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    (Original post by CurlyBen)
    Absolute rubbish.

    (Original post by Gjaykay)
    Thats a load of crap.

    (Original post by funsongfactory)
    Seriously?! What planet are you on??

    Rich does not necessarily indicate low moral standards. Poor does not necessarily indicate strong principles. Bill Gates gives billions to charity. Benefits cheats rob this country of billions. Just saying.

    Also most rich people tend to be conservative, not liberal.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...have-selfishly

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...hers-find.html
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    Forget wealth:

    "An enormously wealthy merchant may be - often is - at every moment of his life at the mercy of things that are not under his control. If the wind blows an extra point or so, or the weather suddenly changes, or some trivial thing happens, his ship may go down, his speculations may go wrong, and he finds himself a poor man, with his social position quite gone. Now, nothing should be able to harm a man except himself. Nothing should be able to rob a man at all. What a man really has, is what is in him. What is outside of him should be a matter of no importance."
    Oscar Wilde
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    (Original post by SleepySheep)
    Birth. If you're born rich, it's very unlikely that you'll die poor. If you're born poor it's very unlikely that you'll die rich (and don't say Alan Sugar! Alan Sugar! He's one guy who made it compared to thousands and thousands who were born rich). In our society we are told that everyone can make it and get rich and be successful- but seriously, look at the facts. The rich stay rich and the poor are generally screwed over. That's the way society works.
    So your telling me if a poor kid studies hard, gets good GCSE's goes to a good college gets 3 - 4 A/A*'s in relevant and useful subjects and goes onto to study at oxbridge/lse/imperial college he wont die rich?
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    Well according to Robert Kiyosaki poor people are poor because of 'Poor Dad' and rich people are rich because of 'Rich Dad'
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    It's down to circumstance.
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    (Original post by Huz)
    I've generally always had one basic observation - ambition/lack of ambition.

    (Original post by MTR_10)
    In most cases;

    Rich = liberal with low moral standards. Driven by self interest.

    Poor = Integrity, honesty and strong principles. Ethics and spiritual guidance.

    Not always true though.
    Both very narrow-minded posts.
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    The guardian is the left-wing rag equivalent to the daily mail.

    You are essentially using one study to call an entire socio-economic group ********s. Sounds to me like you have a chip on your shoulder the size of China!...
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    I think you're wrong on that one, not entirely, but wrong none the less. I come from a working class background, and i'm at Notts studying physics, And the 'rents just told me "to do what makes me happy", i think richer people tend to appreciate education on the whole more than poorer people, meaning richer people get better jobs...



    (Original post by Kerrias)
    Whilst it may be true that people raised in poor families are more likely to have a lack of ambition, I think we need to question why that is. Personally I put it down to a lack of support, lack of equal opportunities and a lack of good role models.
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    (Original post by Huz)
    I don't believe so. Although I understand their may be social or mental problems with that individual.
    Some people often have confidence/personal issues which deters them from finding work
    Well it depends how much money you constitute as rich and poor.

    Considering that there are people born into rich and poor families there is obviously more reasons to consider.

    I know rich people with mental health problems who have to maintain a certain standard and will even live beyond their means because people might look down on them and they hardly have ambition because they married someone rich or grew up in a rich family.

    And there are poor people who happen to grow up with their parents debt and obviously want to do something in their life to become "rich" and work their way up even though it might take longer than someone who's rich and gets a helping hand from family. Doesn't mean they lack any type of ambition.

    Hypothetical situation, 1 twin from a rich family that their parents are paying for their tuition fees and works to pay for socialising paying attention to their uni work and the 2nd twin from a poor family parents are on low wage not relying on benefits, can't afford to pay for 2nd twins tuition fees so 2nd twin has to work to pay for their own tuition which doesn't leave time to socialise and pay attention to their uni work like 1st twin that doesn't have to worry about that. Does that mean twin 2 is less ambitious than twin 1 no just it will take a bit more longer to get there.

    It depends on individual situations you can't generalise people into black and white boxes.
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    (Original post by Huz)
    EDIT: Please no posts about inherited wealth or children born into rich families. that is not what I am asking.
    There is no point in having any discussion about this with you then, as whether or not someone is born into a well off family has an awful lot to do with the opportunities they are presented with in comparison to someone who is born into poverty.
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    (Original post by Kerrias)
    Whilst it may be true that people raised in poor families are more likely to have a lack of ambition, I think we need to question why that is. Personally I put it down to a lack of support, lack of equal opportunities and a lack of good role models.
    I honestly thought it'd be quite the opposite.
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    What is rich? are we talking millions or a comfortable life being able to own a house, afford a few holidays and cars

    You have different levels of opportunities, education, the personal development of a person. Everyone has ambition but ambition is different for everyone some people just want a nice easy life earning a good wage and a family, others want to be millionaires. Opportunities and education are not equal in this country and not everyone has that business like mind.
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    (Original post by T-Toe)
    I honestly thought it'd be quite the opposite.
    I don't mean this in a cheeky way but I don't understand. Can you explain?
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    (Original post by MTR_10)
    In most cases;

    Rich = liberal with low moral standards. Driven by self interest.

    Poor = Integrity, honesty and strong principles. Ethics and spiritual guidance.

    Not always true though.
    :lolwut:
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    (Original post by funsongfactory)
    This isn't bloody Africa, no one is really 'poor' in this country. If people want to be rich and they aren't then yes, they're gonna need to work harder than someone who's already rich, but they're not gonna get anywhere by just constantly complaining how unfair everything is, rather than actually doing something about their situation.
    I was homeless as a child, so yes I was poor. Saying 'this isn't bloody Africa' is incredibly ignorant firstly because not everyone in Africa is poor (there are millionaires in Africa you know, as well as universities, airports, shopping centres. Not everyone lives in a mudhut in the bush), and secondly yes there are poor people in this country. There is a different scale of poverty in this country to Africa and while the very poorest in this country are nowhere near as poor as the very poorest in Africa, this doesn't mean they should just get dismissed. The system is biased towards those who already have money so, yes, it is incredibly difficult to become rich if you are born poor.
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    Because of the way people manage their time, interests and pursuits. It's all down to mentality. The very thing people hate to hear but it is pretty much true.

    People become successful because they use their time wisely, that is it. And I'm talking.. what you devote your time to, those actions and inactions are all a part of the piece for the position an individual is in at this very moment.

    Like said above, if wealth was to be distributed across the world; in a very short time it would be back to the way it was today ~ simply because of the actions of people. What you do with your time and money determines where you end up; how you react to certain stimuli also plays a part. People just love to make excuses ~ "oh the government did this or that, not everybody can become the next Bill Gates." - yeah, you're right. But you can certainly make a mark and get out of the 'rat race' if you really wish to.
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    (Original post by G56)
    So your telling me if a poor kid studies hard, gets good GCSE's goes to a good college gets 3 - 4 A/A*'s in relevant and useful subjects and goes onto to study at oxbridge/lse/imperial college he wont die rich?
    I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was very unlikely.
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    (Original post by Huz)
    EDIT: Please no posts about inherited wealth or children born into rich families. that is not what I am asking.
    Then what are you asking? Because it sure isn't the question posted at the top of this thread.
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    (Original post by Huz)
    Opportunities? we are not living in Zimbabwe or Bulgaria. Make your own opportunity.

    Alan Sugar came from an underprivileged family living on a council estate. there are plenty of opportunities out there -
    I agree, and in fact my dad grew up on a farm very close to the Zimbabwe border. Didn't stop him saving up, moving to the UK at 23 with nothing but my mother, and together making a life here (including a lot of money).
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    (Original post by Huz)
    EDIT: Please no posts about inherited wealth or children born into rich families. that is not what I am asking.
    Lmao OP is a moron
    If anything birth is the absolute greatest factor
    Social mobility in the UK is the pretty much the lowest in the developed world, practically zero :yy:

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