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http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/201...nia-home-dies/

[BeanofJelly]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
of course, its not a pakistani issue where talking about here but an islamic one

Don't be so simple-minded. How can it not be related to Pakistan? As well as, ofc, religion (Islam), politics, culture, history...etc

There are always a million factors which affect the way that any particular group of humans behaves.

What can be said it that Pakistan (or large parts of it) is not a very safe or pleasant place to be atm, largely because of the struggles with political and religious instability, corruption and fanaticism. And there is no magic answer to solve that.

[Algorithm69]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Yes, the scripture is, but not in practice. Aside from the zionists (who aren't even ethnic OR religious Jews) and an extreme minority of the political orthodoxy. Jews are perhaps the most liberal, progressive and secular groups in the world, by default though, seen as most are concentrated into Europe and North America sea boards.

And yes you can be "half-jewish" since it come from a particular side of my family, I'm not religiously Jewish, nor ethnically, but, like the Irish, you can be an atheist, but you are still Catholic, and, like the English, you can be an atheist, but you are still a part of the Protestant COE.

umm...what?

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Algorithm69)
umm...what?

What?

[Algorithm69]

(Original post by prog2djent)
What?

How can an Irish atheist be a Catholic, and how can an English atheist be an Anglican? How can an ideology be passed on "from a particular side of the family"? How can you still be a Catholic or Anglican if you reject every belief and tenet of that religion?

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Algorithm69)
How can an Irish atheist be a Catholic, and how can an English atheist be an Anglican? How can an ideology be passed on "from a particular side of the family"? How can you still be a Catholic or Anglican if you reject every belief and tenet of that religion?

Its a classic identity Joke in the presence of those not from that group.

"I may not believe in God, but, just for job prospecs, I'm still a jew"

[Pesti]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Yes, the scripture is, but not in practice. Aside from the zionists (who aren't even ethnic OR religious Jews) and an extreme minority of the political orthodoxy. Jews are perhaps the most liberal, progressive and secular groups in the world, by default though, seen as most are concentrated into Europe and North America sea boards.

And yes you can be "half-jewish" since it come from a particular side of my family, I'm not religiously Jewish, nor ethnically, but, like the Irish, you can be an atheist, but you are still Catholic, and, like the English, you can be an atheist, but you are still a part of the Protestant COE.

Judaism is liberal? Hahahahahahaahahaha nice one.
I heard the other day that some Jews didn't allow some Christians to pick some crops up in Israel because they are not pure and are 'dirty' and they didn't want to eat things which are dirty.
I fail to see how Judaism is anywhere near 'liberal' when the only Jewish country is so corrupt, unfriendly and has taken part in so many wars and killed so many people.
Islam= Barbaric
Christianity= Barbaric
Judaism= Barbaric
It is a fact that atheist majority countries are more peaceful than your religious countries.

[Pesti]

(Original post by Rtcw)
So youre saying integrating is all about colours? And most whites reverts i met do not stop intergrating after while at all. Most are just carrying on their lives just as when they were non-muslim with haram elements out of it.

Somalis arent only African who is Muslim. For somalis its 50-50 as they have roughly two cultures they can follow - Arab or African culture along with Somali culture mixed in.

As for other African Muslims they usually integrate without any problems

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my GT-I9100

Yeah that's why the Muslims and Christians in Nigeria live SO peacefully, right? Oh wait...
As I was saying before the only significant African Muslim minority in Britain is the Somalian community and they've integrated very poorly and for some reason I highly doubt it would make a difference if that Somalian community was replaced by a Sudanese, Nigerian or any other Muslim African community. Non-Muslim Africans integrate a lot better than the Muslim ones, non-asian muslims also integrate a lot better than the muslim ones, so do the Arab non-Muslims. For some strange reason I think the 'muslim' thing may have a big part to play in that.

[killa78]

(Original post by Pesti)
I agree, it's Islam stopping a lot of Pakistanis integrating into the UK.

Integrating how exactly?

[f1mad]

(Original post by B-Man.)
'Advanced Western mind', yet doesn't even know how to use apostrophes.

You couldn't argue against what he wrote, instead, strove towards the grammar of the poster.

Priceless.

[C_G]

Swear to God, this forum is worse than Stormfront.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Pesti)
Judaism is liberal? Hahahahahahaahahaha nice one.
I heard the other day that some Jews didn't allow some Christians to pick some crops up in Israel because they are not pure and are 'dirty' and they didn't want to eat things which are dirty.
I fail to see how Judaism is anywhere near 'liberal' when the only Jewish country is so corrupt, unfriendly and has taken part in so many wars and killed so many people.
Islam= Barbaric
Christianity= Barbaric
Judaism= Barbaric
It is a fact that atheist majority countries are more peaceful than your religious countries.

I said jews, not Judasm, and I also made a distinction between Jews and Zionists and the ultra-orthodoxy, which you have ignored.

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by Pesti)
What's being Pakistani got to do with it? I'm ethnically Pakistani but i'm not part of that sick religion.

pakistani is a nationality NOT an ethnicity. Are you a punjabi, pataan etc?

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by killa78)
Integrating how exactly?

i think he/she means by nto sharing the values and beliefs of the average brit . . . then again, everyone has differing defintions of "integration"..

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by Pesti)
Yeah that's why the Muslims and Christians in Nigeria live SO peacefully, right? Oh wait...
As I was saying before the only significant African Muslim minority in Britain is the Somalian community and they've integrated very poorly and for some reason I highly doubt it would make a difference if that Somalian community was replaced by a Sudanese, Nigerian or any other Muslim African community. Non-Muslim Africans integrate a lot better than the Muslim ones, non-asian muslims also integrate a lot better than the muslim ones, so do the Arab non-Muslims. For some strange reason I think the 'muslim' thing may have a big part to play in that.

the islamic or muslim values oppose modern british social values so the "intergration" or "mixing" of the two peoples isn't going to be easy. . . . what do you expect? Muslims to drop their values and adopt modern british social values? Perhaps in 20-30 years, but even then it won't be enough for some people.

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by Algorithm69)
How can an Irish atheist be a Catholic, and how can an English atheist be an Anglican? How can an ideology be passed on "from a particular side of the family"? How can you still be a Catholic or Anglican if you reject every belief and tenet of that religion?

by being "culturally christian" or "culturally muslim" . . . . . my gf and her family follow islam more so "culturally" than in the ideological sense.

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by BeanofJelly)
Don't be so simple-minded. How can it not be related to Pakistan? As well as, ofc, religion (Islam), politics, culture, history...etc

There are always a million factors which affect the way that any particular group of humans behaves.

What can be said it that Pakistan (or large parts of it) is not a very safe or pleasant place to be atm, largely because of the struggles with political and religious instability, corruption and fanaticism. And there is no magic answer to solve that.

a big part of it would be for america and britain to stop giving millions in "aid" to pakistan and to deal with them as one of the nations involved in terrorism (something which I suspet will happen somewhere not so far down thel line)

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by Dhaal_Chawal)
This kind of thing probably wouldn't have happened 40 years ago. It is linked to the rise of Saudi financed Wahhabism in Pakistan.

Also, it was in Bahawalpur, not Islamabad. Also this isn't the second this week.

good point . . . isn't the majority of "fundamentalist" islam coming from this sect within islam?

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Yes, the scripture is, but not in practice. Aside from the zionists (who aren't even ethnic OR religious Jews) and an extreme minority of the political orthodoxy. Jews are perhaps the most liberal, progressive and secular groups in the world, by default though, seen as most are concentrated into Europe and North America sea boards.

And yes you can be "half-jewish" since it come from a particular side of my family, I'm not religiously Jewish, nor ethnically, but, like the Irish, you can be an atheist, but you are still Catholic, and, like the English, you can be an atheist, but you are still a part of the Protestant COE.

what about the jews in israel ? hardly liberal are they . . . . picking on those poor african immigrants . . . very liberal!

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by Pesti)
LMFAO!! Are you having a laugh? Arabs and other muslims do this sort of thing ALL THE TIME. It happens all over the muslim world, not just Pakistan. Don't you keep up with the news? And your claim that muslims of non-asian backgrounds integrate well- LMFAO! You're having a laugh right? In England the only real significant minority of muslim ethnic group is the South Asian one so that's why you see Pakistani ghettos and not arab ghettos, but when you travel to other countries in Europe (like France or Spain) the Arabs are basically what Pakistanis are in England (if not worse). There are Arab ghettos and they don't integrate at all, infact they ARE worse than what Pakistanis are in Britain. Haven't you ever been to those Europeon countries? In Spain people actually HATE Morocons and in France the Frnech hate Algerians.

yes you make a good point here . . . . in britain, muslims = pakistanis/asian ,
france - muslims = north africans
germany - muslims = turkish
australia - muslims = lebanese or 'lebs'