[Huz]

not when it threatens the entire culture and creed into absolution. not when it's forced. or forces them to submit to everybody Else's demands to an inferior, undesirable status which would result in the biggest crisis in their history. subsequently taking their own destiny out of their hands and enforcing militant radical change on Greece. nobody has the right to tell them how they should be, or should exist. When the end result is always at their complete expense.

[Akkuz]

Pretty stupid poll. There are more dimensions to this than just immigration lol..

Infact I think a lot of people would want to immigrate to Turkey. Strong emerging economy, quite westernised, nice weather, good wages/healthcare.

[Huz]

(Original post by mmmpie)
Actually, it is about Greece. The situation with Greece and Cyprus is the main barrier to Turkey joining the EU, so it's quite relevant.

I don't believe migration within the EU is a bad thing, I don't anticipate a large volume of Turkish migrants coming to the UK anyway, and I think Turkey would be a major asset to the EU if it were to be a member. Hence, I am in favour of Turkey joining the EU. Simples.

we were talking about the effect on Britain?

[Huz]

(Original post by Akkuz)
Pretty stupid poll. There are more dimensions to this than just immigration lol..

Infact I think a lot of people would want to immigrate to Turkey. Strong emerging economy, quite westernised, nice weather, good wages/healthcare.

Everybody calling my poll stupid yet is commenting and voting on this post.

you obviously voted yes on my poll as well so don't call it stupid.

[mmmpie]

(Original post by Huz)
we were talking about the effect on Britain?

I don't anticipate any major effect on the UK. For a start, most immigration from Turkey to the western part of the EU is likely to be to Germany - they already have a large Turkish population.

[Sharpshooter]

Yes.

We've always been a nation of immigrants and we shouldn't restrict that.

[AntisthenesDogger]

(Original post by Clessus)
And? There are Ottoman mosques in Bosnia, Serbia and other parts of the Balkans, does that mean that it is "Turkish"? There are Roman ruins in Britain, does that mean that Britain is "Italian"? We're living in the twenty-first century, not Antiquity. Cyprus is an island of all its inhabitants, not just the Greeks.



If they had been there for centuries, then yes absolutely. In fact, Britain has been invaded many times, and has assimilated many cultures when it before had a "specific culture, ethnic background, architecture, law and housing that was Anglo" and most Brits are decended from these invaders.




Glad to see you acknowledge that . Likewise I acknowledge that while Turkey had every right to intervene in 1974 to prevent Greek fascists from annexing the island, they had no right to ethnically cleanse 1/3 of it and set up a ridiculous statelet.



The Turks were fully justified in fighting the Greeks in 1919 to prevent Greek expansionism and aggression. Although this is irrelevent to Cyprus, let's face it, the ethnic cleansing and atrocities which occured during the Greco-Turkic war were hardly restricted to one side.

I'm not basing rights of occupation on who built the most stuff, but rather where the origins come from. If the Turkish people had originated from Bosnia, and first laid the foundations to which shape it's state now. Then yes I'd be for Turkey having vassalage rights of it, why should it's ancestors not benefit from the boon of those who helped found another area. And the Turkish people do originate from the Russian Lowlands around the Caspian sea, so I'd be all for them having rights to re-settle there. Most of the Ottoman sites in Eastern Europe are built on the destroyed foundations of what they conquered.

And that's just wrong. England has been invaded many times yes, but it has never had such a prolific ethnic background or culture as it did following 1066 till the Hundred years war and further on.

In the Iron age they inhabitants were a loose conglomeration of Iberian tribes and Gauls, they were subjugated by the Romans yes, and progressively from then until the Saxon invasion their culture and ethnic origination had dissipated and adopted to Anglo-Saxon. For the next 400 years it stayed the same under continual assault of the Viking era, and then when William the Bastard conquered England, eventually the Norman influence died out through successive monarchs. There has not been a ethnic throwback or culture switch in almost one thousand and 500 years. So your point holds no real significance.

And yeah, I hope they can resolve the issue, in a one state solution, similar to how Britain formulated it's independence. Give the Turkic minority a larger amount of vote effect but also stop the blind nationalism. Everyone knows Turkey was just begging for a chance to invade Cyprus.

[RyanT]

Mother of god, please no no no no!

Ukraine and Belarus and Russia all need to be reformed and integrated into the EU before we even think about non-Europeans. Turks are as European as I'm a middle aged black African woman.

We already have a customs union and an alliance via NATO. That is more than enough.

[punkski]

(Original post by Risserd)
no, too many crazy muslims then allowed to travel to The West.

i know Turkey quite well, and it's not really a religious country..?

[RyanT]

(Original post by Sharpshooter)
Yes.

We've always been a nation of immigrants and we shouldn't restrict that.

Er, no we haven't. You do realise that all the invasions into the UK since the Romans were by the same ethnic groups as the British belong to?

If Austrians invaded Germany, does Germany suddenly become a nation of immigrants?

No.

The fact we have to go back 2,000 years to find the first non-germanic invasion of England sums it up (by England I am of course referring to angloland of the anglo-saxons, you know those people who were living in England before the Romans arrived)

[Clessus]

(Original post by AntisthenesDogger)
I'm not basing rights of occupation on who built the most stuff, but rather where the origins come from. If the Turkish people had originated from Bosnia, and first laid the foundations to which shape it's state now. Then yes I'd be for Turkey having vassalage rights of it, why should it's ancestors not benefit from the boon of those who helped found another area. And the Turkish people do originate from the Russian Lowlands around the Caspian sea, so I'd be all for them having rights to re-settle there. Most of the Ottoman sites in Eastern Europe are built on the destroyed foundations of what they conquered.

That's just silly. I suppose everyone should just re-settle in Africa then. Should the Irish re-settle in Portugal? Should Americans go back to Europe, Africa and Asia? Again, we are dealing with population today, not 3,000 years ago. Most acheologists agree that the Greeks originated from roughly modern day Syria/Iraq. Should they all re-settle there? Of course not. Many of the Greek sites across the world have been built on the destroyed foundations of what they conquered, e.g in Egypt and Persia, likewise, many of the sites in Britain have been built on the destroyed foundations of those who had been there before, e.g the city of London.

And that's just wrong. England has been invaded many times yes, but it has never had such a prolific ethnic background or culture as it did following 1066 till the Hundred years war and further on.

I'm not going to argue over whether or not before the Normans the Britons had a "culture" that is suficciently advanced enough for your liking, the point is that modern day Britain, along with almost every European country, is decended from many invaders, the nationalist myth that they (or any ethnic group including the Greeks), can be traced back in unbroken continuity to the "natives" of the land in which they live is frankly silly.

And yeah, I hope they can resolve the issue, in a one state solution, similar to how Britain formulated it's independence. Give the Turkic minority a larger amount of vote effect but also stop the blind nationalism.

I agree with you there, although the blind nationalism had to stop on both sides.

Everyone knows Turkey was just begging for a chance to invade Cyprus.

And likewise, everyone knows that Greece was just begging for a chance to annex Cyprus.

[cool pilot dude]

(Original post by Huz)
Jean Maurice Ripert, head of the EU delegation to Turkey, said on Wednesday that they would see Turkey joining the Union soon.

Visiting Turkey's eastern Van city, Ripert said that they were willing to see Turkey within the EU, adding that there were positive developments regarding Turkey's EU membership process.

When we look at the investments which were made in Turkey, we see that 80 percent was made by the EU countries, said Ripert, adding that also many Turkish students, teachers and academicians were using EU's supports.

The EU transferred 850 million Euro to Turkey this year for the country's adjustment with the Union, said Ripert, adding that the EU initiated visa dialogue with Turkey.

Ripert added that Turkey made 50 percent of its commerce with the EU countries.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/13...e-eu-soon.html

Is this a good move or bad considering the lack of jobs, housing at the moment?

Turkeys population is estimated at 70 million.

Turkish people are geographically in Europe and are considered Europeans....

Secondly, Turkish people have already been givren alot of rights to come here...

Thirdly, if people in the EU can go and holiday in Turkey, then they shouldn't talk bad about them.

Fourthly, Im not a Turkish national or Turkish by descent

[Huz]

(Original post by RyanT)
Er, no we haven't. You do realise that all the invasions into the UK since the Romans were by the same ethnic groups as the British belong to?

If Austrians invaded Germany, does Germany suddenly become a nation of immigrants?

No.

The fact we have to go back 2,000 years to find the first non-germanic invasion of England sums it up (by England I am of course referring to angloland of the anglo-saxons, you know those people who were living in England before the Romans arrived)

I get what you're saying. I also do not believe why people think that either.

If a nation invades another people try to claim that nation is now completely foreign. How can invaders mate with every single woman on the island lol

I think it's a myth.

[Huz]

(Original post by cool pilot dude)
Turkish people are geographically in Europe and are considered Europeans....

Secondly, Turkish people have already been givren alot of rights to come here...

Thirdly, if people in the EU can go and holiday in Turkey, then they shouldn't talk bad about them.

Fourthly, Im not a Turkish national or Turkish by descent

Not is is not. Is mainly in Asia.

[mmmpie]

(Original post by RyanT)
Er, no we haven't. You do realise that all the invasions into the UK since the Romans were by the same ethnic groups as the British belong to?

If Austrians invaded Germany, does Germany suddenly become a nation of immigrants?

No.

The fact we have to go back 2,000 years to find the first non-germanic invasion of England sums it up (by England I am of course referring to angloland of the anglo-saxons, you know those people who were living in England before the Romans arrived)

Does the fact that they were racially similar to the people they invaded mean that the Normans, or the Saxons, or the Vikings for that matter didn't in fact move from A to B? That's called migration, and it doesn't actually have that much to do with ethnicity.

[Huz]

(Original post by cool pilot dude)
Turkish people are geographically in Europe and are considered Europeans....

Secondly, Turkish people have already been givren alot of rights to come here...

Thirdly, if people in the EU can go and holiday in Turkey, then they shouldn't talk bad about them.

Fourthly, Im not a Turkish national or Turkish by descent

i wonder if you would want them in you beloved panthean nation.

[TheSurgeon345]

(Original post by Risserd)
no, too many crazy muslims then allowed to travel to The West.

The vast majority of Turks are Muslims but Turkey itself is a secular country. Also, Westerners always go to Turkey. Also, your comment is either a troll or you are seriously delusional and/or brainwashed.

[waliur]

Anyone down for Bar Street tonight

[Huz]

(Original post by TheSurgeon345)
Your an idiot. Turkey is a secular country. Also, Westerners always go to Turkey.

'a recent poll conducted by Istanbul's Bahcesehir University suggested that 48 per cent of respondents would not want Christians as neighbours, more than half wouldn't want Jews; four-fifths didn't want homosexuals.'

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...n-6429437.html

[Tahooper]

Would Turkey adopt the Euro as their currency?