[Lord of the Flies]

(Original post by Hopple)
I'd say it's not as bad to kill the child rapist as it was bad for the guy to rape the child in the first place.

Disagree - a life remains a life. It isn't up to a pair of idiots in prison to decide whether a life should be taken or not. If they had raped him, fine. As horrific as child rape is, I don't see any justification for placing it higher than murder on the crime scale.

[ZombieMartin]

I really dont know what to feel about this story.

[ncsoftlover]

When the government lock people up, the contract on the punishment is the loss of freedom, rehabilitation programs, and possibly career training opportunity in prison, no other punishment is in the contract and therefore prisoners should not be subjected to any other cruel punishment. The government has the responsibility to keep inmate safe, because they're locked up by the government in the first place, I know this kind of things happens from time to time, not completely avoidable, but if the government or prison guards turns a blind eye to this, I accuse the government of assisting murder by locking people up and endanger them to be exposed to the possibility of murder, so I hope this is a rare occurrence, no human being should be subjected to this.
That double murderer that murdered this inmate now is a triple murderer, and should be sentenced to life without parole. I wonder what give double murderers the idea that they have the moral high ground to judge and execute rapist ridiculous.

[AdamskiUK]

How can you stand here and state that it's no loss?

Now I'm quite conservative when it comes to crime. I think murderers should be shot and whatnot, but what I think is beside the point. Our legal system has been set up specifically to defend the right of life we have granted to our fellow humans. This rapist committed an awful crime that was well worthy of his sentence, but certainly not *death*. Especially not death to be decided by two rogue inmates who, in the most part, committed far greater crimes.

You can't just say it doesn't matter. That shows the current inmates that you, upstanding citizens of the law, disregard their actions against fellow prisoners.

[ncsoftlover]

(Original post by TheEssence)
Imply what you wish, but this attitude of an eye for an eye, or capital punishment, be it from the state of taken into the hands of prisoners in my opinion is wrong. Even with executions in other countries, they are at least given the dignity of a last meal, saying goodbye etc, this wasn't in any way justice, just a barbaric and animalistic act


So you are suggesting this guy should not have been in prison, but instead executed? The problem with execution is that as we all know the law is not perfect. Mistakes are made, and when people lives are on the line the stakes are too high. With people like that the best thing that can be done is locking them away from society for the safety of others as well as themselves, it seems the former was fulfilled, but not the latter

Each to their own, what you're effectively saying is murder is not as bad as rape. I do take into consideration the fact that one was a convicted child rapist, and the other an innocent child, but still i just find it hard to accept such an end to ones life. Everyone has their own view, but i feel this act is disgusting, these guys were not acting as vigilantes, but to feed their own disgusting cannibalistic urges it seems. Even if they were acting as vigilantes, their hands weren't exactly clean themselves.

Even if mistakes are not made, rape is not deserving of death penalty (no crime is deserving of the death penalty, just to make a point, if you have to have death penalty, for premeditated murder only). There's hardly any country these days execute people for rape, and that's for a reason. Rape being worse than murder is a mentality fueled by the over sensitivity around sex by our society, rape is not a worse crime than murder, because it's not nearly as final as murder.

[Aoide]

As much as I am disgusted that he raped a child, I don't believe prison vigilantism should be tolerated or justified in any way. I find it especialy odd that murderers think that rapists are worse than them (I know I would rather be raped than dead) and those guys should be punished as badly as if they had killed an innocent person.

When the rapist was convicted and sentenced he recieved an appropriate punishment for his actions and therefore doesn't deserve any of what happened to him. It sickens me that things like this are still allowed to occur (this may have truely been an accident but there will be cases when guards allow it) and the government should be accountable.

[ncsoftlover]

(Original post by Hopple)
I am saying your sweeping statement about being civilised is wrong. Even above, you've mentioned one of the biggest reasons why we don't have the death penalty, its impracticality/unreliability. Being civilised doesn't really come into it if your country has an army.


What I said was the rape of an innocent child is worse than the murder of that rapist. I'm not defending the cannibalism, nor the murder, but I'm not going to lament the loss of the rapist's life just so I can claim to be 'civilised'.

I disagree, murder is murder, I don't discriminate between victims, nor should our justice system, in this case, good that the justice system does not care who the victim is.

[DaveSmith99]

As utterly disgusting and inexcusable the mans crime was, no one deserves to die that way.

[LauraLouii]

I think he deserved what he got! What about the innocent child that will b tormented for the rest of his/her life and their family? And for the record i would say the same if it was murder its not just the crime people should think about its also what the victim or their family has got to deal with ... I just believe in an eye for an eye but only if the evidence has no uncertainty!


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[LauraLouii]

I was also meant to put i dont agree with the way it happend tho ... Prisoners should not get 2 carry out their own justice


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[Mr Einstein]

(Original post by thisisnew)
Wonder if those taking the "must respect all human life" stance would retain such a stance if it was their own son/daughter that had been raped or whatever. I'm sure some of you would and I applaud that because I certainly wouldn't but I reckon the vast majority of you would change your tune if it was. It's easy to take such a moral high ground when you're completely detached from the situation.

While this is true, that many people find it hard to hold to true to their morals under great strain.

This is the reason the victim is not the judge.

[rawkus]

(Original post by Aj12)
Much as I want to say good on them murdering such a scum bag, its not how our society works. Unfortunately he had already been punished and did not deserve to be murdered. To delight in his death as some no doubt want to would just put us on a similar level to men like him.

One of the killers is in prison for murdering two women in a nursing home so no, not "good on them".

[Converse Rocker]

(Original post by LauraLouii)
I just believe in an eye for an eye but only if the evidence has no uncertainty!

I'm sure at the time of a wrong conviction, judges probably felt there was no uncertainty, but people have been wrongly put to death.

This is why I can't support the death penalty because there have been cases in the past where the judge was surely certain of guilt but it turned out later he was wrong.

[LauraLouii]

I never said the judges opinion i said evidence as in fingerprints dna etc


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[Luca118]

You get all kinds of vigilante 'justice' in prison, a majority of which is directed at paedophiles and rapists.

It works along the lines that if you're already in prison for the most of your life for murder, you don't stand a lot to lose if you kill someone else, but from the murderers point of view there is a definite sense of justice.

In prison paedophiles and rapists are further down the scale then murderers, much further.

Which is why in some prisons (I cant speak for all.) the paedophiles and rapists are given the choice whether to join the murderers and other cat A prisoners in your main wing and not give away the reason they are in prison in the first place, or to go into a wing designed for sex offenders, where everyone will know you are one but you will be much safer a you don't come into contact with the rest of the inmates.

You also need to take into account the nature of the murderers, in this case yeh there were some cannibalistic undertones, but I would bet one of the main reasons they killed the guy was the fact the guy was a sex offender.

Also from another perspective, not this case in particular but in other cases where rapists are murdered..
Alot of murderers in these prisons are gang members etc, and while they might be labelled as murderers, murdering someone in a gang war is part of their life, not a great choice granted but thats why they end up in prison, that doesn't mean they don't hold their own opinions on sex offenders.. I think if you went to a gangmember (one who wasn't a sex offender themselves) they would think that rapists were the scum of the earth, just like any other normal human being, the only difference is they are likely to end up in prison if they commit murder in a fight of some kind, and once theyre in prison for life they have little to lose in killing a sex offender...

Also, yeh disembowlling is pretty horrid but the nicest way you are going to die in prison is to have your throat slashed, it's never going to be pretty

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasher]

(Original post by rockrunride)
A psychotic act of cold-blooded violence.

Anyone that takes even the remotest bit of satisfaction from this probably needs counselling.

This. I don't think anyone deserves to be disembowelled and I nothing gives anyone the right to do that to another person.

[Loucornall]

(Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher)
This. I don't think anyone deserves to be disembowelled and I nothing gives anyone the right to do that to another person.

just like the child didnt deserve to be raped and have her life destroyed,
im not a church goer however there is one quote i like

"do onto others as you would have done to yourself"

[Kiss]

(Original post by hamijack)
He's not a great loss to the world and very few people will mourn his death but vigilantism isn't really justice. The killers definitely deserve a life sentence though.

That is why I love this Batman line so much: