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  1. cl_steele's Avatar
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    (Original post by jakemittle)
    Since other member states in the AL/AU have not shown any interest, we plead that Australia seek UN backing on the matter in order to legitimise its actions.
    Australia will happily seek UN backing on our current mission however regardless of the outcome we are here at the behest of the government of Mali and intend to help them as much as possible.

    We do utterly comdem Mauritanias actions though in utlizing saturation bombardment techniques on a civllian populated area. In no way is it ever acceptable to indiscriminately bombard a civillian town, we feel this should be brought before the UN as a potential war crime waiting to happen.
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
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    Australia will happily seek UN backing on our current mission however regardless of the outcome we are here at the behest of the government of Mali and intend to help them as much as possible.

    We do utterly comdem Mauritanias actions though in utlizing saturation bombardment techniques on a civllian populated area. In no way is it ever acceptable to indiscriminately bombard a civillian town, we feel this should be brought before the UN as a potential war crime waiting to happen.
    We are not bombing civilian towns or any towns for that matter, we are using artillery to hit anything that comes near the border. The border is now closed and the 24 hour notice has passed, thus this is not a bombardment it is precision artillery on spotted targets moving in the direction of the border.

    We have sent out a radio interrupting transmission to inform civilians to head South and to avoid coming toward the East Mauritania Mali border. Please get present factual information, because nothing Mauritania has stated has mentioned saturation bombardment of a civilian area.

    People have been warned and now know via a letter bombing not to come near the East border and are advised to flee to the South, because we will shortly be crossing over the border since Mali has welcomed all support in all forms and sizes.

    You would do well not to antagonize Mauritania that has a substantially larger force in the region than Australia, prodding at a bear with a stick is never a good idea. Mauritania will soon have you removed from the region anyway, so we can do the job you are incapable of because you do not know the lands, the people, the culture or who the enemy is and are going to embarrass yourself. We have collected intelligence for the past few months and have a fully fledged strategy we will soon be engaging with.

    We will deal with our own regional issues with Mali and the UN will mandate this and call for you to leave the region, due to the aggressive nature of your involvement impeding borders without permission and despatching troops immediately without looking at diplomatic channels or consulting Mauritania. You have been rude and broken protocol and thus you will be judged on the bad processes and misconduct you have exhibited, your sentiments may well be just but your involvement and method is damaging and worsening the situation forcing us to act to counteract the negative impact your forces have had on the local and regional population with clear disregard for borders and regional issues.

    I look forward to your prompt exit and removal of rights to be in the region by UN decision in the coming days. You will be judged on your protocol, process and method in your involvement in this regional issue not on your sentiments. You can lend much support by staying in your own lands we do not want or need your military presence in our region.
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    (Original post by misterxninja)
    We are not bombing civilian towns or any towns for that matter, we are using artillery to hit anything that comes near the border. The border is now closed and the 24 hour notice has passed, thus this is not a bombardment it is precision artillery on spotted targets moving in the direction of the border.

    We have sent out a radio interrupting transmission to inform civilians to head South and to avoid coming toward the East Mauritania Mali border. Please get present factual information, because nothing Mauritania has stated has mentioned saturation bombardment of a civilian area.

    People have been warned and now know via a letter bombing not to come near the East border and are advised to flee to the South, because we will shortly be crossing over the border since Mali has welcomed all support in all forms and sizes.

    You would do well not to antagonize Mauritania that has a substantially larger force in the region than Australia, prodding at a bear with a stick is never a good idea. Mauritania will soon have you removed from the region anyway, so we can do the job you are incapable of because you do not know the lands, the people, the culture or who the enemy is and are going to embarrass yourself. We have collected intelligence for the past few months and have a fully fledged strategy we will soon be engaging with.

    We will deal with our own regional issues with Mali and the UN will mandate this and call for you to leave the region, due to the aggressive nature of your involvement impeding borders without permission and despatching troops immediately without looking at diplomatic channels or consulting Mauritania. You have been rude and broken protocol and thus you will be judged on the bad processes and misconduct you have exhibited, your sentiments may well be just but your involvement and method is damaging and worsening the situation forcing us to act to counteract the negative impact your forces have had on the local and regional population with clear disregard for borders and regional issues.

    I look forward to your prompt exit and removal of rights to be in the region by UN decision in the coming days. You will be judged on your protocol, process and method in your involvement in this regional issue not on your sentiments. You can lend much support by staying in your own lands we do not want or need your military presence in our region.
    Firing artillary accross the boarder is an act of war, you'd do well to remember that. Also note that [no disrespect to Mali] Many of her citizens have no access to radios or other message receiving tech and are illiterate anyway, dropping some leaflets will not help in the slightest australia would also like to question why you'd give an enemy forwarning of any impending assault as they can happily leave with the civilians [whilst you demolish their villages] and return once the fire has stopped..? Also the fact that you would force innocent civilians who have done no harm to anyobdy and already suffer great hardship 'to flee south' is deplorable.

    Mauritania would do well to know her place, she is still in no place to make threats against a far more powerful, better equipped and far better trained force. Whilst you may have more 'soldiers' at your disposal you forget Australia can happily deploy more troops to the region who are far more capable than anything Mauritania can muster. As for your quip about prodding a bear with a stick we would more aptly refer to it as prodding a sloth with a log.

    We have no need to consult with states such as mauritania as it is, in the politest way possible, none of their business what Australia does in other countries who have granted us permission to assist them and also note who we dont bombard with no mandate. The arrogance displayed by Mauritania is sickening in its extent, this is no more 'your' region than it is anyone elses, Mali is a sovreign state and does not need to be chaperoned by the likes of you.

    Do not insult the international community with this half baked talk of Religion, culture and people. we, unlike you, have not got a long and ignoble history of human rights abuses, xenophobia and outright racism to our own citizens and others. We, again unlike you, have a mandate to be in Mali for the good of the people.

    We feel we should inform you, in light of your recent rhetoric, that any attack on our forces will be treated as an act of war and dealt with accordingly.
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    (Original post by misterxninja)
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
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    Mali urges both nations to calm tensions and work together. We welcome support from you both (provided thatbthe civilian cost is minimised). This may be a delicate region, with strong islamic ties, but this does not give Mauritania the inalienable right to control what happens in it. It is still the territory of Mali. The Australian forces are here with our permission, as are the Mauritanian forces. In our eyes you are equal and working for the common good - that of Mali and its people. We urge both nations, but Mauritania in particular, to cease such military posturing towards each other and return to assisting us in reclaiming our nation.
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    (Original post by jsb123)
    The government of Mali thanks Australia for its actions, and for keeping civilian casualties low. This is appreciated amongst our citizens.



    Mali would prefer that Mauritania refrains from blanket attacks on the area, as our population along the border is disparate and may not be aware of the attacks. Mali requests that Mauritania, as much as possible, only attacks those that they can determine to be terrorists and not put our civilians in even more danger. We will endeavour to evacuate our citizens, but the army of mali is still resisting attacks from the terrorist rebels, and has few resources to spare in this task.



    The government of Mali would welcome UN involvement in aiding the existing force on the ground, and reiterates its permission for Australia, France and Denmark to continue supporting us in our attempts at pushing back the terrorists. Mali also asks Nigeria for advice from their dealings with terrorist groups, as Boko Haram form part of the terrorist groups plaguing our nation.
    Thank you for agreeing with us.
    Boko Haram is a matter on its own, and in order to deal with Boko Haram, one must engage with the communities in which Boro Haram is based.

    This conflict with Mauritania will only serve to further strengthen the grip of Boko Haram and this is another reason why it is important for us to quell this situation as quickly as possible.

    (Original post by misterxninja)
    We are not bombing civilian towns or any towns for that matter, we are using artillery to hit anything that comes near the border. The border is now closed and the 24 hour notice has passed, thus this is not a bombardment it is precision artillery on spotted targets moving in the direction of the border.

    We have sent out a radio interrupting transmission to inform civilians to head South and to avoid coming toward the East Mauritania Mali border. Please get present factual information, because nothing Mauritania has stated has mentioned saturation bombardment of a civilian area.

    People have been warned and now know via a letter bombing not to come near the East border and are advised to flee to the South, because we will shortly be crossing over the border since Mali has welcomed all support in all forms and sizes.

    You would do well not to antagonize Mauritania that has a substantially larger force in the region than Australia, prodding at a bear with a stick is never a good idea. Mauritania will soon have you removed from the region anyway, so we can do the job you are incapable of because you do not know the lands, the people, the culture or who the enemy is and are going to embarrass yourself. We have collected intelligence for the past few months and have a fully fledged strategy we will soon be engaging with.

    We will deal with our own regional issues with Mali and the UN will mandate this and call for you to leave the region, due to the aggressive nature of your involvement impeding borders without permission and despatching troops immediately without looking at diplomatic channels or consulting Mauritania. You have been rude and broken protocol and thus you will be judged on the bad processes and misconduct you have exhibited, your sentiments may well be just but your involvement and method is damaging and worsening the situation forcing us to act to counteract the negative impact your forces have had on the local and regional population with clear disregard for borders and regional issues.

    I look forward to your prompt exit and removal of rights to be in the region by UN decision in the coming days. You will be judged on your protocol, process and method in your involvement in this regional issue not on your sentiments. You can lend much support by staying in your own lands we do not want or need your military presence in our region.
    Nigeria will go to the UN with a resolution and Mauritania will be able to see just how many nations do not agree with its actions since dialogue does not seem to be working
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    Singapore is alarmed by the increasingly aggressive stance from Mauritania, and informs Mauritania that any attacks on international forces will be responded too most severely, this may or may not include military strikes. Singapore also condemns the free fire zone declared by Mauritania once more and demands that in future tactics like this are not employed
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    In recent hours Australia has executed 15 more strikes, from F/A 18 strike aircraft and Eurocopter Tiger attack helicopters, on rebel positions in and around Gao and ground units are now encountering fierce fighting fighting on the outskirts of the city.
    Casulties:
    Rebels: 63 killed, 5 captured
    Australians: 5 killed, 7 wounded, 1 MIA
    Civllians: 5 killed when they strayed into cross fire between rebels and Australian troops, it remains unclear who fired the kill shots.

    Australia, in light of the stiffer than expected opposition encountered and the new threat of Mauritanian troops is also preparing to deploy the 3rd light infantry brigade and the 7th motorised brigade immediately to the region, with several more strike aircraft. The 2nd division is being placed on standby.
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    (Original post by cl_steele)
    In recent hours Australia has executed 15 more strikes, from F/A 18 strike aircraft and Eurocopter Tiger attack helicopters, on rebel positions in and around Gao and ground units are now encountering fierce fighting fighting on the outskirts of the city.
    Casulties:
    Rebels: 63 killed, 5 captured
    Australians: 5 killed, 7 wounded, 1 MIA
    Civllians: 5 killed when they strayed into cross fire between rebels and Australian troops, it remains unclear who fired the kill shots.

    Australia, in light of the stiffer than expected opposition encountered and the new threat of Mauritanian troops is also preparing to deploy the 3rd light infantry brigade and the 7th motorised brigade immediately to the region, with several more strike aircraft. The 2nd division is being placed on standby.
    Mali extends its gratitude to Australia for its actions and salutes those who fell for the stability of our country.
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    Mali extends its gratitude to Australia for its actions and salutes those who fell for the stability of our country.
    Australia thanks Mali for its sentiments and is pleased to help out an ally in need.
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    Newsflash!

    The following statement has been released by the Chinese Government!

    Following the unilateral action of Western forces in Mali, the Chinese government has authorised the unprecedented landing of a PLA taskforce as a peacekeeping force in the region.

    China has landed the 3rd Armoured Division, the 41st, 42nd and 43rd Infantry Divisions, the 7th Artillery Division and the 5th Aviation division in Mauritania.

    Along with Mauritanian forces, we will be moving towards Gao in aid of liberating Mali from rebel control. Should a UN mandate establish a peacekeeping mission, these divisions will form the core of the Chinese contribution.

    We urge observer nations not to be alarmed by this movement, and encourage the Malian government to coordinate with our efforts to aid their nation.




    (Original post by SunderX)
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    Australia quearies whether or not China has the authority from Mali to stage what appears to be little more than a full blown invasion of a sovreign state in conjunction with Mauritania?
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
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    Australia quearies whether or not China has the authority from Mali to stage what appears to be little more than a full blown invasion of a sovreign state in conjunction with Mauritania?
    China: Australia should speak for itself. China merely wishes to provide a mediating presence in the region, and to quickly assist the restoration of peace.

    Ukraine is very concerned by the imminent buildup of hostilities in Mali, and calls for the AU/AL to act immediately.

    OOC: Australia clearly didn't follow the instructions about not being alarmed .
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    (Original post by SunderX)
    China: Australia should speak for itself. China merely wishes to provide a mediating presence in the region, and to quickly assist the restoration of peace.

    Ukraine is very concerned by the imminent buildup of hostilities in Mali, and calls for the AU/AL to act immediately.

    OOC: Australia clearly didn't follow the instructions about not being alarmed .
    Australia has the express permission from Mali to continue operations, we have not seen one for China yet..

    OOC: merely curious /OOC
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    (Original post by cl_steele)
    Australia quearies whether or not China has the authority from Mali to stage what appears to be little more than a full blown invasion of a sovreign state in conjunction with Mauritania?
    Mauritania and China has been given the support implied in Mali welcoming all and any international support and specifically in correspondence declaring a welcoming of Mauritanian support on the matter. Chinese forces are in the region to protect oil and also to demonstrate that they too can take part in PKOs and fulfil their international responsibilities as a super power and Security Council member. I welcome this and I know Mali will also, we both have positive constructive respectful relationships with China and they have not imposed themselves upon us they respect both our sovereignties and have worked on a positive protocol and dialogue, perhaps Australia could learn something in International Relations from China here and perhaps then they would still have true legitimacy and be positively working with everyone to resolve the situation. I think the 'Western' nations have made enough of an international mess in the past and it is time you stepped out and watched new forces with correct international dialogue and protocol step forward, we simply cannot trust you with your gun-hoe attitude with this sensitive local and regional issue. This is why you will be UN mandated to leave shortly.

    Mauritania would ask Australia soon to be removed from the nation for misconduct in approaching their intervention to not make discriminatory assumptions that only 'Western forces' can be involved in PKO's, we find it offensive you have assumed and misjudged Mauritania from the beginning when we just want to help our neighbour and China wants to show it too has an international part to play. Mauritania welcomes China and its involvement in assisting a swift resolution to this matter and we look forward to resolving this situation with Mali-Mauritania and China cooperatively dealing with the Terrorist rebels, between our three nations we have the local knowledge, experience and military ability to deal with this - you are no longer needed and was not welcome for some time now. We look forward to your leaving the situation to those better suited to this. We have more legitimacy as trio relationship to be involved in this than your trio Western led group. We have the following criteria for our involvement over you as a trio:

    We know the area and landscape/weather conditions between us.
    We understand the religious issues and culture of the area.
    We have experience in fighting the Taureg's and Ansar Dine specifically.
    We now have the military capability to deal with this effectively.
    We have the better intelligence; satellite mapping and local spies operating in the terrorist ranks for some time now.
    We are local and regional and neighbours and valid legitimate interests for genuine stability.


    This trio is the trio that will deal with this conflict on every measurement and meets all criteria for involvement compared to your trio of Denmark-France-Australia, which only previously had the military ability but thanks to China's support we now better you militarily so your trio has no place part or use in this internal conflict and your involvement has been un-cooperative and has not consulted or worked with Mali or Mauritania on the matter and you are acting on your own behalf in a foreign country where you are considered aliens. Our trio has the best balance and hits the right reasons to be involved and is the most legitimate in being their. The theory the "more the merrier" does not apply here, you have agitated Terrorism and increased 'Western' hatred in the region by your presence and lack of understanding of the local culture or religion. It is time you withdrew or result being UN mandated to leave and embarrassed, pull out now while you can spare some international reputation in your complete mishandling of this sensitive local and regional issue.
    Last edited by misterxninja; 04-08-2012 at 11:47.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    Singapore is alarmed by the increasingly aggressive stance from Mauritania, and informs Mauritania that any attacks on international forces will be responded too most severely, this may or may not include military strikes. Singapore also condemns the free fire zone declared by Mauritania once more and demands that in future tactics like this are not employed
    Mauritania thinks Singapore should listen and look at Mauritanian dialogue not on spin doctored and distorted representations of Mauritania by 'Western' nations in their savage attack of Mauritania, when we have a brilliant improving record of democracy and human rights.

    We think the use of human rights and Australia as the force of justice is precisely why we need a change in international direction, this is a country that went into Iraq and left it in a mess and killed all amounts of civilians known as Kurds in their wake during the war. Australia is not to be trusted on this matter it's track record is far less well informed than it realises, it basis its assault of Mauritania on 'Western media' not on fact. Thus we rebuttal it's accusations and appeal to Singapore to reconsider to avoid it being misled by Australia on it's rhetoric that bares nothing on reality.

    Mauritania is not threatening Australia or suggesting we will engage them, we have actually said we will disengage with them and ignore their presence completely as illegitimate actors who broke UN protocol in their involvement in forcing their way into Mali before they had approval and had crossed the border into Mali with a large military force, before Mali even welcomed it. What choice if any choice did Mali have after Australia had acted this way to refused it. It had no choice it's voice and hand was forced by a bullying mentality of the 'western' trio, who all have poor records in international issues, Iraq is recognised as a mess and mistake - Mauritania is proof that you don't need an Iraq situation to become a progressive democracy and move away from dictatorship.
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    The government of Mali reiterates in the strongest possible terms that it welcomes all assistance equally. We trust that both groups wish to help us, and desire them to work together. With a broad range of international co-operation, and sharing of intelligence, we believe that we can fix this problem. We would also be happy for the involvement of the Arab League, the African Union and the UN in directing the attacks on our terrorists.

    In other news, buoyed by news of recent successes of foreign friends, Malian troops have recaptured the commune of Lere and are making their way towards Timbuktu (Tombouctou), which we hope Mauritania and China may be able to assist us in recapturing. So far, there seems to have been little resistance, perhaps with the rebels aware of greater military mobilisation. 12 rebels have been reported killed, and, sadly, 2 soldiers of Mali, in the renewed offensive.

    We urge the nations fighting with us to fight together. We remain ever grateful for your sacrifices.
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    (Original post by misterxninja)
    Mauritania and China has been given the support implied in Mali welcoming all and any international support and specifically in correspondence declaring a welcoming of Mauritanian support on the matter. Chinese forces are in the region to protect oil and also to demonstrate that they too can take part in PKOs and fulfil their international responsibilities as a super power and Security Council member. I welcome this and I know Mali will also, we both have positive constructive respectful relationships with China and they have not imposed themselves upon us they respect both our sovereignties and have worked on a positive protocol and dialogue, perhaps Australia could learn something in International Relations from China here and perhaps then they would still have true legitimacy and be positively working with everyone to resolve the situation. I think the 'Western' nations have made enough of an international mess in the past and it is time you stepped out and watched new forces with correct international dialogue and protocol step forward, we simply cannot trust you with your gun-hoe attitude with this sensitive local and regional issue. This is why you will be UN mandated to leave shortly.

    Mauritania would ask Australia soon to be removed from the nation for misconduct in approaching their intervention to not make discriminatory assumptions that only 'Western forces' can be involved in PKO's, we find it offensive you have assumed and misjudged Mauritania from the beginning when we just want to help our neighbour and China wants to show it too has an international part to play. Mauritania welcomes China and its involvement in assisting a swift resolution to this matter and we look forward to resolving this situation with Mali-Mauritania and China cooperatively dealing with the Terrorist rebels, between our three nations we have the local knowledge, experience and military ability to deal with this - you are no longer needed and was not welcome for some time now. We look forward to your leaving the situation to those better suited to this. We have more legitimacy as trio relationship to be involved in this than your trio Western led group. We have the following criteria for our involvement over you as a trio:

    We know the area and landscape/weather conditions between us.
    We understand the religious issues and culture of the area.
    We have experience in fighting the Taureg's and Ansar Dine specifically.
    We now have the military capability to deal with this effectively.
    We have the better intelligence; satellite mapping and local spies operating in the terrorist ranks for some time now.
    We are local and regional and neighbours and valid legitimate interests for genuine stability.


    This trio is the trio that will deal with this conflict on every measurement and meets all criteria for involvement compared to your trio of Denmark-France-Australia, which only previously had the military ability but thanks to China's support we now better you militarily so your trio has no place part or use in this internal conflict and your involvement has been un-cooperative and has not consulted or worked with Mali or Mauritania on the matter and you are acting on your own behalf in a foreign country where you are considered aliens. Our trio has the best balance and hits the right reasons to be involved and is the most legitimate in being their. The theory the "more the merrier" does not apply here, you have agitated Terrorism and increased 'Western' hatred in the region by your presence and lack of understanding of the local culture or religion. It is time you withdrew or result being UN mandated to leave and embarrassed, pull out now while you can spare some international reputation in your complete mishandling of this sensitive local and regional issue.
    Australia considers Mauritanias points at best laughable and at worst down right ignorant, in no plausable way does China have any better understanding of the area and demographics than our nation as they are also an eastern nation [again not Australia is in the east] Wealso feel we should draw Mauritanias attention to the current motion she has submitted which she is currently loosing in the MuN. We also find it deeply offensive that you should tarnish our great nations history with the same brush as the western nations you speak by which we can only assume you are reffering to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan in which we were only there as part of the UN forces.

    With regards to your point about 'violating you sovreignty' and having us removed from the region we will point out you have not one leg to stand on, we are neither in or near your country and you have no mandate or authority to govern what a sovreign state wishes to do or has on their territory.

    Your list of points are nothing but waffle;
    We know the area and landscape/weather conditions between us.
    We understand the religious issues and culture of the area.
    Australia has access to far more advanced surveilance systems than Mauritania does and regardless our military is able to function in all weather and geographical conditions as per training.
    We have experience in fighting the Taureg's and Ansar Dine specifically.
    We have equal if not better experience in fighting terrorist insurgents through our involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan and numerous other countries.
    We now have the military capability to deal with this effectively.
    The army of Mauritania is in little shape to forge ahead with a war, especially without Chinas assitance, Australia on the other hand currently has 3 divisions and variousother military assets on the ground [around 17000 troops] and access to more.
    We have the better intelligence; satellite mapping and local spies operating in the terrorist ranks for some time now.
    We find the first point eyebrow raising and the second simply questionable.
    We are local and regional and neighbours and valid legitimate interests for genuine stability.
    given Mauritanias current actions we can only see her 'interests' being to batter her neighbour and assert her regional dominance [as shown by her destruction of several villages along the boarder] Australiaon the other hand has a completely impartial objective as she has no interests in the region and is simply here on a humanitarian mission.

    Once again Mautiania can be observed to be spouting what can only be described as hate and lies for some unbeknown reason. China has no more mandate for the region than Australia yet both of us have more than Mauritania. We reject all of your calls to leave untill our work with the Malian government is complete and not the government of Mauritania whiich once again has ZERO say in the affairs of Mali.

    If your beligerant attitude continues to rise we will take relevant steps accordingly to deal with this issue.

    We would also like to remind Mauritania that under the ANZUS treaty we can ask both New Zealand and the USA for assistance in any problems arising from your conduct.

    OOC: we're going to have to cut down on these replies at some point theyre getting very long! /OOC
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    Australian war planes once again have been launching strikes against terorrist positions in and around Gao with no fewer than 21 sorties executed. Troops are in the final stages of clearing Gao of rebel forces with only a few issolated terrorists remaining within the city.

    Casulty figures:
    Rebels - 231 dead, 43 injured, 69 captured
    Australian - 34 killed, 16 injured, 0 MIA
    Civillians - [from on the ground estimates] 23 killed/injured
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    (Original post by cl_steele)
    Australia considers Mauritanias points at best laughable and at worst down right ignorant, (1)in no plausable way does China have any better understanding of the area and demographics than our nation as they are also an eastern nation [again not Australia is in the east] Wealso feel we should draw Mauritanias attention to the current motion she has submitted which she is currently loosing in the MuN. We also find it deeply offensive that you should tarnish our great nations history with the same brush as the western nations you speak by which we can only assume you are reffering to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan in which we were only there as part of the UN forces.

    With regards to your point about 'violating you sovreignty' and having us removed from the region we will point out you have not one leg to stand on, (2)we are neither in or near your country and you have no mandate or authority to govern what a sovreign state wishes to do or has on their territory.

    (3)Your list of points are nothing but waffle;
    We know the area and landscape/weather conditions between us.
    We understand the religious issues and culture of the area.
    Australia has access to far more advanced surveilance systems than Mauritania does and regardless our military is able to function in all weather and geographical conditions as per training.
    We have experience in fighting the Taureg's and Ansar Dine specifically.
    We have equal if not better experience in fighting terrorist insurgents through our involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan and numerous other countries.
    We now have the military capability to deal with this effectively.
    The army of Mauritania is in little shape to forge ahead with a war, especially without Chinas assitance, Australia on the other hand currently has 3 divisions and variousother military assets on the ground [around 17000 troops] and access to more.
    We have the better intelligence; satellite mapping and local spies operating in the terrorist ranks for some time now.
    We find the first point eyebrow raising and the second simply questionable.
    We are local and regional and neighbours and valid legitimate interests for genuine stability.
    given Mauritanias current actions we can only see her 'interests' being to batter her neighbour and assert her regional dominance [as shown by her destruction of several villages along the boarder] Australiaon the other hand has a completely impartial objective as she has no interests in the region and is simply here on a humanitarian mission.

    Once again Mautiania can be observed to be spouting what can only be described as hate and lies for some unbeknown reason. China has no more mandate for the region than Australia yet both of us have more than Mauritania. We reject all of your calls to leave untill our work with the Malian government is complete and not the government of Mauritania whiich once again has ZERO say in the affairs of Mali.

    If your beligerant attitude continues to rise we will take relevant steps accordingly to deal with this issue.

    We would also like to remind Mauritania that under the ANZUS treaty we can ask both New Zealand and the USA for assistance in any problems arising from your conduct.

    OOC: we're going to have to cut down on these replies at some point theyre getting very long! /OOC
    (1) We said the trio of not individually of is better as a collective than your trio of. Mauritania-Mali-China are more effective in every indication in dealing with this conflict than Australia-Denmark-France are. We have more satellite access and military means in our grouping now with China involved and now have a more satisfying grouping of nations to deal with this than your trio. Your group of nations have no reason to be in this conflict and we will remove you by UN means and resolve this properly.

    (2) You are near our country and are trespassing in our region and as a bordering nation involved and experiencing the damage of this terrorism first hand we are involved and have a more valid important opinion you should of consulted Mauritania in the absence of Mali. In distant Australia you are not impacted in any measure or term by this conflict and have no reason to be in it. You violated the sovereignty of many nations in the region, where you landed without proper permission, forcing yourself into Mali before proper permission.

    You broke UN protocols and went straight in with a military dispatch and have organized your military operation gun-hoe and local civilians are joining the rebels out of anger at your nations involvement and 'anti-westernism' is spreading in the region as a direct correlation. This has happened since you got involved and pushed your way into this conflict you do not belong in - it is our involvement massively. The Malian people do not want your involvement or 'westernism' and a repeat of Iraq and Afghanistan, we can deal with this within our region with support that went through the correct sensitive protocols and abided sovereignty. Perhaps if you had taken China's approach to this engagement you would be at our strategy table providing an opinion rather than gun-hoe gunning your way through a foreign territory without working with Mali or its regional friends.

    (3) The points are not waffle, because you have not listened or read what has been said in the dialogue and have tried to make Mauritania look stupid for its making points. Mauritania has said between x,y,z nations we have these things over your a,b,c nations as a collective grouping not individually. We actually look to work with Mali, not gun it's way through its territory without letting it leads it strategy table.
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    Re: MUN Hypothetical 2012/02 - Increased tensions between Mauritania and Mali
    (Original post by misterxninja)
    (1) We said the trio of not individually of is better as a collective than your trio of. Mauritania-Mali-China are more effective in every indication in dealing with this conflict than Australia-Denmark-France are. We have more satellite access and military means in our grouping now with China involved and now have a more satisfying grouping of nations to deal with this than your trio. Your group of nations have no reason to be in this conflict and we will remove you by UN means and resolve this properly.

    (2) You are near our country and are trespassing in our region and as a bordering nation involved and experiencing the damage of this terrorism first hand we are involved and have a more valid important opinion you should of consulted Mauritania in the absence of Mali. In distant Australia you are not impacted in any measure or term by this conflict and have no reason to be in it. You violated the sovereignty of many nations in the region, where you landed without proper permission, forcing yourself into Mali before proper permission.

    You broke UN protocols and went straight in with a military dispatch and have organized your military operation gun-hoe and local civilians are joining the rebels out of anger at your nations involvement and 'anti-westernism' is spreading in the region as a direct correlation. This has happened since you got involved and pushed your way into this conflict you do not belong in - it is our involvement massively. The Malian people do not want your involvement or 'westernism' and a repeat of Iraq and Afghanistan, we can deal with this within our region with support that went through the correct sensitive protocols and abided sovereignty. Perhaps if you had taken China's approach to this engagement you would be at our strategy table providing an opinion rather than gun-hoe gunning your way through a foreign territory without working with Mali or its regional friends.

    (3) The points are not waffle, because you have not listened or read what has been said in the dialogue and have tried to make Mauritania look stupid for its making points. Mauritania has said between x,y,z nations we have these things over your a,b,c nations as a collective grouping not individually. We actually look to work with Mali, not gun it's way through its territory without letting it leads it strategy table.
    Australia has said this many times before and continues to reiterate we universally reject all of your points and our involvement is not up for discussion either with you or the UN.
    The time for discussion over this is over, Australia is involved with the dire situation facing Mali at her behest and we will not bail on this nation in the middle of a trying fight, least of all to let a foreign power establish itself as the dominant force within this already volatile region, we have seen the consequences of this already with examples such as Sudan, Rwanda, Congo etc.
    If Mauritania interferres with our mission and our men in any way we will respond with deadly force, this again is not a point of discussion. Leave us to do our job and we will leave you free to do yours.
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