[Study]

(Original post by Rational Thinker)
The idea that Muslims have protected Jews is bull**** frankly.
Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"

This is some bile from Mohammed himself.

Quite funny how you can't seem to get the meaning of the quote.

[Rational Thinker]

(Original post by Study)
What evidence is there to say there isn't a God?

The alternative would be there is no God and I'm just going to die and thats the end of my life etc... Wouldn't really matter.

It more to the fact, I have seen evidence to persuade me there is a God.
To some it wouldn't be believable but too others it is.

Your just sad discarding evidence because you don't like it, because you don't want to think the Prophet done good.

The burden on proof rests upon you not me. What evidence is there to suggest the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist? See you can't prove a negative. I highly doubt you have evidence least of all for a personal God. As for me discarding evidence it show me a non Islamic source that Mohammed was offered money?

[Rational Thinker]

(Original post by Study)
Quite funny how you can't seem to get the meaning of the quote.

What meaning would that me?

[Converse Rocker]

(Original post by Study)
What evidence is there to say there isn't a God?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoso..._of_the_burden

[Truthman]

(Original post by Pious_Intellectual;3851318 0)
Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) reported that it was the view of the Tabieen (second generation of Islam) that the earth is indeed spherical. The evidence for this is clear in the Qur'an.

Notice that taymiyyah says this is the few of the early muslims instead of the koran. If it was the koran the verses would be known and quoted.


The tafsir al jalalayn by imam al suyuti:

And the earth, how it was laid out flat?, and thus infer from this the power of God, exalted be He, and His Oneness? The commencing with the [mention of] camels is because they are closer in contact with it [the earth] than any other [animal]. As for His words sutihat, ‘laid out flat’, this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the [revealed] Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay’a) have it, even if this [latter] does not contradict any of the pillars of the Law. http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMad...0&LanguageId=2


Here is a muslim are correcting the muslims who try to dismiss imam al suyuti in preference of ibn taymiyyah:

Imam Suyuti is more "authentic" than Ibn Taymiyya.... so this line of yours:

"WHo would you more trust ? One of the most famous islamic scholars Ibn taymiyya, or some early quran commentator, what i;m trying to say , if one muslim high learned scholar confirms with proof that verse 88:20 doesn't talk about flat earth, then we can reject the wrong opinion of the early quran commentator you quote."

is completely non-sequiter.

Imam Suyuti is not "some" early commentator. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/arch...hp/t-9724.html

The koranic earth is flat

[Study]

(Original post by Rational Thinker)
What meaning would that me?

Go research it. And what situation it was given in.

[Study]

(Original post by Truthman)
Notice that taymiyyah says this is the few of the early muslims instead of the koran. If it was the koran the verses would be known and quoted.


The tafsir al jalalayn by imam al suyuti:

And the earth, how it was laid out flat?, and thus infer from this the power of God, exalted be He, and His Oneness? The commencing with the [mention of] camels is because they are closer in contact with it [the earth] than any other [animal]. As for His words sutihat, ‘laid out flat’, this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the [revealed] Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay’a) have it, even if this [latter] does not contradict any of the pillars of the Law. http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMad...0&LanguageId=2


Here is a muslim are correcting the muslims who try to dismiss imam al suyuti in preference of ibn taymiyyah:

Imam Suyuti is more "authentic" than Ibn Taymiyya.... so this line of yours:

"WHo would you more trust ? One of the most famous islamic scholars Ibn taymiyya, or some early quran commentator, what i;m trying to say , if one muslim high learned scholar confirms with proof that verse 88:20 doesn't talk about flat earth, then we can reject the wrong opinion of the early quran commentator you quote."

is completely non-sequiter.

Imam Suyuti is not "some" early commentator. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/arch...hp/t-9724.html

The koranic earth is flat

Qur'an says earth shape is like an egg. But I haven't seen any flat eggs yet in my life.

[PandyAndy]

(Original post by Study)
Qur'an says earth shape is like an egg. But I haven't seen any flat eggs yet in my life.

Depends on how you look at it. Some interpretations say it's shaped like an ostrich egg, others say that it's referring to the flattened ground on which the ostrich lays its egg. Either way, it's incorrect.

[Truthman]

(Original post by Study)
Qur'an says earth shape is like an egg. But I haven't seen any flat eggs yet in my life.

And I havent seen where the koran says the earth is egg shaped.

Let's now take the word mentioned to mean egg of an ostrich, "Duhiya". This word is not a root. It is a noun and is derived from "da-ha-wa", the same root that the verb "dahaha" comes from. Furthermore, Duhiya does not even mean the egg of an ostrich. This is what the most respected dictionaries have to say on this subject:

[edit]Lisan Al Arab
الأُدْحِيُّ و الإدْحِيُّ و الأُدْحِيَّة و الإدْحِيَّة و الأُدْحُوّة مَبِيض النعام في الرمل , وزنه أُفْعُول من ذلك , لأَن النعامة تَدْحُوه برِجْلها ثم تَبِيض فيه وليس للنعام عُشٌّ . و مَدْحَى النعام : موضع بيضها , و أُدْحِيُّها موضعها الذي تُفَرِّخ فيه .ِ
Translation: Al-udhy, Al-idhy, Al-udhiyya, Al-idhiyya, Al-udhuwwa:The place in sand where an ostrich lays its egg. That's because the ostrich spreads out the earth with its feet then lays its eggs there, an ostrich doesn't have a nest.


Lisān al-ʿArab
The Lisān al-ʿArab (لسان العرب, "The Arab Tongue") was completed by Ibn Manzur in 1290. Occupying 20 printed book volumes (in the most frequently cited edition) it is among the best-known and most comprehensive dictionaries of the Arabic language

Lane's Lexicon
also, said of an ostrich, (S, TA,) he expanded, and made wide, (TA,) with his foot, or leg, the place where he was about to deposit his eggs
The place of the laying of eggs, (S, K,) and of the hatching thereof, (S,) , of the ostrich, (S. K. ) in the sand; (K; ) because that bird expands it, and makes it wide, with its foot, or leg; for the ostrich has no (nest such as is termed) Ush (S: ) pl. Adahin (TA in the present art.) and Adahee (i. e., if not a mistranscription, Adahiyyu agreeably with the sing.): (TA in art. dhaha and mudhhiyya (likewise) signifies the place of the eggs of the ostrich.
Note above that Lane also translates dahaha to mean the place in the sand where the ostrich lays its eggs, and not the eggs themselves.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Flat_Earth_and_the_Qur'an

[Komatic]

(Original post by Politricks)
It's not a supernatural belief, the expansion of the universe is observable through science.

You said that the universe is expanding into something, what do you believe it is expanding into?

Only the expansion of the universe's expansion is not observable through science. We know that the universe is expanding. Yet we don't know what it is expanding into. There likely hood is that we will never know.

I believe that aliens exist, since the odds are in that favor. Yet I still believe in God. Humans are naturally stupid.

[mariachi]

(Original post by Komatic)
Humans are naturally stupid.

true, in some cases

this is something that, by your posts, you have managed to prove beyond any reasonable doubt

[Komatic]

(Original post by mariachi)
true, in some cases

this is something that, by your posts, you have managed to prove beyond any reasonable doubt

You all have something in common in this thread. You're all from the atheist society and it seems apparent that it's your only society. Also I was referring to the stupidity of human nature, not in the sense like I dropped the sugar on the floor you retard.

GTFO this thread noob.

[mariachi]

(Original post by Komatic)
You all have something in common in this thread. You're all from the atheist society and it seems apparent that it's your only society. Also I was referring to the stupidity of human nature, not in the sense like I dropped the sugar on the floor you retard.

GTFO this thread noob.

thank you for this interesting, thoughtful comment, and all the best to you, too

[mariachi]

(Original post by Komatic)
Only the expansion of the universe's expansion is not observable through science.

hmmm... what if the expansion is contracting, or the contraction is expanding? would that be more observable than the expansion's expansion, or the contraction's contraction ?


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