[ChocolatePearl]

(Original post by Kosmos)
But not as many rights as men, just because you have a lot of rights doesn't mean it's justifiable. For example, slaves had "a lot of rights" but that doesn't justify being a slave. And you've proved it "Islam doesn't allow us to parade around streets wearing clothes which is technically showing EVERYTHING!", surely it should be down to the woman to decide what she wants to do, it doesn't affect anyone, I'm sure men are allowed to do it. Why shouldn't women be treated exactly the same as men?

Just wondering... Are you opposed to the ''Burka ban''?

[Kosmos]

(Original post by ChocolatePearl)
Just wondering... Are you opposed to the ''Burka ban''?

Of course not, even though I don't think Islam is for women's rights, it's still the right of women to wear the Burka.

[ChocolatePearl]

(Original post by Kosmos)
Of course not, even though I don't think Islam is for women's rights, it's still the right of women to wear the Burka.

I disagree, but that's another argument for another day.


Just a random quote about the position of a woman in islam.

"When she is a daughter, she opens a door at jannah (Paradise) for her father.
When she is a wife, she completes half of the deen (religion/way of life) of her husband.
When she is a mother, jannah (paradise) lies under her feet.
If everyone knew the true status of a Muslim woman, even the men would want to be women."

[Algorithm69]

(Original post by notsure)
NO! it's not horrible on women's rights! im a women and follow islam and it actually shows a lot of respect to women and gives us many rights! Just because islam doesn't allow us to parade around streets wearing clothes which is technically showing EVERYTHING! doesn't mean its bad on women's rights! People think women's rights is just about being able to do this and that without thinking about the negatives of it!

Not being a loser or having a meaningless rant, some-people just stereotype islam because of what they see on tv or social media! its only bloody propaganda for goodness sake!

So you freely admit that Islam bestows fewer rights on women than the West?

[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by doggyfizzel)
Its a stupid and primitive set of laws.

Looking to somewhere like Saudi who's laws are based around classic sharia law.

Crime in Saudi is on the rise particularly amongst the youth. It has a history of corruption at all levels. Domestic abuse is high. Crime is only as issue if you are committing it and poor.

Fornication, lol, that's why there are all the filthy curb crawling peados in Saudi, thats why all the rich Saudi's are out in Western clubs. There is plenty of fornication, they just prefer to keep the women locked up.

Education across the Muslim world is far superior to here, no wait, only if you are rich, which in most cases means educated in the West or in private schools by Westerners.

Unemployment in Saudi is higher than here. There is a huge level of unemployment and stable jobs across many Arab states.

Don't how you figure the last one, seeing as the practising of other religions is banned in most of those countries. Sharia law and liberalism aren't really a mix.

It would be terrible.

Lets stop pretending that Saudi Arabia doesn't have harsher punishments (for the perpetrator) than Britain when it comes to domestic abuse..

(Original post by TheHistoryStudent)
Laws based around keeping the bearded man in the sky happy don't have much place or even relevance in secular societies. By all means practice your religion, and even go to Sharia courts to settle religious matters if that's what both parties want, but by no means use it so that it applies to everyone, even non-Muslims. Who are you, or any Muslim, Christian, Jew etc, to say that you have the one system in the universe which keeps a being for which there is no evidence for happy? And what right does that give you to impose it on the rest of us? It's just incredibly arrogant.

Seem to know a lot about Islam.. Who said Allah (swt) is a man? Let alone a bearded man?

[Kosmos]

(Original post by ChocolatePearl)
I disagree, but that's another argument for another day.


Just a random quote about the position of a woman in islam.

"When she is a daughter, she opens a door at jannah (Paradise) for her father.
When she is a wife, she completes half of the deen (religion/way of life) of her husband.
When she is a mother, jannah (paradise) lies under her feet.
If everyone knew the true status of a Muslim woman, even the men would want to be women."

Of course you wouldn't agree with me, otherwise you wouldn't be a Muslim would you?

Just because there are some trivial verses in the Qu'ran about women doesn't mean that there are verses that give less rights to women than men. These verses are clearly used to tie women to the religion otherwise you wouldn't stay in it.

[miser]

(Original post by frieza16)
If we analyze the good and bad points and debate about this subject:

Good:

There would be far less crime
There would be far less diseases because of the prohibition of fornication
Education standards would be excellent
Unemployment would be really low
The non muslims would be free to practice their religion and there would be more equality than now.

This is the benefits of shariah law if it was implemented correctly and not by these extremists who hate everybody.

I am not saying we should but what would Europe be like if it was.

I don't see how you can make these claims without much evidence on the subject. Would there really be far less crime? If we look at the places where Sharia law is implemented already, we can see that their crime figures aren't particularly stellar, and nor is their education or levels of sexual diseases. Do you really expect people to stop having sex by making it against the law? People will always have sex - that's something you can pretty much count on.

The most confusing claim you make though is that it would sort out unemployment - how on earth would it manage that?

[Kosmos]

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
Lets stop pretending that Saudi Arabia doesn't have harsher punishments (for the perpetrator) than Britain when it comes to domestic abuse..

That is true, Britain does cut off people's hands, kills apostates, puts people into prison for having open sex, punishes people for kissing in public, doesn't allow women to drive, doesn't allow the wife to walk in front of the husband, doesn't allow Christians to turn Muslims to their religion or you'll be punished heavily, homosexuality leads to death, death penalty is public beheading, imprisonment for alcohol, most saudi women have to cover their face...

[TheHistoryStudent]

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
Lets stop pretending that Saudi Arabia doesn't have harsher punishments (for the perpetrator) than Britain when it comes to domestic abuse..



Seem to know a lot about Islam.. Who said Allah (swt) is a man? Let alone a bearded man?

I wasn't actually referring to Islam alone to be honest in my original post, and was in fact referring to all religious laws which people have tried to introduce on account of it being how God would want us to live/living in accordance with the laws of God, of which Sharia is just one example. By all means have Sharia courts for those that want to use them, but don't impose it on the rest of us, especially those who don't even follow Islam in the first place.

And the bearded man thing is just a light-hearted way of portraying God to me , I see no reason to show deference/respect to something I don't believe exists... I could refer to him as an 8 legged cow if I wanted...but most people probably wouldn't get that analogy of God...

[doggyfizzel]

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
Lets stop pretending that Saudi Arabia doesn't have harsher punishments (for the perpetrator) than Britain when it comes to domestic abuse..

The law means nothing if it isn't enforced, which is exactly the case in Saudi. Domestic abuse goes unnoticed because the vast majority of victims don't have the same legal standing in society, children, women and foreign workers. They may have harsher punishments, not really relevant if you aren't punished.

[ChocolatePearl]

(Original post by Kosmos)
Of course you wouldn't agree with me, otherwise you wouldn't be a Muslim would you?

Just because there are some trivial verses in the Qu'ran about women doesn't mean that there are verses that give less rights to women than men. These verses are clearly used to tie women to the religion otherwise you wouldn't stay in it.

That was not a quote from the Qu'ran lol your derailing the thread. PM me about the lesser rights of women have in islam (be specific)? (Quote from Qu'ran not from shady other scriptures)

[ChocolatePearl]

(Original post by TheHistoryStudent)
I wasn't actually referring to Islam alone to be honest in my original post, and was in fact referring to all religious laws which people have tried to introduce on account of it being how God would want us to live/living in accordance with the laws of God, of which Sharia is just one example. By all means have Sharia courts for those that want to use them, but don't impose it on the rest of us, especially those who don't even follow Islam in the first place.

And the bearded man thing is just a light-hearted way of portraying God to me , I see no reason to show deference/respect to something I don't believe exists... I could refer to him as an 8 legged cow if I wanted...but most people probably wouldn't get that analogy of God...

Sharia law, especially in the UK would be an option for Muslims. There is no compulsion in Islam and if you aren't a muslim and as Sharia law does not supersede British law you largely won't be affected. (Unless the EDL & BNP dunces decide to rally against it)

Keeping that in mind, would you be for or against Sharia law courts being implemented in the UK?

[Kosmos]

(Original post by ChocolatePearl)
That was not a quote from the Qu'ran lol your derailing the thread. PM me about the lesser rights of women have in islam (be specific)? (Quote from Qu'ran not from shady other scriptures)

Well there you go, I will PM you about the lesser rights of course, shady scripture includes the hadiths right? But why would you quote from the hadiths if you know that they're shady?

[Inverse]

If people want shariah law, they should just go back to where it exists, that ****ing simple.

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my HTC One X

[TheHistoryStudent]

(Original post by ChocolatePearl)
Sharia law, especially in the UK would be an option for Muslims. There is no compulsion in Islam and if you aren't a muslim and as Sharia law does not supersede British law you largely won't be affected. (Unless the EDL & BNP dunces decide to rally against it)

Keeping that in mind, would you be for or against Sharia law courts being implemented in the UK?

I believe they already are in Britain for Muslims that want to use them, and that's perfectly acceptable to me, because if they want to use them that's fine, doesn't affect me, so why should I care? The reason I said what i said in the quote was because the impression (rightly or wrongly) I got from the OP was that the thread was about the good and bad points of implementing Sharia for everybody in a given country, and why that would be a good thing (without actually mentioning any of the bad things...). In particular I got this impression from this line:- "The non muslims would be free to practice their religion and there would be more equality than now." as it gives me the impression that Sharia would replace the current law, aside from this point I fail to see how any of the points mentioned in the OP could be achieved if Sharia were not implemented as a replacement for current law (assuming it tallies up with the OPs interpretation of it, which I don't think it does, because it seems too good to be true... although admittedly I know very little about Sharia past the cliché of a thief having their hand cut off...).

[Astronomical]

Name one single reason that we should have any other courts in Britain but for those used to enforce British Law.

Bazinga! It's a trick question; there are none.

[wwelol]

(Original post by Gofre)
A horrific thing.

if ure sister or mum was rapped in BRITIISH LAW THE GUILY GETS 10YEARS (out in half)

in SHARIA LAW THE GUILTY GETS LASHES AND POSSIBLE DEATH PENALTY

so dont write wrong facts - and do ure ****ing hwk on sharia law and how aspects or all is needed in british law

unemployment would be low b/c there would be no corruption such as banking scandals that caused the recession

[wwelol]

(Original post by Inverse)
If people want shariah law, they should just go back to where it exists, that ****ing simple.

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my HTC One X

oh yh thats easy isiny it - if i had the money i would buy a lamborghani

not so easy is it

[Love4All]

(Original post by Gofre)
A horrific thing.

Shariah law doesn't punish non-muslims - are you stupid or something.

[Gofre]

(Original post by wwelol)
if ure sister or mum was rapped in BRITIISH LAW THE GUILY GETS 10YEARS (out in half)

in SHARIA LAW THE GUILTY GETS LASHES AND POSSIBLE DEATH PENALTY

so dont write wrong facts - and do ure ****ing hwk on sharia law and how aspects or all is needed in british law

unemployment would be low b/c there would be no corruption such as banking scandals that caused the recession

Yes, I'm well aware that rapists are to be punished very violently under Shariah. However can you please tell me what would happen to the following people under Shariah:
-An openly homosexual couple
-A muslim apostate
-A homeless child who shoplifts a blanket during the winter