[hannah60000]

(Original post by NutterFrutter)
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

George Bush in 2003.

There were no religious reasons at all...

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It's another one of these threads.

But like some Muslims or supposed Muslims they hid behind a religious belief to support their ideas or decisions Bush was just trying finish what his father could not, so it works the same for any religion.

The Anti-Islam attitude and attack is not from everyday Christians (mostly) but supposed Christian individuals, following and presenting their own agendas....

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Not a great example it's Bush after all

[prog2djent]

(Original post by King-Panther)
I dont think its islam vs christianity.

They do.

[King-Panther]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Sahih Muslim (17:4206) There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her
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essentially - A woman who became pregnant confesses to Muhammad that she is guilty of adultery. Mohammad allows her to have the child, then has her stoned
whe are you going to study your own religion so you are in position to comment on such subjects?

yes of course, she wanted to be punished, it was her request!

insha-allah god will forgive her for her sin as she has taken punishment on this earth.

[ForKicks]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Expand please.

It means we have Christian groups who do use violence. The reason this is not specifically directed towards Muslims is that they have no reason to! If Christian nations never got involved in wars in Islamic countries, there wouldn't be this conflict. So in a nutshell, because we have never had Islamic armed forces in our country. If N.Ireland has troops from Afghanistan turn up tomorrow, you can bet the UVF would find new targets.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by King-Panther)
De Lacy O’Leary

because armies are in their countries, robbing their wealth and killing they're women and children.

would you like to back that claim up?

I prefer http://answering-islam.org/Authors/A...n/crusades.htm

I full well know the reasons why Al-Qaeda and various anti-western Terrorist groups exist, as I have argued their reasons vs pro-army, pro-military and pro-intervention people many times before. It is true that they against occupation of their lands, Holy Sites, as primary reasons, then the relationship with Israel as secondary, killing Muslims (civilian and otherwise) thridly, and then faith, the fact they are Christians (despite the fact imperialist forced aren't acting upon faith) lastly, have you not read the Al-Qaeda mission statement?

King-Panther. I assume you are a Muslim. How the doodle else am I suppose to back it up. You act as an apologist for anti-liberal muslim actions all the time and I correlate that with your avatar

Edit: Using phrases like "insha-allah" (unless you are being ironic) seems like a credible source.

Alhamdulillah eh?

[prog2djent]

(Original post by ForKicks)
It means we have Christian groups who do use violence. The reason this is not specifically directed towards Muslims is that they have no reason to! If Christian nations never got involved in wars in Islamic countries, there wouldn't be this conflict. So in a nutshell, because we have never had Islamic armed forces in our country. If N.Ireland has troops from Afghanistan turn up tomorrow, you can bet the UVF would find new targets.

Our forces aren't doing what they are doing beacuse they are acting upon their assumed Christian Faith, they are pawns in a game of wealth, control, energy and power of rich secularists.

If I were the user *Martyn I'd say Freemasons and Atheist-zionist-ethnic Jews but I'm not him so ... haha

And I really hate it that we are though of as Christian nations by Muslims, arabs, and in islamic nations. We aren't, most people are agnostic/non-religious/secular/skeptic/atheist/anti-theists. Doesn't the almost completely seperation of Church-and-state suggest so?

[ForKicks]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Our forces aren't doing what they are doing beacuse they are acting upon their assumed Christian Faith, they are pawns in a game of wealth, control, energy and power of rich secularists.

If I were the user *Martyn I'd say Freemasons and Atheist-zionist-ethnic Jews but I'm not him so ... haha

And I really hate it that we are though of as Christian nations by Muslims, arabs, and in islamic nations. We aren't, most people are agnostic/non-religious/secular/skeptic/atheist/anti-theists. Doesn't the almost completely seperation of Church-and-state suggest so?

That's true, but then the whole Sectarian thing is about Northern Ireland being British rather than Irish. The religion aspect appears to be added on, even if the initial grievance isn't religious.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by King-Panther)
yes of course, she wanted to be punished, it was her request!

insha-allah god will forgive her for her sin as she has taken punishment on this earth.

yes of of course, im sure she was eager for be buried in the ground to her chest and stoned to death by the order of mohammed so her child could grow up without a mother - logic of muslims

or perhaps she was hoping mohammed would act intelligently and reasonabley?

And i wouldnt call what you raised before as a debate, it was more me explaining your own religon to you because you didnt seem to have any clue. Not the best use of my time.

[getfunky!]

(Original post by Tom_Sg)
Muslims did the same thing, did you forget about Constantinople?

Saying that the modern war in Iraq was for the religion ....

Have you not read about Blackwater?

Or the recent leaked information of where the US Military were providing 'anti-islam' classes?

[Greenlaner]

(Original post by kaypc)
the bible says DO NOT KILL

Thou shalt not kill except for heretics, heathens, witches, pagans, homosexuals, fornicators, people who work on sunday, satanists, atheists, disobedient children, muslims and generally anyone who isnt a judeo-christian.

Nobody ever reads the small print.

[JCC-MGS]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Terrorism and Mujahid groups have the specific aim of harming Non-Muslims, government officials or civilians alike, remind me where combat 18 has actually caused death on such a large scale?

Again, Breviki, one lone, isolated example, Mujahideen groups, Salafist Jihadists … exist in pretty much any North Asian (*insertstan), Middle eastern, Arabian, and North African Nation. Comparing Combat 18 and Breivik to Al-Shabaab, the Taliban, Al-qaeda, Al-Qaeda in the arabian peninsular (covering tens of countries), Lashkar-e-Taliban, Islamic Courts unions, Mahdi Army, Fatah, Hamas, Hezbollah, Sudan National Congress, Janjaweed, these guys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Uzbekistan, tens of groups spanning the globe, Haqqini Network, , Emirate of Waziristan, Turkestan and Uzbekistan Islamic Movements. The fact you bring up Nigeria, a country where every week we hear about a church being blown up or a Christian village being being up/scorched … is ridiculous.

The question was whether it existed, not whether it was of the same scale. Nice rant tho geezer, sounds like you've been having a banging Friday night

[King-Panther]

(Original post by prog2djent)
I prefer http://answering-islam.org/Authors/A...n/crusades.htm

An anti-islamic website as a credible source, really? care to find a non biased source?

I full well know the reasons why Al-Qaeda and various anti-western Terrorist groups exist

Al qaeda do not exist, they are an invention of the US government, that is a fact stated on the BBC documentary "power of nightmares".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk

as I have argued their reasons vs pro-army, pro-military and pro-intervention people many times before. It is true that they against occupation of their lands, Holy Sites, as primary reasons, then the relationship with Israel as secondary, killing Muslims (civilian and otherwise) thridly, and then faith, the fact they are Christians (despite the fact imperialist forced aren't acting upon faith) lastly, have you not read the Al-Qaeda mission statement?

See above

King-Panther. I assume you are a Muslim. How the doodle else am I suppose to back it up. You act as an apologist for anti-liberal muslim actions all the time and I correlate that with your avatar

care to elaborate?

Edit: Using phrases like "insha-allah" (unless you are being ironic) seems like a credible source.

Alhamdulillah eh?

what are you on about?

[King-Panther]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
yes of of course, im sure she was eager for be buried in the ground to her chest and stoned to death by the order of mohammed so her child could grow up without a mother - logic of muslims

She knew what the punishment was, she obviously was remorseful and wanted to be punished, you are the one who posted the hadith. clearly you are unable to read, just a copy and paste kind of guy, the logic of the islamaphobes

or perhaps she was hoping mohammed would act intelligently and reasonabley?

well, i think you should reread the hadith, she persistently sought after punishment because she knows it is beter to be punished here than the hereafter.

And i wouldnt call what you raised before as a debate, it was more me explaining your own religon to you because you didnt seem to have any clue. Not the best use of my time.

indeed, as you clearly have a life, posting on a student forum full of young teenagers at the age of 26...

I study classics a level (ancient history) and my lecturer (oxford graduate) and I were discussing how different people have similar traditions, for instance romulus and remus. he stated that due to our common heritage (middle easterners and europeans), thus our common language (latin being semitic) is how these traditions can be found in many places and this does not nullify the traditions although some have transgressed from their original form.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by King-Panther)
She knew what the punishment was, she obviously was remorseful and wanted to be punished, you are the one who posted the hadith. clearly you are unable to read, just a copy and paste kind of guy, the logic of the islamaphobes



well, i think you should reread the hadith, she persistently sought after punishment because she knows it is beter to be punished here than the hereafter.



indeed, as you clearly have a life, posting on a student forum full of young teenagers at the age of 26...

I study classics a level (ancient history) and my lecturer (oxford graduate) and I were discussing how different people have similar traditions, for instance romulus and remus. he stated that due to our common heritage (middle easterners and europeans), thus our common language (latin being semitic) is how these traditions can be found in many places and this does not nullify the traditions although some have transgressed from their original form.

obviously , you need to read your own hadiths at least once, seeong you are calling yourself muslim. This woman asked mohammed to 'purify her' becuase she was brainwashed by him. His idea of 'purifying her' was to bury her up to her chest and order his followers to hurl rocks at her head till she was dead thereby orphaning her newborn child. Ingenius.

and shows up your hypocritical critism of christians view of adultery no? You may need to understand too that students of all ages can express opinion, even kids doing their gcses or whatever.

And I think you and your oxford educated teacher need to sit down and brush up on your gcse revision- i dont see how fictional story of romulus and remus has anything to do with anything

[King-Panther]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
obviously , you need to read your own hadiths at least once, seeong you are calling yourself muslim. This woman asked mohammed to 'purify her' becuase she was brainwashed by him. His idea of 'purifying her' was to bury her up to her chest and order his followers to hurl rocks at her head till she was dead thereby orphaning her newborn child. Ingenius.

I know the hadith and I have read it, she wanted to be punished and she knew what the punishment was. capital punishment is there to act as a deterrent as it was in this country and was proven to lower crime.. Adultery causes divorce and the break up of families and cause mayhem in society and bastard children. her child was taken care of.

and shows up your hypocritical critism of christians view of adultery no? You may need to understand too that students of all ages can express opinion, even kids doing their gcses or whatever.

how so, would you like to elaborate? she hadn't been caught but she gave herself in, and sought after punishment but muhammed allowed her the raise her child to an age were he could almost be self reliant. when jesus heard of a woman committing adultery, he wanted to kill the bastard children. if he was to do that in this country, we would lose 90% of the population and only muslims would remain!

And I think you and your oxford educated teacher need to sit down and brush up on your gcse revision- i dont see how fictional story of romulus and remus has anything to do with anything

similar stories exist in europe and the middle east due to our common heritage and language (revolving around cyrus who is a real historical figure, not fiction), just because the tradition may have transgressed from the original, does not nullify it.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by King-Panther)

Al qaeda do not exist, they are an invention of the US government, that is a fact stated on the BBC documentary "power of nightmares".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk

?

Al-Qaeda are the logical result of US actions around the Islamic lands. The claim they are US invention is tin-foil hatism and you know it.

Let me guess, you deny tens of other terrorist groups exist as well?

The evidence is staked, tall, against you.

[Clessus]

Leaving aside silly referances to the crusades and the Westbro Baptist chuch, I can think of a few examples of Christian terrorism against Muslims in the last 20-30 years just out of hand;

1. The Phalange in Lebanon in the 1980s, who wanted to maintain minority rule and the sectarian constitution (though to be fair, there was fault on both sides).

2. In Bosnia (1992-1995) it was the Muslims who were fighting for a multi-ethnic society against fascist Christian aggressors, and were considerably better behaved than the Christian Serbs and Croats.

3. In Kosova (1912-1999), the Christian Serbs attempted to ethnically cleanse the mainly Muslim Albanian population from the region.

This is not to mention crimes committed by governments, such as Russian policy in Chechnya. I would have plenty more examples for the 19-20th centuries as well.

[King-Panther]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Al-Qaeda are the logical result of US actions around the Islamic lands. The claim they are US invention is tin-foil hatism and you know it.

No, watch the documentary, it was on the BBC, al qeada are made up, they do NOT exist, and are a creation of the US government!

Let me guess, you deny tens of other terrorist groups exist as well?

The taliban are real but are they terrorists, depends on who you ask.

The evidence is staked, tall, against you.

well no its not, at all, its the other way around.

[Jack22031994]

(Original post by King-Panther)
No, watch the documentary, it was on the BBC, al qeada are made up, they do NOT exist, and are a creation of the US government!



The taliban are real but are they terrorists, depends on who you ask.



well no its not, at all, its the other way around.

"Al Qaeda are made up"
that's the funniest thing I'll read today!


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[Steevee]

(Original post by Inzamam99)
In the name of what religion does the Lord's Resistance Army fight?

Were the Irgun or Lehi committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam or another religion?

I know these questions are difficult for someone who can only parrot "Islam'z bad" but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the answers

There are dozens of other examples which you can look up yourself. Why must people on TSR insist on making a fool out of themselves?

Because the LRA is certainly a Christian movement at it's heart, we'll disregard the obvious ethinc and tribal aspects, and the fact it's also been linked to Islamic Militias and extremism. I'll give you that they say they're Christian, but I think you'll find the unique difference is, they say they're Christian, and do whatever they want. Islamic terrorist groups say they're Islamic, do what they want, and then justify it through Islam. So yes, I suppose you could call the likes of the LRA a Christian terrorist group, though they are more obviously a partisan militia.

And I'm pretty sure I didn't say that Muslims were the only terrorists ever What I said was at this time there are no onteable Christian terror groups acting in the same way as Islamic Terror groups.

But as usual, you will attempt to appeal to ridicule because it seems to be all you can do from that high, backwards horse.