[MMoor18]

(Original post by gm15)
How does that work then? God hands down rules which you have to follow then eventually sends down a son to tell you to ignore certain rules yet those rules are still included in the new combo holy book (bible)?!

One reason i'm not religious is I think a god would do a better job of writing a book. For example doing it all in one go and not bringing out a revised edition thousands of years later.

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my U20i

lol!
Basically yeah
I don't make the rules, nor do I follow them! I just explain them.

[Kosmos]

Swines are actually one of the cleanest domesticated animals, they just appear to be unclean because in hot climates they roll around in mud to keep them cool due to the absence of sweat glands. They identify separate areas to excrete, also if they aren't handled well in terms of giving them unclean water or exposing them to animals with diseases, they will manifest in the pig and therefore cause diseases which is also the problem caused by not giving them enough space. That's why the ancient jews probably thought they were unclean because of how they contained them as well as the consequences of not cooking the meat appropriately coupled with the site of them rolling in the mud.

Alcohol, in moderation, increases beneficial cholesterol concentrations hence preventing risk of blood clots, which in effect reduces the risk of heart disease. This is the particular benefit in the consumption of wine. However excessive drinking can cause all sorts of problems ranging from mental to physical malfunctions in the body.

I can see why the ancients would have prohibited the intake of swine meat because they would have correlated the increase in human sickness when consuming the meat with the way they roll in the mud, which would have given them "evidence" that it is unclean. The same goes for alcohol.

[Hillbilly101]

(Original post by AceStacks)
Alcohol:

I Cor 6:9-10 - "A drunkard cannot inherit the kingdom of God"

Rom 13:13 - "Carousing and drunkenness is improper behavior"

Proverbs 20:1 - "Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, And whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise"

Swine:

Leviticus 11:7-8 - "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

The evidence is clear so why don't Christians admit to their sins?

It's definitely more about getting drunk, than the alcohol itself. Jesus turned water into wine at parties, so he definitely didn't have a problem with it! But I think it's more the whole getting drunk and not remembering anything that they have a problem with...

[xander93]

(Original post by AceStacks)
Alcohol:

I Cor 6:9-10 - "A drunkard cannot inherit the kingdom of God"

Rom 13:13 - "Carousing and drunkenness is improper behavior"

Proverbs 20:1 - "Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, And whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise"

Swine:

Leviticus 11:7-8 - "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

The evidence is clear so why don't Christians admit to their sins?

Also, another point:

Islam and Judaism arose in areas where the population was largely nomadic, in vast areas of inhospitable desert. This meant that any foodstuffs had to be non-perishable and last a long time while they traversed the desert, without carrying any infections. This is why halal meat is slaughtered the way it is - bloodborne infections could easily kill. Shellfish and pigs, if slaughtered incorrectly could also be dangerous.

Christianity, whilst founded effectively sometime after 50A.D. mainly spread to Western European countries, where such problems of food sustenance and disease prevention were not required to the same degree.

[.eXe]

(Original post by NuckingFut)
You mean like this thread you started?

Or this one?

How about this one?

But the ultimate "stupid" prize is reserved for our winner.

Those were all objective. So my point still stands.

If i make a thread that says: muslims are crazy Because they dont let me into mecca, then id be a ranting lunatic. But i don't make such topics.

My issue with this thread is not that it was made but rather, the purpose behind its making. Obviously i am not saying that he shouldnt make such threads, rather he should reason and debate the idea instead of just incessantly trying to propagate an obviously stupid statement...just because...

He has clearly been shown that the problem is with drunkenness and not with drinking so his entire thread has been refuted already.

Game set match son


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[AceStacks]

(Original post by .eXe)
Now you are just being silly.

So you know most Christians eh?

There are mass amounts of Christians just going around drunk eh?

Accidental or otherwise, you're certainly managed to look foolish I'll give you that much. Congrats.

Everyone knows most Christians aren't practicing today.

[Bonnier]

(Original post by umarrehman187)
christians like picking and choosing for thier own benefit...they like swine so they say oh no OT was before jesus came

That's not picking and choosing, that's history. Jesus is the more recent revelation so that is what Christians try to follow.

sometimes jesus is god sometimes he is son

No, he is always both.

sometimes he is dead sometimes this....just pciking and choosing....

He is most definitely alive and will return one day.

[Bonnier]

(Original post by placenta medicae talpae)
Because most Christians don't actually follow Christ.
How many Sabbath-observing Christians do you find these days?

What do you mean by sabbath-observing?

Let me remind you what Jesus said about the Sabbath:

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

Mark 2:27

[Bonnier]

(Original post by AceStacks)
Everyone knows most Christians aren't practicing today.

The only way you can practise Christianity is by trusting Jesus as your Saviour. I think quite a lot of Christians do that.

It's not about ticking boxes and trying to bribe God.

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by Bonnier)
What do you mean by sabbath-observing?

Let me remind you what Jesus said about the Sabbath:

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

Mark 2:27

Yep, that's true.
Don't know what your point is though.

He didn't for example say, "The Sabbath is made for people to do whatever they want on."

[umarrehman187]

(Original post by Bonnier)
That's not picking and choosing, that's history. Jesus is the more recent revelation so that is what Christians try to follow.



No, he is always both.



He is most definitely alive and will return one day.

yes we muslims belive he is alive he never died and resurected...he will come back to provve to everyone he is not god but he was a prophet...

im sorry god cannot be a son and god...god has given us brains to think not to start beliving he was god he as father he was son....

[Bonnier]

(Original post by placenta medicae talpae)
Yep, that's true.
Don't know what your point is though.

He didn't for example say, "The Sabbath is made for people to do whatever they want on."

The Sabbath was made for man to rest. A time to do the things he can't whilst working during the week.

[Bonnier]

(Original post by umarrehman187)
yes we muslims belive he is alive he never died and resurected...he will come back to provve to everyone he is not god but he was a prophet...

OK, but when he returns and I meet him in the sky, you owe me a tenner. Deal?

im sorry god cannot be a son and god...god has given us brains to think not to start beliving he was god he as father he was son....

God can be whatever God wants to be. I know your moon god is limited (a drawback of being imaginary) but mine is limitless.

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by Bonnier)
The Sabbath was made for man to rest. A time to do the things he can't whilst working during the week.

Good; we're agreed

[pathfinderaka8]

(Original post by AceStacks)
Alcohol:

I Cor 6:9-10 - "A drunkard cannot inherit the kingdom of God"

Rom 13:13 - "Carousing and drunkenness is improper behavior"

Proverbs 20:1 - "Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, And whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise"

Swine:

Leviticus 11:7-8 - "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

The evidence is clear so why don't Christians admit to their sins?

Not all christians believe in the same thing. Thats why you have different types of churches. I know Seventh day adventist christians dont believe in drinking alcohol or eating unclean foods mentioned in Leviticus

[umarrehman187]

(Original post by Bonnier)
OK, but when he returns and I meet him in the sky, you owe me a tenner. Deal?



God can be whatever God wants to be. I know your moon god is limited (a drawback of being imaginary) but mine is limitless.

ill give you 20 if i lose


my god is actualy limitless..my god doesnt rest like yours does on the 7th day right?...my god doesnt punish people for the sins of adam and eve....


god can be whatever he wants im sure he wouldt want to turn into a man and live on this dirty earth...that should be forbidden to think like that...how can god so high so clean so light become a man and walk this earth cmon mate use your sense...god can do so many things but im sure god wouldnt degrade himself to a human...

[NuckingFut]

(Original post by .eXe)
My issue with this thread is not that it was made but rather, the purpose behind its making. Obviously i am not saying that he shouldnt make such threads, rather he should reason and debate the idea instead of just incessantly trying to propagate an obviously stupid statement...just because...

By your own definition of objectivity, this thread stands. And if you are saying yours are any better, you'd be wrong. This is just as 'stupid a statement' as yours are.
If you can argue with any credibility that a thread titled "if Muhammad was a prophet, what is his prophecy" should stand as objective, (which you can't) why on earth shouldn't the OP pose this quite genuine question?

He has clearly been shown that the problem is with drunkenness and not with drinking so his entire thread has been refuted already.

Well maybe. But the question about pork still stands.

Game set match son

30-15 to me.

[Jam']

But OP, why on earth do you care?

[Bonnier]

(Original post by umarrehman187)
ill give you 20 if i lose


my god is actualy limitless..my god doesnt rest like yours does on the 7th day right?...my god doesnt punish people for the sins of adam and eve....

God punishes us for our own sins. Adam and Eve were just the first ones to rebel. We are not punished because they disobeyed God. Any of us in their place would have done the same thing.

god can be whatever he wants im sure he wouldt want to turn into a man and live on this dirty earth...that should be forbidden to think like that...how can god so high so clean so light become a man and walk this earth cmon mate use your sense...god can do so many things but im sure god wouldnt degrade himself to a human...

God made us in his own image. What is so dirty about him walking with us in his own creation?

[placenta medicae talpae]

(Original post by umarrehman187)
my god is actualy limitless..my god doesnt rest like yours does on the 7th day right?...my god doesnt punish people for the sins of adam and eve....

I'm not here to try to tell anyone what they should believe or whatever, but I just thought it might be worth clearing up this common misconception about Christianity.
Whatever they tell you about 'original sin', it's false.

"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him." (Ezekiel 18:20)

So on the Judgement Day, we aren't accountable for Adam's or Eve's or our great-grandparents' sins