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    Any information we see always leads to an intelligent being. Why then do atheists ignore DNA? So complicated is the code in all living things that even if all the coders in the world got together they wouldn't even come close to creating anything like it. Of course the atheist can say that, DNA, like everything else just evolved. But there is a problem with this. No-one has ever observed nature creating information. It follows patterns, but it never creates information. We then must come to the conclusion that there is an intelligent being behind this information.

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    What's there to discuss lol :P
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    I'd actually have to know how your defining information to make a sensible comment.

    It sounds like your saying information is a message that originates from an intelligent being, in which case if you can prove that DNA originates from an intelligent being then you could call it 'information'.

    This is not the usual, technical definition of information, however. Usually, information is defined as a sequence that is capable of being interpreted by intelligence. This does not require an intelligent originator, merely an intelligent observer.

    In yet another sense, scientists gain much of their information about the universe from non-intelligent sources. There is information in the spectrum of magnetic waves emitted from a star but it is unlikely that means stars are sentient.
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    I want evidence from atheists that shows nature creates information.
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    What?
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    (Original post by Jason2)
    I want evidence from atheists that shows nature creates information.
    Define information.

    Edit: Actually don't, I cant be bothered with this.
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    (Original post by Brevillemonkey)
    Define information.

    Edit: Actually don't, I cant be bothered with this.
    information: within a context that gives it meaning and relevance and; is specific and organized for a purpose.
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    (Original post by Jason2)
    I want evidence from atheists that shows nature creates information.
    try reading the comment above you

    (Original post by studiousgeek)
    I'd actually have to know how your defining information to make a sensible comment.

    It sounds like your saying information is a message that originates from an intelligent being, in which case if you can prove that DNA originates from an intelligent being then you could call it 'information'.

    This is not the usual, technical definition of information, however. Usually, information is defined as a sequence that is capable of being interpreted by intelligence. This does not require an intelligent originator, merely an intelligent observer.

    In yet another sense, scientists gain much of their information about the universe from non-intelligent sources. There is information in the spectrum of magnetic waves emitted from a star but it is unlikely that means stars are sentient.
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    FML, its posts like this that make me lose faith in humanity...
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    They hardly emit information now do they? As far as I'm aware, they only emit the temperature. DNA is like a machine in every single cell in your body. There is a massive, massive difference.
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    (Original post by sarahlabrosse)
    FML, its posts like this that make me lose faith in humanity...
    If you have nothing to add don't comment. No one asked you to.
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    :doctor:, and a bloody good one!
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    This is the most ridiculous argument for the existence of a God/Creator that I've ever heard.
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    (Original post by Jason2)
    Any information we see always leads to an intelligent being. Why then do atheists ignore DNA? So complicated is the code in all living things that even if all the coders in the world got together they wouldn't even come close to creating anything like it. Of course the atheist can say that, DNA, like everything else just evolved. But there is a problem with this. No-one has ever observed nature creating information. It follows patterns, but it never creates information. We then must come to the conclusion that there is an intelligent being behind this information.

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    you lost me by the end of the first sentence.
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    Give me another reason for DNA then. You can't.
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    (Original post by Jason2)
    They hardly emit information now do they? As far as I'm aware, they only emit the temperature. DNA is like a machine in every single cell in your body. There is a massive, massive difference.
    The temperature and colour of a star reveal a lot of things about the star, such as the internal workings, structure and composition. If that's not information, I don't know what is.
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    (Original post by Jason2)
    Any information we see always leads to an intelligent being. Why then do atheists ignore DNA? So complicated is the code in all living things that even if all the coders in the world got together they wouldn't even come close to creating anything like it. Of course the atheist can say that, DNA, like everything else just evolved. But there is a problem with this. No-one has ever observed nature creating information. It follows patterns, but it never creates information. We then must come to the conclusion that there is an intelligent being behind this information.

    Discuss.
    This information clearly comes from someone who isn't.
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    (Original post by Brevillemonkey)
    The temperature and colour of a star reveal a lot of things about the star, such as the internal workings, structure and composition. If that's not information, I don't know what is.
    I think we need to be clearer on what we mean by information. DNA is like computer code; it instructs every cell in your body on how to behave, in order that your body can continue to operate. Where has nature ever created such information?
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    (Original post by Jason2)
    I want evidence from atheists that shows nature creates information.
    Well guess what?

    Atheists just want evidence from you that shows it was made by an intelligent being

    Discussion over.
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    it does not PROVE god... you obviously have a problem with the word PROVE... you could equally say it PROVES the magical all knowing donkey who created us.
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