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1. Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
Hey guys I jut got my results, and o be Frank flopped big time

Got 3 Cs and a D....at the moment I'm on 15.8% (2nd year counts for 33.3%)....my final year counts for 67% and would it be possible to get a 2:1/how much would I need to average?

Thanks, I'm so down atm
2. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by LG1)
Hey guys I jut got my results, and o be Frank flopped big time

Got 3 Cs and a D....at the moment I'm on 15.8% (2nd year counts for 33.3%)....my final year counts for 67% and would it be possible to get a 2:1/how much would I need to average?

Thanks, I'm so down atm
If you got C's and D's you can't possibly be on 15%, if the grading is worked out in the normal way. A D starts at 40% and a C at 50%.
3. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by Norton1)
If you got C's and D's you can't possibly be on 15%, if the grading is worked out in the normal way. A D starts at 40% and a C at 50%.
Think he means 15.8% out of the 33% possible for Year 2.

If my dodgy maths are right (and they rarely are), then I think OP would need an average of 65.9% in the third year to achieve the necessary further 44.2% to hit the 2:1 level.

I won't take offence if anyone feels the need to criticise my calculations...
4. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by chalks)
Think he means 15.8% out of the 33% possible for Year 2.

If my dodgy maths are right (and they rarely are), then I think OP would need an average of 65.9% in the third year to achieve the necessary further 44.2% to hit the 2:1 level.

I won't take offence if anyone feels the need to criticise my calculations...
Seems likely that you're right, I'm obviously a bit dim.

He roughly needs to bring just over 50% up to 60%. I think you're right he'll need about an extra 5% on top of the 60's in 3rd year to push him over the line (double weighted obviously and would need the 60% so as not to be dragged down; it's like I'm showing you how good your maths was through my own dodginess)

OP I would suggest speaking to your lecturers and identifying exactly where you went wrong, also, be smart about courses and pick stuff you're going to do well in.
5. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by chalks)
Think he means 15.8% out of the 33% possible for Year 2.

If my dodgy maths are right (and they rarely are), then I think OP would need an average of 65.9% in the third year to achieve the necessary further 44.2% to hit the 2:1 level.

I won't take offence if anyone feels the need to criticise my calculations...
PRSOM. That's what I got, as well.

That said, the OP is in a tough position--a third class in his second year (48% avg) suggests his modules are a mix of thirds and 2:iis. Even with a 2:i overall, getting a legal job could be tough with that sort of breakdown.

OP, is there anyone at your uni you can talk to about technique, strategy, and how to improve your results? For a lot of people low marks like that suggests your problem is with exam technique, not understanding the law per se.
6. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
Yeah that's what I thought, suppose it's doable...65 is not the end of the world I suppose (65% average throughout the whole year average right...as in following the end of exams and not in the 'you must get 65% in EVERY single CW piece and exam paper' sense (sorry this might sound all like stupid questions I know lol)...I mate got ABBB averaging 81% so I suppose I'll need to get some advice from her lol)

Although would this be 'lowered' (in terms of the 4 modules and the CW/exams) if I were to get a First (80%) in my dissertation (which is 50% of my degree)?

Thanks for the help guys
7. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by Norton1)
Seems likely that you're right, I'm obviously a bit dim.

He roughly needs to bring just over 50% up to 60%. I think you're right he'll need about an extra 5% on top of the 60's in 3rd year to push him over the line (double weighted obviously and would need the 60% so as not to be dragged down; it's like I'm showing you how good your maths was through my own dodginess)

OP I would suggest speaking to your lecturers and identifying exactly where you went wrong, also, be smart about courses and pick stuff you're going to do well in.
My logic was:

- 60/100 needed for a 2:1
- 15.8% secured so far, out of a possible 33.3%.
- 66.7% still up for grabs.
- 44.2% needed to hit the 2:1 threshold
- calculation is, therefore, 44.2/66.7. Comes to 66% for third year.

I think.
8. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by chalks)
My logic was:

- 60/100 needed for a 2:1
- 15.8% secured so far, out of a possible 33.3%.
- 66.7% still up for grabs.
- 44.2% needed to hit the 2:1 threshold
- calculation is, therefore, 44.2/66.7. Comes to 66% for third year.

I think.
God above don't ask me, I said 15.8 was just OVER half of 33! Know what would have been helpful? Individual module percentages!
9. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by LG1)
Yeah that's what I thought, suppose it's doable...65 is not the end of the world I suppose (65% average throughout the whole year average right...as in following the end of exams and not in the 'you must get 65% in EVERY single CW piece and exam paper' sense (sorry this might sound all like stupid questions I know lol)...I mate got ABBB averaging 81% so I suppose I'll need to get some advice from her lol)

Although would this be 'lowered' (in terms of the 4 modules and the CW/exams) if I were to get a First (80%) in my dissertation (which is 50% of my degree)?

Thanks for the help guys
I thought the threshold for a first at most institutions was 70%?
10. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
I haven't got individual module results yet...transcript is posted nxt week.

(Original post by jjarvis)
PRSOM. That's what I got, as well.

That said, the OP is in a tough position--a third class in his second year (48% avg) suggests his modules are a mix of thirds and 2:iis. Even with a 2:i overall, getting a legal job could be tough with that sort of breakdown.

OP, is there anyone at your uni you can talk to about technique, strategy, and how to improve your results? For a lot of people low marks like that suggests your problem is with exam technique, not understanding the law per se.
Yeah I know, I'm planning to talk to my personal tutor/friends who did very well and get some advice.

My coursework technique was pitiful I think...should've dine better, and if I had, things would be better atm tbh but oh well, my fault, up to me to work hard now.
11. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by chalks)
I thought the threshold for a first at most institutions was 70%?
oops sorry my bad, yeah I meant 70%
12. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by LG1)
oops sorry my bad, yeah I meant 70%
So, how does the split of marks work out? I thought you'd said it was a third for second year and two thirds for your final year?

Is your dissertation half of the third year marks (i.e. a third of the total degree), or half of the whole of your degree (in which case your split must be 33.3% for second year, 50% for dissertation and 16.7% for third year exams)?
13. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by chalks)
So, how does the split of marks work out? I thought you'd said it was a third for second year and two thirds for your final year?

Is your dissertation half of the third year marks (i.e. a third of the total degree), or half of the whole of your degree (in which case your split must be 33.3% for second year, 50% for dissertation and 16.7% for third year exams)?
Yh mate, 50% of WHOLE degree...by which case I'm thinking if I could get a First in my disso (maybe 75/80odd%), it would severely dent my average needed and perhaps make thinks a little easier (or I may just of completely off track)
14. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by LG1)
Yh mate, 50% of WHOLE degree...by which case I'm thinking if I could get a First in my disso (maybe 75/80odd%), it would severely dent my average needed and perhaps make thinks a little easier (or I may just of completely off track)
Okaaaay, so third year isn't worth 67% after all?

If it's:

First year: 0%
Second year: 33.3%
Third year: 16.7%
Dissertation: 50%

Then, scoring 70% in the dissertation would leave you needing an average of just over 55% in your third year exams to get you to the 2:1 threshold (15.8% marks from 2nd year, 35% from dissertation and 9.2% from third year exams).

Seems odd though that your third year exams have such a small percentage impact on your degree.
15. Speak to your tutor and double check the classification regulations. At my institution and various others where I am external examiner, degrees are calculated in one of two ways and whatever benefits the student most is awarded. At my university for example if a student would get a higher classification by looking at the final year average rather than the 30:70 2nd/3rd year rating that is what the student gets. I'd also double check the weighting of that dissertation if I were you as it is unusual for a dissertation to be worth more than a third, ie 30 credits, of a final year mark. What university is it by the way?

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16. Re: Is it still possible to get a 2:1??
(Original post by LG1)
Yh mate, 50% of WHOLE degree...by which case I'm thinking if I could get a First in my disso (maybe 75/80odd%), it would severely dent my average needed and perhaps make thinks a little easier (or I may just of completely off track)
If your coursework is sitting on the 2:ii/third boundary, it might be a bit ambitious to be aiming for a 75 in your dissertation--75 is an *exceptionally* high mark.

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