way
It will affect the people around you
I don't want to fund organised crime

People say that there is no harm in a little weed, but my dad is ex-police, and the stuff he saw when they raided weed factories was insane. They would traffick people in from the middle east and tell the, that if they tried to escape, a gang back home would murder their families. They lived in disgusting and dangerous conditions. The factories are booby trapped to try to kill police and rival gangs in case of the factory being found.

You might say weed is harmless, but tell that to a guy living in filth after being smuggled in a shipping container for two months and mercilessly beaten.

Then grow it in your garden then, my mates do it in their garden and they have the equipment, no human trafficking and stupid **** like that involved, it's like the prohibition of alcohol, if that were to happen now, there would be a ****load of human trafficking, moonshine being made and a giant source of outrage and crime involved, ask any 100 year old who lived in chicago in the 1920s

There is no harm in a 'little weed' but there is harm if you're smoking a **** load of joints all day for 10 years of course to the point where you're addicted to it.

I'll share an anecdote, I was pretty depressed one day, took a bit of MDMA, felt like i've just been reborn, was suddenly motivated to do my work for uni, felt a slight comedown but the next day I felt a natural high when the E wore off. I've taken it one or two other times, but I think that was needed that day, I'm happy I took it, I don't mind taking it again if there is some available, but it's probably the best feeling I've ever felt in my life, why should I be denied that? Because a couple of idiots use it in the wrong way. Same with alcohol, or even paracetamol or protein shakes if you take too much of it.

[Suetonius]

(Original post by Jim-Jam)
Oh the whole world's out to get me... How many times have you been 'screwed by the system' eh?

It's true. America's prohibitive drug policy is driven primarily by a hatred of Mexicans, specifically Mexican children.

[SnoochToTheBooch]

(Original post by Aaron_xyz)
One can argue, that creativity as a result of an altered mental state, is not truly your own creation, as your consciousness is temporarily mutated and you aren't your true self.

it's interesting you should say that, because how many thoughts do you really think are our own even when we're sober? I think few or possibly none.

[Aaron_xyz]

(Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
it's interesting you should say that, because how many thoughts do you really think are our own even when we're sober? I think few or possibly none.

What do you mean?

[SnoochToTheBooch]

(Original post by Aaron_xyz)
What do you mean?

I mean as far as I can tell, I don't have my thoughts on purpose. They either come as an "instant" reaction to some external event, or follow on naturally from the thought that preceded it - but you can always trace a string of thoughts back far enough and find they started with some external sensory input. They're also no doubt driven by chemicals in a major way, regardless of whether that is an illegal drug, or a hormone, or whatever. There's no getting away from the effect of chemicals on our thoughts, it's happening constantly.

Anyway I don't think I deliberate which thought I'm going to have next, I just have it. It's more like I'm listening to my thoughts than writing them myself.

[usernamechar]

I'm so stuck on a chemistry question : How to find out the rate equation for the hydrolysis of aspirin.

Does anyone know steps in order to take to do this? So confused, any help would be appreciated.

[usernamechar]

I'm so stuck on a chemistry question : How to find out the rate equation for the hydrolysis of aspirin.

Does anyone know steps in order to take to do this? So confused, any help would be appreciated. xxx

[tommydeaks]

I am completely at a loss to try and understand this country's stance on drugs.

The way I see it - I may be completely wrong and do tell me if I am - but if drugs were legalised, would you not be taking business out of many horrible people's hands?

People are always going to get a hold on any drug they want, if they want it badly enough. Illegal or not. It is not hard to get a bag of weed or coke. It really is, IMO, as easy to get a hold of as alcohol. Personally, I think drugs would be just as easy to get hold of if they were illegal.

Also - if they are government controlled, this removes the chances of getting sold **** drugs which have been cut with all sorts of horrible substances?

If it becomes legal to purchase drugs, is the opportunity to tax them not practically infinite? How much do illegal drug related incidents cost us (well, some of us) as tax payers?

Equally, if they are legalised - would there still be an underground market?

What are the advantages to drugs being illegal? I'm not trying to preach, this is just my way of thinking about it, and I am genuinely interested in this debate. I am not an illegal drug user of any kind, either.

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by tommydeaks)

What are the advantages to drugs being illegal? I'm not trying to preach, this is just my way of thinking about it, and I am genuinely interested in this debate. I am not an illegal drug user of any kind, either.

I'm not sure what the advantages are either, although I don't know much about the finer details of how changes in our policy would effect people and business in countries that produce most of the raw materials.

My guess is that there are some fairly shady reasons why most countries but more specifically USA and UK has the drug policy they do. I know that I do have a bit of a tendency to be swayed by what we don't know rather than what we do, but you have to think that there being an illegal trade on that scale serves some people very well indeed. It's not health/public interest. There's clearly massive economic or political benefit to be had from a black market on that scale. I guess there's some pressure from business that stands to see a drop in demand if other drugs, for instance marijuana, were legal to grow in your garden. I guess medicinal and recreationl (legal) drug sales market is a bit of a juggernaut and it's in their interest for it to not be destablised.

[King Kebab]

I agree with the late Milton Friedman 100% on the issue.

[EonBlueApocalypse]

(Original post by robin22391)
exactly...anything is dangerous when used by a moron, even a spoon, but you would be insane to actually believe a spoon is dangerous...and so lsd should be used responsibly in the right environment as should a spoon... bill hicks explains it nicely...

"Always that same LSD story, you've all seen it. 'Young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped out of a building. What a tragedy.' What a dick! **** him, he’s an idiot. If he thought he could fly, why didn’t he take off on the ground first? Check it out. You don’t see ducks lined up to catch elevators to fly south—they fly from the ground, ya moron, quit ruining it for everybody. He’s a moron, he’s dead—good, we lost a moron, ****in’ celebrate. Wow, I just felt the world get lighter. We lost a moron! I don’t mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am, so that’s the way it comes out. Professional help is being sought. How about a positive LSD story? Wouldn't that be news-worthy, just the once? To base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstition and lies? I think it would be news-worthy.
'Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves' . . . 'Here's Tom with the weather.'"

I love Bill Hicks!

[kathhh8]

Should be Legal-
We should all have the right to experience life as we choose, and given enough education, everyone should be able to deceide what to experience.
I believe cannabis to be a pretty harmless drug if you don't use it too habitually, and if you're brain isn't still developing.
And drugs like LSD/DMT/Magic mushrooms, although i have not tried them, all appear to give very interesting experiences to change your perspective of life (provided you're in the right state of mind to start with). So I think they could be useful on a deeper spiritual level.


I still feel asthough harder drugs such as heroin and cocaine should be kept illegal, to ensure less people experimenting with them, as i believe them to be the most addictive. Whereas other drugs should be legalized to allow induviduals to make their own decisions as to whether they want to experience them.

[robin22391]

(Original post by EonBlueApocalypse)
I love Bill Hicks!

There should be a Bill Hicks society.

[callan]

People want to legalise Marijuana, but then the populace could become lazy from smoking it.

We would be better off without Tobacco and Alcohol, but lets not add more to the list and make it even worse.

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by callan)
We would be better off without Tobacco and Alcohol, but lets not add more to the list and make it even worse.

bearing in mind that we have used certain things like this for entertainment, enlightenment, relaxation, escapism etc almost since the dawn of man, can you explain how we would be better off without them.

[Brianop]

(Original post by jam277)
Would you like to research the long term effects of alcohol too, heart problems, alcohol addiction, abusive behaviour, heart problems, liver damage. It's not really too much of a difference between that and weed. Just that one is illegal and one is legal.

But like with alcohol, when taken in moderation you will not suffer from these effects.

There just isn't any point of them to me, it's just legalising something that is going to be abused anyway, just like alcohol is abused.

It's not a part of any solution or anything.

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by Brianop)
There just isn't any point of them to me, it's just legalising something that is going to be abused anyway, just like alcohol is abused.

It's not a part of any solution or anything.

The war on drugs is an even worse solution. It's impossible to win and causes immeasurably more harm than the drugs themselves.

[Brianop]

(Original post by RajPopat94)
People who do weed are most probably aware of this, in the same way that people who drink alcohol are aware of the side effects of alcohol too. It doesn't stop them from doing it though. I think it's more the inconsistency which annoys people. There is so much evidence to support that alcohol is worse than weed, in which case: why should alcohol be legal when weed is not?

Well since alcohol was made legal, it will be hard to ban something which has become a focus of addiction in this case and where a lot of money is rooted in, with alcohol potentially affecting the existence of so many businesses. Whereas by legalising weed, you're opening the door to unnecessary problems. We get on just fine without weed. We don't have this 'need' for something that isn't there, other than a societal fashion trend that's creating that need.