Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 years
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 yearsCharity, family, friends whatever people did prior to the welfare state(Original post by mstone12)
i just meant if they are turned down for work and cant get work when you said they should have benefits took of them then how would they survive without any income ? -
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 yearsYou shouldnt have the right to claim benefits in any country though..... and if you come here and dont have the skills to get a job and you arent allowed benefits, what is the point exactly??(Original post by Negaduck)
People should always be free to live in whatever country they please (of course, this isn't the case right now in all countries but hopefully one day). If your right to live in another country was completely taken away, wouldn't you be morally outraged? I would be. I don't want to live in the UK all my life. -
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 yearsI'm not sure what I would do if I was in power, but I can see why we need more young people in this country - I don't particularly want to finally retire after a life (hopefully) spent working to find my pension barely covers the cost of food due to a near-bankrupt state. I value having a decent pension over having to see more black people in the streets, to be honest...
However, this does seem like a very short-sighted solution to the issue, as at some point all these immigrants' children or grandchildren will only be having one or two kids (on average), and you'll essentially have created the issue on a larger scale in a - potentially - less stable/united country. And I would hardly call the UK very united now.
Also, I'm slightly concerned by the number of people who are bothered about which ethnicity is the largest in the UK - why do you care how many blacks there are compared to whites? So long as their views are vaguely 'normal' compared to ours - e.g. they don't plan to institute shariah law - then what is the issue? Why try and preserve something which has always changed? -
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 yearsI have no problem with immigrants. I just think sustainability is a priority. Water resources, public funds. My arms are wide open for those who come here and contribute more than they take out. The problem is net migration is in the hundreds of thousands. Eventually the country will be over populated, public services strained, water resources running out and our defecit and debt going sky high. Left wing logic wants you to put up and shut up and brand you a racist if you question immigration. Like I said I have no problem with immigrants personally. I'm just concerned about immigration as a whole and it's affect on sustainability economically, socially and resourcefully. Numerous factors affect these things such as globalisation, government domestic policies etc. I'm not saying Immigration is the cause of all our problems but it is certainly a factor in contributing to some problems this country faces and because of that Immigration needs to be REDUCED to sustainable levels. I'm sure some left wing people would agree but most of them just don't see the wider picture :/.
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 yearsand what if non of that works some people don't talk to there families .(Original post by pr0view)
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 years(Original post by Picaa)
I'm surprised how dim many on this forum are. You're supposed to be students who stay in school until at least 16, where you're supposed to learn stuff.
Let me make this really simple. More immigration means labour costs are lower and in the short term the government can keep on paying for the aging population. This is a nation with a lot of old people who rely on public services a LOT. All of the tax and NI contributions those old folk made over the years were used up by past governments. Do we want to throw them onto the streets to die? If not, the government needs economic activity that can be taxed continuously. So that means a short quick fix is: bring in Johnny Foreigner to keep costs for business down.
Perfect solution, right? Well, no. The workforce already here is less in demand by employers because of the competition from Johnny. The working population is not rich or privileged but needs money to maintain standards of living and improve them, and psychologically needs a chance to go 'up'. This doesn't happen when you level the playing field all the time by bringing in more foreigners. So what happens? The working people already here become resentful. If this resentment can be focused, say towards a visible ethnic minority, it presents a risk to the government policy. If people see a lot of brownies here they see a lot of immigration and a lot of competition. The government wants the freedom to import or encourage immigrants without the working classes (that means YOU if you ever need to get any job at all in your life) objecting to their policy.
How to fix this obstacle to keeping labour costs (for business) down to sustain a taxable economy? Simple. Make it invisible. That means bring in Russians, East Europeans, Anything White-and-Poor. OK?? The BNP are happy, the working classes blame their condition on the gods or go and watch TV, etc. Business as usual.
Hope you get it now but I rather suspect you mostly don't.
A lot of truth here and I believe in capitalism.(Original post by Picaa)
No. To keep wage levels down for the jobs that ARE already there. -
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 years(Original post by PicardianSocialist)
Why exactly is immigration a bad thing again?
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 yearsSounds soooo contradictory! You are obviously bothered too LOL(Original post by Revilo1)
I'm not sure what I would do if I was in power, but I can see why we need more young people in this country - I don't particularly want to finally retire after a life (hopefully) spent working to find my pension barely covers the cost of food due to a near-bankrupt state. I value having a decent pension over having to see more black people in the streets, to be honest...
Also, I'm slightly concerned by the number of people who are bothered about which ethnicity is the largest in the UK - why do you care how many blacks there are compared to whites? So long as their views are vaguely 'normal' compared to ours - e.g. they don't plan to institute shariah law - then what is the issue? Why try and preserve something which has always changed?
Besides you cant cherry pick, the government do not care.
Which is why I believe this is on the mark:
(Original post by Picaa)
I'm surprised how dim many on this forum are. You're supposed to be students who stay in school until at least 16, where you're supposed to learn stuff.
Let me make this really simple. More immigration means labour costs are lower and in the short term the government can keep on paying for the aging population. This is a nation with a lot of old people who rely on public services a LOT. All of the tax and NI contributions those old folk made over the years were used up by past governments. Do we want to throw them onto the streets to die? If not, the government needs economic activity that can be taxed continuously. So that means a short quick fix is: bring in Johnny Foreigner to keep costs for business down.
Perfect solution, right? Well, no. The workforce already here is less in demand by employers because of the competition from Johnny. The working population is not rich or privileged but needs money to maintain standards of living and improve them, and psychologically needs a chance to go 'up'. This doesn't happen when you level the playing field all the time by bringing in more foreigners. So what happens? The working people already here become resentful. If this resentment can be focused, say towards a visible ethnic minority, it presents a risk to the government policy. If people see a lot of brownies here they see a lot of immigration and a lot of competition. The government wants the freedom to import or encourage immigrants without the working classes (that means YOU if you ever need to get any job at all in your life) objecting to their policy.
How to fix this obstacle to keeping labour costs (for business) down to sustain a taxable economy? Simple. Make it invisible. That means bring in Russians, East Europeans, Anything White-and-Poor. OK?? The BNP are happy, the working classes blame their condition on the gods or go and watch TV, etc. Business as usual.
Hope you get it now but I rather suspect you mostly don't.
What annoys me most is that people forget that immigration works two ways not one way. There's also emigration! Thing is Brits are moving out the uk to find better prospects somewhere else. Despite being a small island we are not insular. The more people leave the more immigrants they will bring in. And the government do not care about what you think! I can't help but wonder if the Spanish are complaining about the huge amount of British people retiring and living in their country?
The problem here is the system, I'm sick of people using immigration as a scapegoat to vent out their frustrations.Last edited by Joonie; 22-08-2012 at 04:39. -
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 yearsDepends where you live(Original post by SebCross)
I couldn't disagree with your arguments more. The level of immigration under the Labour Government was quite a lot, sure, but the benefits outweighed the drawbacks, surely?
England is not a social experiment.(Original post by SebCross)
I for one like living in a country that welcomes people in from all over the world; I find it interesting hearing huge numbers of unique, different languages, styles of dress and everything else when I walk down the street.
Which always sounds better on paper than real life.(Original post by SebCross)
It reinforces to me that I'm living in a wealthy, tolerant, liberal country
That's all well and good, but when you bring in the third world you risk becoming the third world.(Original post by SebCross)
which is a beacon of hope to billions around the world; many of whom exist in war-torn countries who are desperate to experience the kinds of freedoms and opportunities that we in the UK enjoy and, too often, take for granted.
The leaders of the three main European countries all agree multiculturalism is a disaster!(Original post by SebCross)
I despair of the kind of message we'd be sending as a nation if we dramatically curtailed the levels of immigration into the UK.
Stop dressing up your ideological desires as genuine economic concern.(Original post by SebCross)
We'd (rightly) be seen as intolerant, afraid of change and not open to new ideas and new ways of experiencing the world - all the things that don't exactly lead to having great confidence in the UK as a place for much-needed investment from global companies and sovereign wealth funds.[/SIZE][/FONT] -
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 yearsI'm sorry, but I've never been exposed to this amount of far-Right drivel in all my days. I was simply suggesting that the legacy of a marginally more liberal, open immigration policy wasn't all bad. That's it. I am not a 'bleeding heart liberal' for whom the world is condemned to perpetual misery if all creeds and colours aren't singing The Internationale and plundering the vaults of the rich.(Original post by JediMindTrick)
Depends where you live
England is not a social experiment.
Which always sounds better on paper than real life.
That's all well and good, but when you bring in the third world you risk becoming the third world.
The leaders of the three main European countries all agree multiculturalism is a disaster!
Stop dressing up your ideological desires as genuine economic concern.
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Re: Osborne says Britain needs HIGHER levels of immigration over the next 50 yearsIt is certainly an interesting idea from Mr Osborne, and one that will have
some of the staunch right winger's in the Commons fuming!
One of the problems is that many young people simply value themselves too
highly. There is nothing wrong with ambition, and with hard work many of these
people can flourish in well paid positions but, I've seen people who really lack
intelligence believing they are just "too good" for a job in a Call Center, a
Shop or working as a Cleaner. I've also seen people coming out of perhaps
"lesser" universities with 2:2 and third class degrees believing that just
because they went to university they will walk into a 25k a year job age 22. In
this economy, even a first class degree from Balliol College, Oxford, and a
brain of the combined intelligence of Einstein and Hegel doesn't guarantee you
anything.
And that's the problem. Many young people starting their working life,
simply value themselves way better than they are. The reality is, many of them
will start at the very bottom. Perhaps Aldous Huxley would put it: There are too
many Epsilon's that think they are Alpha's.
We need a lot of Immigration or we need to change the culture in this
country.
And by the way - I'm not trying to offend anyone with this post, nor am I
making the claim that people can't succeed at lesser universities (I've known a
25 year old earning 50k with a degree from an ex poly) or that people can't work
their way up to the top, I'm just trying to give my views
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I do not know where to begin! But to be honest I fear my efforts to explain may be slated so I advice 'opening your eyes' to the implications of immigration such as over-population, culture takeover, loss of identity etc...
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