[Jack22031994]

(Original post by + polarity -)
What if I use Adblock Plus?

Dunno I don't take videos of YouTube anyway, buy I do know that is how YouTube makes it's money


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[dr-jimmy]

I don't even think there's anything wrong with downloading some things but obviously they have to fine you more than the price of the what you downloaded as a deterrent. If you were going to buy something, but then you see that if you download it illegally the fine would be the same price as the item, then most people would download it because they will likely get away with it, and if they didn't they wouldn't have lost anything.

[Schmucks]

(Original post by Devel)
I think downloading is linked to the rate of growth in the industry, but I dont think it is overall a negative one.

Sorry, stealing music is to the benefit of the industry? Don't talk pish.

[Palatial Veranda]

(Original post by Ex Death)
Nonsense. If these corporations went bust it would be a wonderful thing. You have to realise that these corporations do not produce the media, they merely distribute it. If they all went bust, we would have communities of grassroots media developers who would produce media for the love of doing so rather than for the money. This way, we would actually have far better quality media rather than the sell out trash which proliferates mainstream markets nowadays eg. 99% of mainstream music is complete trash, most hollywood movies are repetitive, formulaic trash etc.

Good stuff

+1

[jada897]

Spotify ftw otherwise i wouldnt be able to afford music

[Saada]

(Original post by silent ninja)
I couldn't care less if the music industry dies. We might finally see an end to this pop bull**** everywhere. So uncool.

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[The Patriot]

(Original post by Ex Death)
No because it is perfectly legal for me to publicly 'share' all of my DVDs if I want to. I can set up a stall in a public area and share my DVD collection there if I wish.

I'm pretty sure it's not actually legal for you to lend a DVD to someone else. You can let them watch it with you because its for personal use, but if I remember rightly you're not supposed to lend it out. I have a few DVDs where this is expressly written on the disc itself, and a few CDs for that matter.

[Profesh]

(Original post by metalthrashin'mad)
If you upload it as well then you are facilitating illegal downloading, aka stealing.

No.

Edit: copyright-infringement isn't tantamount to theft unless you construe every illegal download as a lost sale. I had hoped that the proponents of this fallacy might have acquired a rudimentary grasp of logic since the last such debate; apparently not.

[ThatGuyPsy]

(Original post by Schmucks)
Sorry, stealing music is to the benefit of the industry? Don't talk pish.

Don't be so closed-minded. I was unsure about a band in the past (Dream Theater) and downloaded one of the tracks for free. From there, I fell in love with them and went on to purchase everyone of their albums on CD as well as their live DVDs.

Now, please, tell me how that one instance of piracy this hasn't benefited the music industry?

That sort of thing is more common than you think.

[Rhadamanthus]

(Original post by Ex Death)
So if the law is corrupt, you will still follow it because 'the law says so'. It is easily mouldable people like you which allow the government to do whatever is in their interests. Well done. It is perfectly legal to share my belongings - oh except online because corporations will lose some potential money. It is not an offence to download, it is a civil dispute (which basically means that the justice system will favour the corporations).

Yes they legally are my belongings. If I buy a DVD, it is perfectly legal for me to hand it over to one of my friends. There is no special rule for online commodities. I don't need a license to share one of my belongings. This is just another example of our corrupt government eroding our civil liberties, preying on the ignorance of the masses and gullible people such as yourself wilfully handing over your consent.

Most moral philosophers would justify breaking the law if the law is oppressive, but that is just not the case. You are committing a logical fallacy when you refer to it as your belongings - you do not have full legal rights to them therefore they are not your full belongings. You cannot redefine words to suit your own criminal behaviour. One obviously does not need a contractual relation with a property owner in order to be a violator of his property. A thief is not bound by contract to respect the property of the owner of the automobile he is driving away in. He is bound by the law to do so, and will be punished for his violation. The role of the contract in intellectual property is precisely the reverse, it grants the right to the consumer to access the property of the producer, and thus makes their limited use of the information lawful.

[Schmucks]

(Original post by ThatGuyPsy)
Don't be so closed-minded. I was unsure about a band in the past (Dream Theater) and downloaded one of the tracks for free. From there, I fell in love with them and went on to purchase everyone of their albums on CD as well as their live DVDs.

Now, please, tell me how that one instance of piracy this hasn't benefited the music industry?

It's more common than you think.

So because that one incident alone makes you believe it outweighs those who download music illegally purely to avoid the costs?

My housemate will have downloaded around 15,000 songs as well as 1,000+ movies in the past illegally. So for one of him, there needs to be a few hundred/thousand of you to create an even mean. Not even to benefit the industry, to create an EVEN field. You think that happens? Really?

If there was such benefits to illegal downloads, they'd not have such high penalties or campaigns to act against it. It's not narrow-minded, it's just plain fact. It is detrimental to the industry as a whole. End of.

[The Patriot]

Few issues here really.

First off, how much money does the industry actually need to keep going and make a reasonable profit/ Some music is extortionately priced.

Secondly, I could quite happily see mainstream pop die, but I love my kind of music. The artists I like are fairly small time, so they definitely need people to buy their music, which is why I do.

Thirdly, It's not actually theft because you don't permanently deprive anyone of something. When you steal a persons car, they no longer have a car and you have it. If you download music, then the corporation, the artist, and the uploader still has the original product so they aren't "permanently deprived" of the property, only the money from the sale.

[pshewitt1]

(Original post by Stevo F)
You can't really be this stupid?
So you're saying if i walk into a shop, steal stuff worth £1000 and the police catch me later, my only punishment should be to give back the £1000? Oh dear

You get sued for the value of the product, the time and money it has taken to get evidence of the crime and for the possibility that you wouldn't get caught (which is huge for music theft)

yes but it's not stealing it's like me taking your car, and you still having your car, but I own the same model too... explain that one

[The Patriot]

(Original post by ThatGuyPsy)
Don't be so closed-minded. I was unsure about a band in the past (Dream Theater) and downloaded one of the tracks for free. From there, I fell in love with them and went on to purchase everyone of their albums on CD as well as their live DVDs.

Now, please, tell me how that one instance of piracy this hasn't benefited the music industry?

That sort of thing is more common than you think.

I do this ALL the time. Steal music, and if I like it, I buy it in the right way.

Unfortunately, I don't think most people can be trusted to do this.

This is the way I see it...


When you buy some clothes, you can try them on first or take them back if they don't fit. If you see a film at the cinema, you don't have to buy it. If you buy a car, you get a test drive. For some reason, apparently we are just supposed to buy music blindly which is completely unfair - there's no consumer rights.

Sure you can listen to what a friend says (which is stupid as musical tastes change and you never know what someone else will like), or you can even listen to it on youtube. But it's not the same. I want to be able to listen to music out and about, not sat on a chair in my living room. So I steal music, and if the artists impressed me, I will buy it. I've spent over £150 on CDs in the last month because it's that important to me, so it's only fair I have some protection.

[Ex Death]

(Original post by The Patriot)
I'm pretty sure it's not actually legal for you to lend a DVD to someone else. You can let them watch it with you because its for personal use, but if I remember rightly you're not supposed to lend it out. I have a few DVDs where this is expressly written on the disc itself, and a few CDs for that matter.

Well in that case we better do exactly as they say. If you find someone lending a DVD to their mates please report them asap to your local police station so that they can be strung up and shipped off to guantanamo. We should blindly remain subservient to the whims of the corporations and their buddies in government becuase, of course, this is conducive to moral justice.

[funsongfactory]

(Original post by Stevo F)
You can't really be this stupid?
So you're saying if i walk into a shop, steal stuff worth £1000 and the police catch me later, my only punishment should be to give back the £1000? Oh dear

This.

[funsongfactory]

(Original post by Profesh)
No.

Yes.

[metalthrashin'mad]

(Original post by Profesh)
No.

Artists should be paid for what they do. And so should the producer, so should the artwork designer. Even if you go and see them live, the latter two there won't benefit from that.

So many bands I listen to have had to quit the business because it cost them too much money to continue producing material, money which they would have if everyone who liked their music bought it rather than downloaded it.

Just because you aren't getting a physical product doesn't mean that you aren't stealing. And mp3s sound **** compared to CD's btw.

[Whitechapel]

But then in a similar way, if these movies/music were downloaded illegally that meant it was because the downloader would not have paid for these goods.

If they weren't going to pay for it legally, then surely the companies cannot be losing out on that much POTENTIAL profit when the potential isn't actually really there.

[adsm_inamorta]

ha yeah they lock you up for downloading music illegally. BUT did you know that selling CD's on eBay and in person is illegal? but nothing happens to you then! The world's gone to **** im afraid :/