[fudgesundae]

(Original post by Eldedu)
My mistake, haven't been sleeping enough lately

Bit in bold is the clincher I suppose. I imagined they employed more people than they obviously do. Thanks.

They do employ quite a lot of graduates. I don't have the figures, but there was a report on graduate employment in the UK and IB was one of the industries with the highest number of graduates. But there are also so many people competing for these places, one article I read said that some positions had up to 80 people competing for them, there just would never be enough time to consider all of those applications.

[Herr]

(Original post by Eldedu)
True enough, and props to you. But the question is, do you give them a job? Perhaps noticeably more frequently than graduates of other (competitive) UK universities? And if so, why?

For the most part we don't give priority to anyone from any particular institution. There are a few things that would get your CV thrown into the shredder almost immediately and for sure the person in HR would get a good sounding from me if I see such garbage of a CV, these are :-

A CV that shows a back-to-back Bachelor and Masters, the only exception is a MBA from either a top 20 uni.

A CV that has zero work experience, I rather see you've worked at a McDonald's flipping burgers than one that shows you've been scrounging on mummy or social security.

A CV that is more than 2 pages long.

A CV that contains grammatical or spelling errors of any kind.

The last time I did recruitment was for 2011/12, I had an allocation of 16 heads for the London office and 4 for the office in Switzerland.

For the Swiss office, 1 was sent from the US HQ, she graduated from Princeton and went through the graduate training scheme. The remaining 3 were selected from Swiss institutions including one who was recommended by one of my MBA instructors.

For the London office, 4 were sent from the US HQ, these were all British citizens and they were either from Princeton or Harvard. We had no say on these as they were pushed on by US HQ.

The remaining 12, 3 were graduates from USA. 4 were graduates of Cambridge and UCL. 3 graduated from unis in EU countries, 1 each from various Russell Group uni. Their CV's were selected from the pool of candidates who had completed our internship program and whose names remained on our "to offer" list.

An Oxbridge degree alone won't net you a job, even if it is a 1st. It is very rare that a graduate entry level position is an "academic" type position unless it is one which involves lots of calculations or research. We tend to look for candidates with the right attitude, good references especially from their supervisors and above all one that can think on their feet, on the go and out of the box..... remember in IB many things can change in .2 secs and you need to be able to react and solve the issue without it becoming a bigger problem.

[Astronomical]

(Original post by Herr)
For the most part we don't give priority to anyone from any particular institution. There are a few things that would get your CV thrown into the shredder almost immediately and for sure the person in HR would get a good sounding from me if I see such garbage of a CV, these are :-

A CV that shows a back-to-back Bachelor and Masters, the only exception is a MBA from either a top 20 uni.

A CV that has zero work experience, I rather see you've worked at a McDonald's flipping burgers than one that shows you've been scrounging on mummy or social security.

A CV that is more than 2 pages long.

A CV that contains grammatical or spelling errors of any kind.

The last time I did recruitment was for 2011/12, I had an allocation of 16 heads for the London office and 4 for the office in Switzerland.

For the Swiss office, 1 was sent from the US HQ, she graduated from Princeton and went through the graduate training scheme. The remaining 3 were selected from Swiss institutions including one who was recommended by one of my MBA instructors.

For the London office, 4 were sent from the US HQ, these were all British citizens and they were either from Princeton or Harvard. We had no say on these as they were pushed on by US HQ.

The remaining 12, 3 were graduates from USA. 4 were graduates of Cambridge and UCL. 3 graduated from unis in EU countries, 1 each from various Russell Group uni. Their CV's were selected from the pool of candidates who had completed our internship program and whose names remained on our "to offer" list.

An Oxbridge degree alone won't net you a job, even if it is a 1st. It is very rare that a graduate entry level position is an "academic" type position unless it is one which involves lots of calculations or research. We tend to look for candidates with the right attitude, good references especially from their supervisors and above all one that can think on their feet, on the go and out of the box..... remember in IB many things can change in .2 secs and you need to be able to react and solve the issue without it becoming a bigger problem.

Does that include a 4 year undergrad course where you'd leave with an undergraduate masters (like an MPhys, MEng, MMath, etc.), or just to a postgraduate masters degree?

I ask because I'm starting a 4 year "Physics with Theoretical Physics (MSci)" degree next year at Imperial but want to go into IB afterwards. This wouldn't get my CV put in the shredder, would it?

[SW1X]

(Original post by Attainflair)
You dumb ****, PPE from York will be better than most non-Oxbridge degrees so pipe down and a good few at Oxbridge as well. Would I rather have PPE from York or something like Geography from Oxford, I think the answer is obvious as to which is more prestigious and it isn't the Geography degree.

How amusing.

[moritzplatz]

(Original post by Attainflair)
You dumb ****, PPE from York will be better than most non-Oxbridge degrees so pipe down and a good few at Oxbridge as well. Would I rather have PPE from York or something like Geography from Oxford, I think the answer is obvious as to which is more prestigious and it isn't the Geography degree.

why is ppe such a good course?

the fact alone that you get a degree on a subject studying it for just one year is a joke imho.

[Attainflair]

(Original post by SW1X)
How amusing.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...224&highlight=

Yes, an AAB student who can't get into a **** course like Economic History and has terrible GCSEs and has no working life experience is in a position to judge.

Cool story bro.

[Attainflair]

(Original post by moritzplatz)
why is ppe such a good course?

the fact alone that you get a degree on a subject studying it for just one year is a joke imho.

What are you talking about?

[BigFudamental]

(Original post by Herr)
For the most part we don't give priority to anyone from any particular institution. There are a few things that would get your CV thrown into the shredder almost immediately and for sure the person in HR would get a good sounding from me if I see such garbage of a CV, these are :-

A CV that shows a back-to-back Bachelor and Masters, the only exception is a MBA from either a top 20 uni.

This is a bit of an odd veto criterion.

[moritzplatz]

(Original post by Attainflair)
What are you talking about?

politics, philosophy, economics, at the end you get a degree with this name but you drop one of them after one year, at least in oxford.

[Attainflair]

(Original post by moritzplatz)
politics, philosophy, economics, at the end you get a degree with this name but you drop one of them after one year, at least in oxford.

Well, that isn't the case at York. The whole point of the degree is to combine honours from subjects which are interlinked. PPE is just a whole different ball game to most degrees, hence why it is prestigious everywhere owing to incredibly high numbers of applicants and Oxford's flagship course. Getting rejected from 4 PPE type courses at top universities should not be held against the OP.

[SW1X]

(Original post by Attainflair)
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...224&highlight=

Yes, an AAB student who can't get into a **** course like Economic History and has terrible GCSEs and has no working life experience is in a position to judge.

Cool story bro.

I think you need to calm down. Prick.

[Attainflair]

(Original post by SW1X)
I think you need to calm down. Prick.

Well, you thought it was funny having a go at the OP, not so funny now, is it?

[moritzplatz]

(Original post by Attainflair)
Well, that isn't the case at York. The whole point of the degree is to combine honours from subjects which are interlinked. PPE is just a whole different ball game to most degrees, hence why it is prestigious everywhere owing to incredibly high numbers of applicants and Oxford's flagship course. Getting rejected from 4 PPE type courses at top universities should not be held against the OP.

to be fair ppe is less competitive than math in oxford and a lot less than stuff like economics and management.
anyway i wouldn't say PPE is so different from geography.

[SW1X]

(Original post by Attainflair)
Well, you thought it was funny having a go at the OP, not so funny now, is it?

wtf are you on about? You completely misinterpreted my post. He was having a rant about oxbridge and he got rejected from oxbridge, I was putting the two together. Was not having a go at York or PPE at all.

Anyway, I couldn't really give two Sh1ts. Have a nice day Sir.

[Attainflair]

(Original post by moritzplatz)
to be fair ppe is less competitive than math in oxford and a lot less than stuff like economics and management.
anyway i wouldn't say PPE is so different from geography.

No it's not if you are talking about numbers for Maths vs PPE, as for PPE vs E+M, applicants are generally of a better standard on paper anyway.

Also stop using numbers, at The LSE, Government and Economics has 20 applicants to 1 place, one of the places where the OP applied.

It also isn't 'a lot less' competitive in terms of numbers for PPE vs E+M as well.

http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/under...ses/index.html - Have a look for yourself, if in doubt.

[moritzplatz]

(Original post by Attainflair)
No it's not if you are talking about numbers for Maths vs PPE, as for PPE vs E+M, applicants are generally of a better standard on paper anyway.

Also stop using numbers, at The LSE, Government and Economics has 20 applicants to 1 place, one of the places where the OP applied.

i'm not saying anything against the op.
i just find the way you are portraying PPE and comparing it to courses like geography, exagerrated and unrealistic

[RobG93]

(Original post by Herr)
For the most part we don't give priority to anyone from any particular institution. There are a few things that would get your CV thrown into the shredder almost immediately and for sure the person in HR would get a good sounding from me if I see such garbage of a CV, these are :-

A CV that shows a back-to-back Bachelor and Masters, the only exception is a MBA from either a top 20 uni.

A CV that has zero work experience, I rather see you've worked at a McDonald's flipping burgers than one that shows you've been scrounging on mummy or social security.

A CV that is more than 2 pages long.

A CV that contains grammatical or spelling errors of any kind.

The last time I did recruitment was for 2011/12, I had an allocation of 16 heads for the London office and 4 for the office in Switzerland.

For the Swiss office, 1 was sent from the US HQ, she graduated from Princeton and went through the graduate training scheme. The remaining 3 were selected from Swiss institutions including one who was recommended by one of my MBA instructors.

For the London office, 4 were sent from the US HQ, these were all British citizens and they were either from Princeton or Harvard. We had no say on these as they were pushed on by US HQ.

The remaining 12, 3 were graduates from USA. 4 were graduates of Cambridge and UCL. 3 graduated from unis in EU countries, 1 each from various Russell Group uni. Their CV's were selected from the pool of candidates who had completed our internship program and whose names remained on our "to offer" list.

An Oxbridge degree alone won't net you a job, even if it is a 1st. It is very rare that a graduate entry level position is an "academic" type position unless it is one which involves lots of calculations or research. We tend to look for candidates with the right attitude, good references especially from their supervisors and above all one that can think on their feet, on the go and out of the box..... remember in IB many things can change in .2 secs and you need to be able to react and solve the issue without it becoming a bigger problem.

Why does doing a back-to-back BSc then Masters course matter in terms of employing them?

[Attainflair]

(Original post by moritzplatz)
i'm not saying anything against the op.
i just find the way you are portraying PPE and comparing it to courses like geography, exagerrated and unrealistic

If you say so.

If you genuinely think the prestige of Geography is comparable to PPE, then you are off your noggin. If someone wants to study Geography for academic reasons that is fine but it's not comparable in terms of prestige. Just a fact.

[SW1X]

(Original post by Attainflair)
If you say so.

If you genuinely think the prestige of Geography is comparable to PPE, then you are off your noggin. If someone wants to study Geography for academic reasons that is fine but it's not comparable in terms of prestige.

No one cares what degree you did, no one. Only the institution in which it was awarded from.

[Attainflair]

(Original post by SW1X)
No one cares what degree you did, no one. Only the institution in which it was awarded from.

I don't study at York, I study at one of the 'target' universities. Degree matters as well.... people do care. Have a guess at who is in an advantage for IB, the person who has done Economics, Maths, E+M, PPE, MORSE or the person who has done Classics, Geography, English Lit. Go figure.