[danny111]

(Original post by rad_student)
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I appreciate this is a sensitive case, BUT given how little these are used it seems awfully like a "get out of jail free card".

You could just as easily coerce a very drunk girl into signing it as you could into having sex with her in the first place.

If she seems too drunk, then guess what, she probably is. If you need a consent form in order to cover yourself maybe, just maybe, you should try to sleep with less drunk girls.

[Daniel_R]

There isnt? you should know the difference between a drunk girl and a wasted girl....

[effofex]

(Original post by marcusfox)
Or she could have been desperate for sex with a younger guy and was willing to jump through whatever hoops you placed in her way to get it.

Seriously, as you have found, most girls won't find that a turn on...

Actually - she is the only woman who I have asked to sign one. I had only met her for 2 hours in person before we engaged in the act of sex. If you have only physically been in someone's presence for 2 hours, how can you expect to trust them? - hence why a consent form that is signed by both participants is quite handy. Obviously if the two people have been in each other's presence for say, over a year then it may not be so necessary because there is implicit trust between them.

Think of it like a job contract - if a prospetive employee refuses to sign a contract then the employer will ordinarily not employ that person (even if he/she verbally expresses a keen interest in working for them). Likewise, even if a man or woman verbally expresses a desire to engage in sexual intercourse - unless this is substantiated formally by signing a contract then the verbal consent is quite meaningless in a legal sense.

[effofex]

(Original post by danny111)
Sex Consent Form?

Sorry, but that just screams rape.

I'd say it screams safety.

[effofex]

(Original post by danny111)
I appreciate this is a sensitive case, BUT given how little these are used it seems awfully like a "get out of jail free card".

You could just as easily coerce a very drunk girl into signing it as you could into having sex with her in the first place.

If she seems too drunk, then guess what, she probably is. If you need a consent form in order to cover yourself maybe, just maybe, you should try to sleep with less drunk girls.

If you film the act of signing the form using a mobile phone then you can prove that the person with whom you intend to have sex with is not seriously intoxicated. That way it would show whether undue coercion had been used by one party against the other. Also, supposing the person is severely intoxicated, the chances are that they will not be able to write their signature within the boundaries of the box on the form.

[rad_student]

(Original post by danny111)
I appreciate this is a sensitive case, BUT given how little these are used it seems awfully like a "get out of jail free card".

You could just as easily coerce a very drunk girl into signing it as you could into having sex with her in the first place.

If she seems too drunk, then guess what, she probably is. If you need a consent form in order to cover yourself maybe, just maybe, you should try to sleep with less drunk girls.

Ahh, picture shows what you mean?

What's Switzerland like for FRA, compared to Austria, is there an = of Leo Lehrbaum (head of vice police) saying >75% of rape allegations are false? Do Austrian women & Swiss women have the same mentality? Asking as your "Location: Switzerland." If both M&F are equally drunk, is it only the man that gets charged or what in Switz?
For safety (unless u think it can't happen to u or women don't change their mind, nor manipulative in comparison to men): make sure you get confirmatory texts, be seen in public happy the next morning, have her put on the condom & remove with only her prints.

If I lived in Austria I'd be saying similar punishment for convicted FRA (not same as falsely accusing someone of murder is not the same as murder) & if women don't care about FRA then why should I care about rape (BTW I'm not this jaded)?

(In the bigger picture, it is to do with money (funding) & if more rapes reported than domestic grievances industries can maintain status quo. That may be a reason why so few cases are convicted & of course these industries use biased/incorrect stats like & not minus FRA convictions, etc. If the rape of boys/men provided as much funding, what do you think will happen?
My first post was debunking rape stats.)

[Scumbaggio]

consent form? serious LOLZ.

Would Clayton McDonald/Ched Evans be happy for me to do the same thing to his sister or mum or daughter or grandma or auntie whoever?

[Arekkusu]

Small factoid: in Japan, being drunk was once an accepted defence for causing a car accident! It's not the same thing when it comes to rape, mind you, because the idea is that a drunk driver is the one engaging in an action which could endanger others, it's fairly clear that with rape it's the rapist engaging in that action instead.

Sleeping with a drunk girl isn't rape. It's only going to be called rape if she can't give consent, which would mean she was passed out. This is why we have juries, because there's no way of arbitrarily saying how drunk someone has to be before they're capable of giving consent. There's no objective measure of drunkenness, and we are still less able to say how it affects someone without looking at it on a case-by-case basis.

Go forth and sleep with drunk chicks, it doesn't make you a rapist.

[Uclan10]

It's not rape at all. it depends really.