[MagicNMedicine]

(Original post by Llamageddon)
just an fyi call for the plebs that can't read:

OBR isn't actually an abbreviation of Osborne. It's an abbreviation of the OFFICE FOR BUDGET RESPONSIBILITY who are INDEPENDENT, give ADVICE and FORECASTS but do not LEGISLATE because they are not ELECTED MPS.

Six page thread and nobody other than you has noticed the obvious....Osborne has not said anywhere that Britain needs higher levels of immigration.

It was just mentioned in the OBR's fiscal sustainability report which is a 50 year look ahead at the sustainability of the current policies, which is a bit pointless really, if they had been around in 1962 to tell us the sustainability of Harold MacMillan's government's policies then their forecasts for 2012 would have been miles off the mark.

The OBR have basically said that in their forecasts it has made the current policies look less sustainable because the current government wants to reduce immigration, so they have had to adjust their models to include lower GDP growth, because immigration has generally contributed to GDP growth and also from the fiscal sustainability side, immigrants to the UK tend to be more temporary rather than permanent hence they are usually net contributors because they come after school age and leave before retirement age.

[NB_ide]

(Original post by Skip_Snip)
Countryside isn't a waste, it's lovely

Typical ignorant white opinion.

[fuzznbass]

(Original post by NB_ide)
Typical ignorant white opinion.

Don't be stupid, it's 'racist' to be for protecting the countryside ? Methinks you're a troll

[trudy13]

I think a small amount of immigrants is fine to be allowed into the country as many will benefit our society, economy etc. But it has gone a bit too far! In my small Village in Wales there are hundreds of people applying for toilet cleaning jobs on awful wage because there are no other available jobs, and even those are being filled by immigrants usually.
I believe that a lot of the animosity between the British and Immigrants is caused by the UK employers who would much rather pay an immigrant £2 an hour to work an 18hour day than employ somebody local who understands their rights as a British Citizen! Feel free to disagree with me, but many of these members of the Government would not understand Poverty if it walked right up the them and slapped them around the face! Yet it is their Greed and want of more, and more, and more money that causes our country to feel so angry and blame other factors such as immigration. x

[A Mysterious Lord]

(Original post by NB_ide)
Higher population is a GOOD thing. There is a lot of land being wasted as countryside at the moment and studies have shown that the UK alone could home 500 million people comfortably. Stop being so selfish.

Do you have a link to the studies?

Also, if all the farmland has been built on, how are you going to feed these 500 million people. More land built on = less land to feed more people.

[thecookiemonster]

(Original post by M^2012)
Surely "shipping in immigrants" is a pretty effective "fix"?

I also don't understand why it's a "pathetic excuse", exactly?

Tell me, do you have a job?

[thecookiemonster]

(Original post by SebCross)
I'm sorry but you're overlooking the incredibly positive contributions that migrants and immigrants make to our national life. The benefits economically and culturally are beyond measure.

Please explain these benefits, especially the cultural ones?

[AverageExcellence]

How are these people even contributing? Unless they do have a high flyingg job then its not even as big a benefit as they say. I mean put all ethnic and political issues aside and think about it in economic means. A hard working immigrant comes into this country to be a cleaner, a secretary or whatever; an average modest job on say £25,000. She pays a low tax, but she still after 6 months is entitled to child benefit, potential job seekers, housing benefit, access to NHS and emergency services. as well as education for their kids.

It costs between £7000-£20,000 to have 1 baby in a hospital with all the healthcare. If the average person has say 2 kids at £15000, she certainly isn't going to be a surplus to the economy but a deficit.

Immigration is ok when theres a demand for workers, like the italian and the caribbean immigration surges when we needed NHS workers and builders. But there are barely any jobs about. 16-25s are most hit, its extremely hard to even find a job as a waiter or working in a coffee shop. All its doing is increasing unemployment and moving dependancy on the state.

All of this tosh that its nothing but a benefit is a load of bollacks.

[Teemo]

Pro's:
-Can lower age of the general population
-Can prevent population decline
-Increase tax base
-Cheap labour

Cons:
-Initial immigrant of working age then uses 'family reunification' to get the rest of the family over. Usually results in an influx of non workers. Drain on economy.
-For political correctness reasons there is no study on this, but a huge number of academics associate large immigration with increased crime rates.

This is just a few of the basic pro's and cons. Overall studies show there's a very slight economic benefit to immigration.

[NB_ide]

(Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
Do you have a link to the studies?

Also, if all the farmland has been built on, how are you going to feed these 500 million people. More land built on = less land to feed more people.

We build skyscraper farms in the huge cities that will one day span the globe. Countryside farming is hugely inefficient and a grotesque waste of land area.

[Skip_Snip]

(Original post by NB_ide)
Typical ignorant white opinion.

I'd rather see trees and grasslands with interesting creatures in than boring old humans which the former would have to be sacrified for

[Snagprophet]

We need more immigration? I thought we were trying to get our unemployed natives back to work.

[NB_ide]

(Original post by Skip_Snip)
I'd rather see trees and grasslands with interesting creatures in than boring old humans which the former would have to be sacrified for

Disgraceful.

[RamocitoMorales]

(Original post by pr0view)
Or we could just have Children like we have done for the past 200,000 years.

'White wimmin' don't produce enough children and the current generation shun traditional family and marriage.

[ajp100688]

(Original post by Teemo)
Pro's:
-Can prevent population decline

Not exactly, the UK currently has a positive birth rate, we don't need any immigration to change that fact. We're not Germany or Russia, where they're shedding population, which is strange in Germany's case considering it's been just as welcoming to immigration as we have recently. We've had enough immigration over the past ten years, we're not the United States. It's time to start getting the existing population into work before we welcome even more people.

[Tamora]

If the country cannot be run efficiently and prosperously with the 62 million people we already have, somehow I cannot see how enlarging the population by adding yet more immigrants will improve things.

[Tamora]

(Original post by RamocitoMorales)
'White wimmin' don't produce enough children and the current generation shun traditional family and marriage.

Maybe we would if we didn't face ever rising costs and taxes. Maybe we wouldn't shun traditional family and marriage if life we were not so weighed down with debt!

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
We need more immigration? I thought we were trying to get our unemployed natives back to work.

Recessions generally don't persist for 50 years.

[sorafdfs]

No thanks, I prefer the looks of Scandinavian countries to China and India.

[sorafdfs]

(Original post by PicardianSocialist)
Why exactly is immigration a bad thing again?

Why is leaving the tap running when the plug's in a bad thing again?