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Afghanistan declared 'Major US ally'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18750732
The United States has given Afghanistan the status of "major non-Nato ally".

The designation, which includes countries such as Australia, Egypt and Israel, gives preferential access to US arms exports and defence co-operation.

The announcement was made by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on an unannounced visit to Afghanistan.

It comes ahead of a major donors' conference in Japan, which is due to discuss aid to Kabul after most Nato-led troops leave the country in 2014.

Participants at Sunday's meeting in Tokyo are expected to commit almost $4bn (£2.6bn) in annual development assistance to Afghanistan.

The country's central bank says it needs more than $4bn in aid each year, on top of $4bn for security forces.

A senior British official described the task of raising that money at the Tokyo conference as an unprecedented challenge,

Afghanistan is seeking firm commitments, but donors at Tokyo's meeting are also seen as likely to demand guarantees from Kabul on good governance and transparency.
Pullout fears

Ms Clinton said after talks with President Hamid Karzai that awarding Afghanistan the new status was a "powerful symbol of our commitment to Afghanistan's future".
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image of David Loyn David Loyn BBC News, Kabul

By the time international combat operations end in 2014, the Afghan armed forces will mostly have US-designed rifles and Humvee all-terrain vehicles, as well as better armoured light combat vehicles, replacing Soviet-era equipment.

And Soviet-era T55 and T62 tanks are being replaced by the M60 Patton tank, used extensively by other US allies, such as Turkey, Israel and Egypt - not the bigger Leopard Tanks the Afghan government wanted.

Air support will continue to be provided by Russian-made helicopters, and the Nato fast jets that drop precision-guided bombs will not be replaced.

The cost of these forces, more than $4bn a year, will continue to be met by foreign donors for many years to come.

Questions remain about the ability of the new Afghan forces because of poor literacy, drug addiction and the continued threat of infiltration by the Taliban.

She added: "We are not even imagining abandoning Afghanistan."

The change, which comes into effect immediately, makes it easier for Kabul to purchase US military equipment and simplifies arms export procedures.

However, it will be many years before Afghanistan is in a position to buy weapons for itself, relying as it does on foreign support, the BBC's David Loyn in Kabul reports.

The last country to be granted major non-Nato ally status was Pakistan in 2004.

Nato leaders meeting in Chicago in May endorsed plans to hand over combat command to Afghan forces by mid-2013. After the full Nato withdrawal in 2014, only training units will remain.

At the Chicago meeting, US President Barack Obama issued a pledge that Washington would not abandon Afghanistan.

Earlier in May, Mr Obama and Mr Karzai signed a 10-year strategic partnership agreement outlining military and civil ties between the countries after 2014.

There are fears that the pullout could lead to Afghanistan sliding back into chaos, destroy its fragile economic recovery and reduce international donors' willingness to provide aid.

Taliban and other insurgents have stepped up attacks in recent months.



Now correct me if im wrong but last time they armed these people didnt it come back to bit them quite spectacularly on the ass ?:rolleyes:
Reply 1
the problem is that if they don't arm them with the best weapons then the Taliban will just roll back in and resume control and the whole war will have been a complete waste of time, lives, resources and money and the public would be revolting against the goverment. Yes there is a chance that it might come back to haunt us but there is far more chance of it coming back to haunt us if we abandon them.
Reply 2
If WW3 ever does kick off, I'm sure the American people will be thrilled that they've got a few poorly armed shepherds on their side.
Pretty obvious what is going on here. The procurement of military equipment from the US has been happening for sometime on this advanced scale. This announcement is not about that, its in preparation for the drawdown of combat operations. You only have to look at the other major US allies to see what most have in common. South Korea, Israel, Japan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Pakistan. All either have close military ties or are sites of US military bases or installations.

You only have to look at the amount of infrastructure in place at somewhere like Bastion to see how valuable that might be, look at somewhere like Bagram. Then look to Afghanistan and its position relative to Pakistan and Iran.

Being a major US ally has nothing to do with being a direct support partner, thats what they have the NATO allies for. Its primality about being willing to let the US keep a **** load of military equipment in your country. You don't have to be a military strategist to see the value of having a modern base from which you have the ability to stock pile a vast number of troops to be deployed and multiple fully functioning air bases from which military air craft can be deployed.
Reply 4
The US has been Afghanistan's Ally for years, back when they were good buddies with the Mujahid.
Original post by prog2djent
The US has been Afghanistan's Ally for years, back when they were good buddies with the Mujahid.


So that's why Mohammed Omar and his friends - good buddies of the U.S. according to you - refused to extradite Bin Laden to Washington when their good buddies - the U.S. - were attacked on 9/11! Good buddies my arse.
Original post by prog2djent
The US has been Afghanistan's Ally for years, back when they were good buddies with the Mujahid.


What a load of nonsense.
They need to keep the Afgani army strong and stable to prevent the taliban from slipping back into power on withdrawal. They don't seriously value them as a credible ally on the world stage. Its merely a tactical move for the whole operation.
"Major ally" euphemism for they are willing to buy a **** load of american made weaponry.
Reply 9
So the Mujahideen, and what became the Northern Alliance and Taliban, was not supported by the US with weapons, logistical tactics and CIA/Private contractor training?
Reply 10
Original post by Stalin
So that's why Mohammed Omar and his friends - good buddies of the U.S. according to you - refused to extradite Bin Laden to Washington when their good buddies - the U.S. - were attacked on 9/11! Good buddies my arse.


Lol, the US government don't care about 9/11 or terrorist attacks. They were, and are, the Perfect vice.
Original post by Foghorn Leghorn
"Major ally" euphemism for they are willing to buy a **** load of american made weaponry.


This. I find America to be using the exact same tactics that the British Empire used, as the population turned against the very idea of empire :s-smilie: :angry:
Original post by prog2djent
Lol, the US government don't care about 9/11 or terrorist attacks. They were, and are, the Perfect vice.


That wasn't my point. Read the post again.
Reply 13
Original post by Stalin
That wasn't my point. Read the post again.


Fine, buddies was the wrong word. But these people only exist(ed) because the US supported them with the fanatical opposition to the USSR. I don't see why the US was so anti-communism really, despite the fact they were a threat to (in the US eyes) stability in the middle east, they were essentially a competitor to the highest form of the US system, Imperialist Capitalism, compeition on a corporatist level is a central feature.

You should know it best Stalin, Lenin described it so.
Original post by prog2djent
Fine, buddies was the wrong word. But these people only exist(ed) because the US supported them with the fanatical opposition to the USSR. I don't see why the US was so anti-communism really, despite the fact they were a threat to (in the US eyes) stability in the middle east, they were essentially a competitor to the highest form of the US system, Imperialist Capitalism, compeition on a corporatist level is a central feature.

You should know it best Stalin, Lenin described it so.


The same fighters exist today without the sizeable funds their comrades received during the Afghan-Soviet war, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future due to their stranglehold upon Afghan society.

The U.S. wasn't necessarily anti-Communist, despite Capitalism and Communism opposing one another at both ends of the political spectrum, it was anti-competition, which was exactly what Moscow was to Washington at the end of the Second World War. And so when Brezhnev and his goons agreed to intervene in Afghanistan, the U.S., although a few years after the conflict was in full swing, decided to bleed the Soviets to death - or, as the Americans would have you call it, give them their Vietnam.
Original post by Algorithm69
A necessary step in order to ensure the Afghani government can protect and safeguard its citizens' newly acquired rights from Islamic terrorists.


Or is it a last throw of the dice in the hope that the entire NATO mission, which is built on rather unsafe foundations, namely four sand castles, won't crumble as soon as the Taliban resume their waves of terrorism?

Giving the Afghan military state of the art weaponry won't ensure the Afghans experience Western-style democracy, freedom, television, McDonald's and all that good stuff the Western world enjoys. I hate to say it but the 'war effort' has been a total shambles and will result in nothing less than what the Afghans experienced prior to the war: the government NATO decided to topple.
Original post by prog2djent
So the Mujahideen, and what became the Northern Alliance and Taliban, was not supported by the US with weapons, logistical tactics and CIA/Private contractor training?


It is a contentious point, it's very hard to prove, and if I were you I wouldn't use it in a debate, especially when one considers that the actions of a previous administration have no bearing on what the actions of a later administration should be (unless you oppose the British war against the slave-owners as invalid because at one point in the past the British Empire supported slaves?).
Original post by prog2djent
The US has been Afghanistan's Ally for years, back when they were good buddies with the Mujahid.


Oh dear.
I would term them more as frenemies.

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