[aliyah4lyf]

Addin to what I said, I think people are getting the wrong image of islam. In islam women are free to marry any guy of there choice, as long as he's a muslim.

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[mariachi]

(Original post by aliyah4lyf)
Addin to what I said, I think people are getting the wrong image of islam. In islam women are free to marry any guy of there choice, as long as he's a muslim.
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just like what Henry Ford used to say :

"Ford customers can buy a car which is the colour of their choice, provided it's black"

[aliyah4lyf]

Islam is a religion. It is NOT forced on anyone. If a non muslim truely loves a muslim girl, he shall accept islam as a religion and become a muslim.

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[ZizziHikaru]

(Original post by naiadania)
But considering the fact that having a pre-martial relationship is such a major sin in Islam, made worse by the fact that it is continuous meaning repeatedly going against Islamic teaching - it becomes much less likely that a person doing such an action would be a real Muslim (submitter) and much more likely that they are merely Muslims by name.

And a Muslim is not just a name or label given to people born to Muslim parents . A minimum amount of adherence to Islamic teachings is essential, beyond which it is reasonably safe to say that one is not Muslim (a submitter).

How dare you? Saying and believing that there is one god and Muhammed is his messenger makes one a Muslim. How can can you presume to know what's between a person's heart and Allah? Everyone makes mistakes, even big ones. It doesn't mean they've renounced their faith. Even the Prophet (pbuh) made decisions based on love, and Allah was understanding.

The five pillars of Islam don't mention marriage or pre-mariTAL relationships. They are a domestic issue, and separate from true faith in Allah.

OP, I believe my parents would become enraged beyond reason, but not to the point of murder. Not because of our religion, but because of what society (British South Asian) would think about me, and about them not being able to 'control' their daughter.

Islam is not anti-love, but it's pro-marriage.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Golden_Boy786)
What do you mean by "various horrific Cases". That Shafilea case was one where are the "various" you can't just go about making uncalculated and prejudice remarks. Plus that case was a one off, you don't see that in the news every day.

Tulay Goren

Banaz Mahmod

Aysha Mohammed

Samaira Nazir

Gonay Ogmen

Zainab Shafia, Sahar Shafia, and Geeti Shafia

There have been many such cases that have been reported, probably even more that havent been covered to the necessarriy extetent, unfortuantley due to cultural sensitivities in the west, i fear the issue is attempted to be swept under the carpet. I would guess many muslim fathers brothers uncles here still feel they have the right to beat/kill duaghters that dont obey them when it comes to islamic marriage

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by aliyah4lyf)
Islam is a religion. It is NOT forced on anyone. If a non muslim truely loves a muslim girl, he shall accept islam as a religion and become a muslim.

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that is not freedom- if she falls in love with a non muslim man, who doesnt want to convert - if she does love him, she could accept his religion too - but islam doesnt allow this , so there is compulsion and many people dont agree with compulsion. And muslim familiy members see this as the right to batter or kill daughters that try

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by ameena.milly)

There are people like shafelia Ahmed parents who take matters in their own hands and care more about society such as what people think. Also they may feel have felt that the muslim society would look down at then therefore if she wasn't alive no one would ask questions.

Society in general wouldnt have judged her, we believe fully in equality here.
Muslim society as you say view it differently, which clearly is wrong

[aliyah4lyf]

Islam does not give the right to kill somrone, just because you feel like it. The word islam means peace. And being a muslim, I am sure any other muslim girl wouldn't change there religion, just for a guy.

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[aliyah4lyf]

Islam does believe in equality as well, you just need to understand and know how, before saying stuff like this

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[Slushxx]

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
Agnostic guy? I think there might be a misunderstanding unless it's a big deal to date gnostic people...

It's a big deal to date anyone, so to date a non believer is a huge deal regardless of whether his Agnostic, Atheist or Christian...yeah it's a pretty messed up view.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by Slushxx)
It's a big deal to date anyone, so to date a non believer is a huge deal regardless of whether his Agnostic, Atheist or Christian...yeah it's a pretty messed up view.

You can still 'believe' and be agnostic... Agnosticism isn't like a separate option to atheism and theism...

Putting non believers aside I don't see why it should matter if a person is agnostic or gnostic...

[mariachi]

(Original post by aliyah4lyf)
The word islam means peace. And being a muslim, I am sure any other muslim girl wouldn't change there religion, just for a guy.

Islam means "submission", not peace

and, if a muslim girl changes her religion for a guy, then it means she's not a muslim anymore

quite right

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by aliyah4lyf)
Islam does not give the right to kill somrone, just because you feel like it. The word islam means peace. And being a muslim, I am sure any other muslim girl wouldn't change there religion, just for a guy.

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well it forbids you as a muslim female from marrying a non muslims - so how family memebers want to enforce that is not clarified - but generally interpretated as using force.

there have been various cases when muslim girls have wanted to marry non muslim men - many leading to tragic cases of them being killed by their family - so we know it does happen. You may say you never would want to, but how do you know till you meet the guy? Does it make more sense just to marry a guy on the basis of his religion in primacy and not how both connect? i dont think most people think like this.

[tammie123]

Well my parents would be upset and try to convince me to leave him, but they would eventually get over it. By the way OP what are you trying to achieve by bringing this up? It's only the minority of muslim parents who would commit such an abhorrent crime like murdering their own child.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by tammie123)
Well my parents would be upset and try to convince me to leave him, but they would eventually get over it. By the way OP what are you trying to achieve by bringing this up? It's only the minority of muslim parents who would commit such an abhorrent crime like murdering their own child.

im aware that this crime has occurred in a minoritity of muslim families, but it has occurred - and in within varying ethnicities - turkish, paksitani, afgani etc. So its pertinent that the reason those familiy members committed the crime was islamic pressures. Its brought up becuase it is topical (shafeilia ahmed case) and also important - dont you think erdicating this attitude from muslim society i important?

[aliyah4lyf]

Thats nothing to do with religion. That's culture. Stop picking on islam, as there are other religions where these tradegies are taking place. People are just picking on islam for no reason. You people are looking at islam, the way you want to, and that is so wrong.

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[aliyah4lyf]

True, ps it's there culture not religion. Ur right, it's only a minority

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[Perseveranze]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
well it forbids you as a muslim female from marrying a non muslims - so how family memebers want to enforce that is not clarified - but generally interpretated as using force.

They can't enforce anything. You're suppose to respect and listen to your parents, unless they tell you to do something Un-Islamic.

I believe in India (Non-Muslim Indians that is) they use a lot of force though, as is culturally accepted. We saw the recent case of the Sikh beheading his daughter, quite openly, which may mean it's more accepted.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
there have been various cases when muslim girls have wanted to marry non muslim men - many leading to tragic cases of them being killed by their family - so we know it does happen. You may say you never would want to, but how do you know till you meet the guy? Does it make more sense just to marry a guy on the basis of his religion in primacy and not how both connect? i dont think most people think like this.

Just as there have been many cases of Latins, and Hindu's and Sikh's wanting to marry someone outside their religion (or with Hindu's, cast lol), which have resulted in their families killing them.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
They can't enforce anything. You're suppose to respect and listen to your parents, unless they tell you to do something Un-Islamic.

I believe in India (Non-Muslim Indians that is) they use a lot of force though, as is culturally accepted. We saw the recent case of the Sikh beheading his daughter, quite openly, which may mean it's more accepted.



Just as there have been many cases of Latins, and Hindu's and Sikh's wanting to marry someone outside their religion (or with Hindu's, cast lol), which have resulted in their families killing them.

i dont beleive there are scriptual restrictions for sikhs or hindus to marry people of other religion ( both do in this country anyway) so there is no religious reason for parents to kill thier daughters.
in islam scriputre strictly forbids a muslim girl to marry a sikh for example, and fathers, borthers can enforce islamic edict by killing the daughter ( as they have done in reported cases) - hence the difference and why in this country most reported honour killing cases have come form muslim families ( of various ethnicites and therefore differnt cultures)

[tammie123]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
im aware that this crime has occurred in a minoritity of muslim families, but it has occurred - and in within varying ethnicities - turkish, paksitani, afgani etc. So its pertinent that the reason those familiy members committed the crime was islamic pressures. Its brought up becuase it is topical (shafeilia ahmed case) and also important - dont you think erdicating this attitude from muslim society i important?

Well it can't be an Islamic issue as killing your children so called 'honour' goes against everything Islam stands for, 'kill not your children for fear of want'. Most of the countries you've mentioned are countries battling poverty which has inevitably lead to a lack of education, so that is most likely (along with societal pressures, not religious) were the cause for this abhorrent crime. I agree with the last bit, and we need to start as soon as possible before this issue gets out of hand.