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(Original post by boba)
how? how are you going to force people to have more children

Get durex to prick holes in condoms.

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(Original post by Will Lucky)
Yeah, forcing the population to have children sounds like a great idea, be sure to tell me how that works out.

Sorry force might be a bit misleading I wasn't proposing any actual forced reproduction, lets pretend we are both intelligent people and we both know the government has enough influence over society to ensure it is in peoples best interests that they have more children.

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I've read great article. Key point was that increase in labour supply leads to increase in labour demand. So, argument that immigrants steal Britons jobs are false. Without immigration where wouldn't be those jobs which immigrants steal.

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(Original post by pr0view)
Sorry force might be a bit misleading I wasn't proposing any actual forced reproduction, lets pretend we are both intelligent people and we both know the government has enough influence over society to ensure it is in peoples best interests that they have more children.

What are people's best interests?

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(Original post by pr0view)
Sorry force might be a bit misleading I wasn't proposing any actual forced reproduction, lets pretend we are both intelligent people and we both know the government has enough influence over society to ensure it is in peoples best interests that they have more children.

And that won't be happening, Its instilled enough in this generation to not have children. In my own circle of friends I can honestly only think of one person who has such ambitions. With the economy as it is, and its going to be like this for at least five years given the current global economic situation this trend won't be reversed anytime soon.

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(Original post by lesley keith)
..........to help improve the "economy."

Do they think the English. Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people are still dumb enough to fall for this excuse? I am surprised he didn't add "we need more doctors" and "to do they jobs the British won't do."

So current predictions would be England would be minority White by 2066, yet DESPITE knowing this "politicians" such as Osborne are continuing to insist we need MORE immigration.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...g-7939667.html

At least Miliband said Blair got it wrong on EU IMMIGRATION.........oh wait Millipede....i just realized........what about the NON EU IMMIGRATION

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...gration-labour

I'm sorry but you're overlooking the incredibly positive contributions that migrants and immigrants make to our national life. The benefits economically and culturally are beyond measure.

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More unemployed people makes the whole country better off. OP is a racist scumbag.

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(Original post by whyumadtho)
What are people's best interests?

Depends on the person does it not? Most of us can be influenced by money or lack of it.

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(Original post by Will Lucky)
And that won't be happening, Its instilled enough in this generation to not have children. In my own circle of friends I can honestly only think of one person who has such ambitions. With the economy as it is, and its going to be like this for at least five years given the current global economic situation this trend won't be reversed anytime soon.

I've thought the same myself but tbh. Nobody is interested in having families nowadays but again like i have said the government can make it more attractive for couples to start families.

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(Original post by pr0view)
Depends on the person does it not? Most of us can be influenced by money or lack of it.

So you would give people benefits solely for having children?

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(Original post by pr0view)
Its not in times of economic prosperity when the country has low unemployment and the immigration level is tightly controlled to ensure new arrivals have the required skills and attitudes to work and integrate into British society.

But lets be real bringing 250,000 plus people of which many are not the doctors and scientists that politicians pretend them to be into an already overpopulated country every year against the wishes of the electorate is only effective at turning your once peaceful country into a potential Yugoslavia.

I couldn't disagree with your arguments more. The level of immigration under the Labour Government was quite a lot, sure, but the benefits outweighed the drawbacks, surely? I for one like living in a country that welcomes people in from all over the world; I find it interesting hearing huge numbers of unique, different languages, styles of dress and everything else when I walk down the street. It reinforces to me that I'm living in a wealthy, tolerant, liberal country which is a beacon of hope to billions around the world; many of whom exist in war-torn countries who are desperate to experience the kinds of freedoms and opportunities that we in the UK enjoy and, too often, take for granted. I despair of the kind of message we'd be sending as a nation if we dramatically curtailed the levels of immigration into the UK. We'd (rightly) be seen as intolerant, afraid of change and not open to new ideas and new ways of experiencing the world - all the things that don't exactly lead to having great confidence in the UK as a place for much-needed investment from global companies and sovereign wealth funds.

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(Original post by whyumadtho)
So you would give people benefits solely for having children?

I don't know exactly what i would do if i was in power but nations in the past have used many methods to try and increase birthrates. From giving benefits, taking them away, altering taxes, giving crappy medals, reduced access to contraception and the use of propaganda. If pensions are the problem then it could be made possible to withdraw state pensions to those who choose not to have children. There are many possibilities and it require studies to make such a controversial decision.

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Immigration is largely good for countries with a neo-liberal based economy (like ours), where the idea is to milk as much as you can from the cow to increase wealth for the middle classes and the wealthy.

Immigration is largely bad for the lower working classes, unskilled labourers and tradespeople, and that includes the immigrants themselves, where the idea is to drive wages down as much as possible to increase wealth for the middle classes and the wealthy.

Therefore it's of no surprise that Osbourne wants more immigration.

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(Original post by SebCross)
I couldn't disagree with your arguments more. The level of immigration under the Labour Government was quite a lot, sure, but the benefits outweighed the drawbacks, surely? I for one like living in a country that welcomes people in from all over the world; I find it interesting hearing huge numbers of unique, different languages, styles of dress and everything else when I walk down the street. It reinforces to me that I'm living in a wealthy, tolerant, liberal country which is a beacon of hope to billions around the world; many of whom exist in war-torn countries who are desperate to experience the kinds of freedoms and opportunities that we in the UK enjoy and, too often, take for granted. I despair of the kind of message we'd be sending as a nation if we dramatically curtailed the levels of immigration into the UK. We'd (rightly) be seen as intolerant, afraid of change and not open to new ideas and new ways of experiencing the world - all the things that don't exactly lead to having great confidence in the UK as a place for much-needed investment from global companies and sovereign wealth funds.

We can still be economically attractive to investors and highly skilled individuals without having to change the social fabric of the nation.

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(Original post by pr0view)
I don't know exactly what i would do if i was in power but nations in the past have used many methods to try and increase birthrates. From giving benefits, taking them away, altering taxes, giving crappy medals, reduced access to contraception and the use of propaganda. If pensions are the problem then it could be made possible to withdraw state pensions to those who choose not to have children. There are many possibilities and it require studies to make such a controversial decision.

How would this work in a democracy? I don't think the general public will respond favourably to their pensions being revoked for using their bodies as they want and leading independent, child-free lives. Why should they have to dedicate 16 years of their lives to raising children if they don't want to?

How would this increase employment if people are only having children to gain more income? Many of today's social problems can be attributed to feckless parenting, and if people know they can live without working by popping out children that they don't actually care about, you'll have a new outbreak of juvenile delinquency.

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(Original post by pr0view)
We can still be economically attractive to investors and highly skilled individuals without having to change the social fabric of the nation.

I'm not sure there's really been a 'social fabric' of Britain since the turn of the twentieth century. Globalisation has meant we've embraced more of the rest of the world and have cast aside much about ourselves. That's just what happens in an interconnected global economy.

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(Original post by lesley keith)
..........to help improve the "economy."

Do they think the English. Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people are still dumb enough to fall for this excuse? I am surprised he didn't add "we need more doctors" and "to do they jobs the British won't do."

So current predictions would be England would be minority White by 2066, yet DESPITE knowing this "politicians" such as Osborne are continuing to insist we need MORE immigration.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...g-7939667.html

At least Miliband said Blair got it wrong on EU IMMIGRATION.........oh wait Millipede....i just realized........what about the NON EU IMMIGRATION

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...gration-labour

Most immigrants are from Europe and are white the population is made up of 90% approx. White and the rest non-white.
I could understand if you said "England will be in minority as in actual English whites by 2066"

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(Original post by whyumadtho)
How would this work in a democracy? I don't think the general public will respond favourably to their pensions being revoked for using their bodies as they want and leading independent, child-free lives. Why should they have to dedicate 16 years of their lives to raising children if they don't want to?

I'd have to get some lessons from the three main parties on how they managed to keep the floodgates open in a democratic country despite how unpopular the policy has been before I could reply to you with some real insight.

(Original post by whyumadtho)
How would this increase employment if people are only having children to gain more income? Many of today's social problems can be attributed to feckless parenting, and if people know they can live without working by popping out children that they don't actually care about, you'll have a new outbreak of juvenile delinquency.

I'm not sure i have claimed it would increase employment, my main reason for advocating such a policy is to reduce our reliance on immigration as a demographic gap filler.

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(Original post by hannah60000)
Most immigrants are from Europe and are white the population is made up of 90% approx. White and the rest non-white.
I could understand if you said "England will be in minority as in actual English whites by 2066"

Oh that's fine then lmao

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(Original post by SebCross)
I'm not sure there's really been a 'social fabric' of Britain since the turn of the twentieth century. Globalisation has meant we've embraced more of the rest of the world and have cast aside much about ourselves. That's just what happens in an interconnected global economy.

IYO maybe.