[TheProdigy2k9]

(Original post by Flash7)
I've met a lot of Muslims who are doing the same.

Threads not about Muslims so your post is pretty stupid.
People really love us that much seeing as they can't stop talking about us

[viriol]

(Original post by Converse Rocker)
So it's alright not to wait so long as you say sorry?

What she said was as long as you are sorry. (not that I agree)

[Converse Rocker]

(Original post by viriol)
What she said was as long as you are sorry. (not that I agree)

Well she said 'God forgives if they ask' so I was referring to the asking part mostly. But I take your point, I may have misinterpreted it

[Christianlady]

(Original post by Converse Rocker)
So it's alright not to wait so long as you say sorry?

It's not alright to not wait, no. However, God does not automatically zap with lightning those who do what is not "alright."

2 Peter 3:8-9 says,

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. "

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+3&version=NIV

God does forgive those who repent. He's not a mean ole dictator out to destroy anybody who disobeys His will. He loves people and wants them to be ok, hence His commands to people, including His guidelines concerning sex.

The Tanakh also talks about God forgiving the repentant (those who turn from their sins).

Ezekiel 18
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...Ezekiel18.html

"21 But if the wicked turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

22 None of his transgressions that he hath committed shall be remembered against him; for his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the L-rd GOD; and not rather that he should return from his ways, and live?"

[jmj]

(Original post by Christianlady)
Agreed.

And there are many Christians who struggle with sexual temptation... sex outside God's plan seems to be one of the most tempting temptations out there... temporary sexual gratification is powerful.

However, even if Christians do not wait till marriage, God forgives if they ask and helps people be strong to not fall into temptations' traps again. It does take asking God for help though! Life is a journey with many pitfalls. Thank God for His Amazing Grace that reaches to save those who fall into them!

Wisdom dictates avoiding pitfalls... hopefully before falling into one.

Peace and God bless you

Completely agree- and the truth is every Christian will fall in this particular area anyway, because Jesus said that simply to look at someone with lust is to commit adultery in their heart- and although sexual sin may have worse consequences than other sins, it doesn't make God's rescue in Jesus any less powerful and it doesn't mean you're therefore out of reach of grace because of that particular sin.
Thank you for your helpful comments

[jmj]

(Original post by Converse Rocker)
So it's alright not to wait so long as you say sorry?

No, sin is never okay- but God is powerful to forgive anything and everything we ask Him for because God sent His son Jesus to take the punishment for all our sin (rebellion against God) on the cross.

Repentance has a big element of being sorry/remorseful, but that isn't the heart of what to repent means- it more means completely changing direction or turning away. So we have to trust in God's rescue plan of Jesus on the cross and also to turn back from our rebellion against God and turn towards following Him instead. Of course, that doesn't mean we won't sin again as all Christians will make the same mistakes, but it's a deliberate decision to respond to what Jesus did on the cross by turning to follow Him rather than continuing in deliberate rebellion.

Hope that's helpful

[Christianlady]

(Original post by jmj)
Completely agree- and the truth is every Christian will fall in this particular area anyway, because Jesus said that simply to look at someone with lust is to commit adultery in their heart- and although sexual sin may have worse consequences than other sins, it doesn't make God's rescue in Jesus any less powerful and it doesn't mean you're therefore out of reach of grace because of that particular sin.
Thank you for your helpful comments

Very good points

Jesus knows how people think, and shows how what people think is important too. That is very important to remember. Thanks for bringing that up!

Thank you for your comments too.

[Hypocrism]

(Original post by Christianlady)
It's not alright to not wait, no.

What are the sources that claim Christians should wait for marriage?

(Nothing with the word "fornication" constitutes a source as it doesn't explicitly mean premarital sex in the original language)

[FSP]

(Original post by kashim91)
As a practising Muslim I second this. OP, please get a life, if your a Muslim, spend your time educating yourself about the deen, and the etiquettes of liaising with your brothers and sisters in Islam, as well as you're brothers and sisters in humanity. There is many forbidden things that Muslims aren't supposed to do yet they do it. Shaving is forbidden, but loads of Muslims shave and start fingerpointing at women who don't wear hijab. The vast majority of these people are deluded, please don't make yourself one of these people. In some Muslim country's alcohol and some other things that are forbidden in Islam are legal. Before you change the world, you should change yourself.

Why assume the OP is muslim ? I dont care what Christians do and dont do, irrelevant comment.
the vast majority of muslims do not engage in pre marital sex and 100% of them know its wrong and if something is forbidden in Islam but legal in a muslim country I see no contradiction.The only finger pointing is done by Friends and Family ie people to comment on everything anyway

You dont need the government to tell you whats halal and whats haraam. Perhaps its being sold for the non muslims or to avoid creation of a black market.

[BezChi]

No one has ever woke from the dead so all this your are posting is utter nonsense. Have you been there to back what you or the person that wrote the Quran or Bible is saying. People over exagerrate religion which ends up confusing the masses. You have never died before so why not refrain from desktop journalism and just pray your God without too many questions better else shut up if you don't know anything.


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[Odiem23]

(Original post by Carpediemxx)
Doesn't actually say anywhere in the bible that sex outside of marriage is wrong. Its just become an assumption that adultery = sex before marriage, when that is only a subjective ideal.

Actually, the Old Testament demonstrates that sex before marriage is wrong as it was against God's law for a woman to have had sexual intercourse before being married (whilst she was still 'in her father's house') - it was a disgrace. Also the penalty for being caught having sexual intercourse outside of marriage (even if you were not married) was death. So the Bible is clear in its teachings against sex before marriage - then its not a subjective ideal. Hope this is clears things up.

[Plushie]

There are loads of things in the bible that make no sense to people anymore, if you are a Christian I think it is more important to uphold the key principles like being kind to one another and such.

I also find it odd that people expect everyone who is religious to be perfect, to never make any mistakes, to follow every old rule to the letter; if you are non-religious, are you also perfect morally and have never made any mistakes?

Making a mistake doesn't make you a hypocrit, expecting religious people to behave perfectly while allowing yourself mistakes is more hypocritical in my view.

I'm not religious though so they entire thing doesn't effect me, really.

[sarahlabrosse]

In the original genisis, homosexuality and promiscuity with men from foreign villages is actually encouraged (ofcorse this wasn't translated into the genesis of the christian bible, but never the less its encouraged) so surley, even if the bible did say sex before marrige is wrong (or homosexuality is) these antagonistic views cancell each other out?

P.S - if ned flanders can do it - so can you!

[Hypocrism]

(Original post by Odiem23)
Actually, the Old Testament demonstrates that sex before marriage is wrong as it was against God's law for a woman to have had sexual intercourse before being married (whilst she was still 'in her father's house') - it was a disgrace. Also the penalty for being caught having sexual intercourse outside of marriage (even if you were not married) was death. So the Bible is clear in its teachings against sex before marriage - then its not a subjective ideal. Hope this is clears things up.

It's really not demonstrated in the Bible. Your source? How about the man who offers his unmarried daughter to be used for sex?

[mynameisntbobk]

(Original post by Really_Gonna_Rock_)
So Christians are not supposed to have sex before marriage, as that's forbidden in their religion .

That's not true, different branches of Christianity believe in different things. Liberal protestants would say that its fine as long as your in a committed relationship.

But I've met a lot of people who claim to be Christians who are having sex with their girlfriend or boyfriend, who they are not married to.

Like I said, different branches have different beliefs on the topic.

Where in the Bible does it say that having sex with your girlfriend or boyfriend is allowed? Look in the Bible. Nowhere does it say this is permitted.

It also doesn't say that its not allowed, it just says sex is suppose to be done for procreation only.

So Christians who have sex with their girlfriend or boyfriend are basically hypocrites and are committing a sin, according to their religion.

1.That doesn't make them a hypocrite.
2.Based on their different beliefs, a sin isn't necessarily being committed

Any Christians here who have sex with their gf or bf? How do you justify it to yourself, when your religion blatantly says not to have sex before marriage?

Like I said, different branches believe different things so why would they have to justify themselves?

There is way more to any religion it than seems so please research everything before you make these wild accusations / claims / assumption

[Odiem23]

(Original post by Hypocrism)
It's really not demonstrated in the Bible. Your source? How about the man who offers his unmarried daughter to be used for sex?

My source is the Bible! Read Deuteronomy chapter 22 verses 13 - 21. The man who offers his unmarried daughter to be used for sex is in Judges chapter 19. Not all actions in the Bible are sanctified by/the will of God. If you read the entire passage you will also see that it was done because the man believed that it was the better alternative to allowing them to rape a male guest that he had taken into his home. As 1 Corinthian chapter 10 says, many things written in the old testament are recordings of Israel's history - not instructions as to what to do but warnings.

[Hypocrism]

(Original post by Odiem23)
My source is the Bible! Read Deuteronomy chapter 22 verses 13 - 21. The man who offers his unmarried daughter to be used for sex is in Judges chapter 19. Not all actions in the Bible are sanctified by/the will of God. If you read the entire passage you will also see that it was done because the man believed that it was the better alternative to allowing them to rape a male guest that he had taken into his home. As 1 Corinthian chapter 10 says, many things written in the old testament are recordings of Israel's history - not instructions as to what to do but warnings.

You use a verse from Deuteronomy as evidence that the Bible is against premarital sex, and then you say the Old Testament is not instructions as to what to do! If that's what you claim, find me a verse from the New Testament against premarital sex.

[Odiem23]

(Original post by Hypocrism)
You use a verse from Deuteronomy as evidence that the Bible is against premarital sex, and then you say the Old Testament is not instructions as to what to do! If that's what you claim, find me a verse from the New Testament against premarital sex.

'Not all actions in the Bible..' is what I said. Not 'the Old Testament is not instructions as to what to do'. So I don't really understand the validity of your comment. There is a difference between recounting and instruction in the Old Testament - though both are present. This is very clear in the Bible - I think you need to read it carefully and with a willingness to understand - rather than merely a desire to challenge/argue - in order to truly understand what God's laws. The Old Testament commands (the Law) are all still valid today (Matthew 5:17)

[Hypocrism]

(Original post by Odiem23)
'Not all actions in the Bible..' is what I said. Not 'the Old Testament is not instructions as to what to do'. So I don't really understand the validity of your comment. There is a difference between recounting and instruction in the Old Testament - though both are present. This is very clear in the Bible - I think you need to read it carefully and with a willingness to understand - rather than merely a desire to challenge/argue - in order to truly understand what God's laws. The Old Testament commands (the Law) are all still valid today (Matthew 5:17)

Are you sure you've read it carefully?

In the same verse, Deuteronomy 22, you are commanded not to mix gender clothing. Hence any woman wearing a suit is "detested" by god. Anybody wearing mixed clothing is sinning. Anybody farming two types of grain in one field is sinning-that probably includes having two kinds of plant in your garden. 21 gives permission to marry more than one wife, instruction to kill a child who doesn't obey you by stoning, excludes certain races from heaven, claims poo is somehow unholy, allows you to steal grapes.

If you accept Deuteronomy 22 as reason for not having premarital sex, you should also obey the above commandments.

Otherwise, provide a reference which is not surrounded by stupidity!

[.eXe]

(Original post by Odiem23)
'Not all actions in the Bible..' is what I said. Not 'the Old Testament is not instructions as to what to do'. So I don't really understand the validity of your comment. There is a difference between recounting and instruction in the Old Testament - though both are present. This is very clear in the Bible - I think you need to read it carefully and with a willingness to understand - rather than merely a desire to challenge/argue - in order to truly understand what God's laws. The Old Testament commands (the Law) are all still valid today (Matthew 5:17)

Hey mate, just wanted to let you know that you've misinterpreted the Matthew verse. I am a Christian by the way so don't think I am trying to challenge you on it but the old testament laws are not valid anymore.

The verse you quoted said that Jesus came to "fulfill" the old law. Well that process has already been completed when Jesus came and died. It's not an on going process anymore...once something has been fulfilled...it's over.

So the old laws do not apply any longer. We still leave them in the Bible because they provide context for everything that happened in those days...but Christians follow Jesus, rather than the old law because those laws have been fulfilled already. Remember: there is no point in following a law that cannot redeem you from sin...only Jesus can...so even by that logic, the law is invalid today. It isn't abolished though..meaning we don't rip it out of the Bible and burn it and pretend it never existed...we just do not apply it in our lives today

Also, there is a verse in the new testament which clearly states that the old law does not apply any longer because it has been fulfilled. Just letting you know