[desiibowi]

@okshira mate u dont know abt heaven...God made heavens for his creatures humans and jins (ghost) and also he made hell (fire) and God has own throne which is called (arsh) and a chair which is called (kursi)......after making these he explained to humans that who is going where to heaven or hell, God send 1000z of prophets and messengers to diffrent nations with time like ibrahim, moses, david, jesus and explained them how to get into heaven nd rescue frm hell at last God sent last messenger Muhammad to the last nation and revealed Quran with passage of time and need of sitituations...in Quran God explained that f u belive in last messenger Muhamma and Quran and only one God and do wright actions like other nations belived so u will get heavens and f u desbelived then fire is ready fr the non believers...nd God has explained that religions b4 were correct nd they should be followed bt as they hv been changed by people fr receiving little money so All world people should follow Islam only because the book Quran has revealed 14 hundred years ago but if you collect Quran from any corner of the world you wl nt find a single word difference to each other nd God has promised that no one cn dare to change Quran which proves indeed itz God book only...while in bible there are diffrent editions which r written by diffrnt people...So Allah says follow Quran the true book no doubt so you will get entry into paradise and no religion is accepted other then islam on the day of judgement beacuse everything has been explained to all humans now its upto them either they follow God or they follow devil choice is given to every human and jin...if there is any confusion free to ask thnx.


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[Perseveranze]

If you were a Muslim then it's different.

1. You repent before you die.

or

2. You don't repent before you die, so you may go to hell for a certain period of time (like all Muslims who do a sin that's not forgiven would), but then go into heaven eventually.

All Muslims, as long as they stay on faith, eventually get into Paradise.

[Study]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
If you were a Muslim then it's different.

1. You repent before you die.

or

2. You don't repent before you die, so you may go to hell for a certain period of time (like all Muslims who do a sin that's not forgiven would), but then go into heaven eventually.

All Muslims, as long as they stay on faith, eventually get into Paradise.

I disagree with you on that last bit. The Qur'an always talks about wrongdoers and disbelievers etc going into hell and never coming out. It doesn't classify them as "bad muslims". Even talks about hyprocrites and how they'll be in deepest pit in hell, but doesn't talk about them coming out.
Correct me If im mistaken.
No Muslim will go to hell, being a muslim isn't just you having a muslim name but committing sins upon sins.

[thenumber2goose]

(Original post by Okashira)
Heaven is God's house. Why should He let you in His home, just because you felt like you are a good person? Would you let a stranger in your house because they told you they were good?

But as we are often reminded by the religious, we are God's children and he is our Father. He'd have to be a bastard of a father to condemn his own child to an eternity of torment rather than let them into his "house".

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by Study)
I disagree with you on that last bit. The Qur'an always talks about wrongdoers and disbelievers etc going into hell and never coming out. It doesn't classify them as "bad muslims". Even talks about hyprocrites and how they'll be in deepest pit in hell, but doesn't talk about them coming out.
Correct me If im mistaken.
No Muslim will go to hell, being a muslim isn't just you having a muslim name but committing sins upon sins.

That's why I said;

If you were a Muslim then it's different.

And no, "Muslim" by title doesn't work, Hypocrites go to hell. You need imaan (belief) in the heart to be classed as a Muslim.

With Muslims, yes, you can go to hell. If you commit sins in this life, that aren't forgiven, then you must do your time in hell (just like doing your time in jail in the real world). And then maybe, by the grace of God can you enter heaven eventually.

As for disbelievers, then it depends. Some disbelievers such as infants, blind, the mad, those that never heard of Islam properly etc. get tested again in the afterlife, and may still make it to heaven.

But for those who have heard about Islam, had ample of opportunities to learn about it etc. and then do so, but reject it, then they're not coming out of hellfire.

[Okashira]

(Original post by desiibowi)
@okshira mate u dont know abt heaven...God made heavens for his creatures humans and jins (ghost) and also he made hell (fire) and God has own throne which is called (arsh) and a chair which is called (kursi)......after making these he explained to humans that who is going where to heaven or hell, God send 1000z of prophets and messengers to diffrent nations with time like ibrahim, moses, david, jesus and explained them how to get into heaven nd rescue frm hell at last God sent last messenger Muhammad to the last nation and revealed Quran with passage of time and need of sitituations...in Quran God explained that f u belive in last messenger Muhamma and Quran and only one God and do wright actions like other nations belived so u will get heavens and f u desbelived then fire is ready fr the non believers...nd God has explained that religions b4 were correct nd they should be followed bt as they hv been changed by people fr receiving little money so All world people should follow Islam only because the book Quran has revealed 14 hundred years ago but if you collect Quran from any corner of the world you wl nt find a single word difference to each other nd God has promised that no one cn dare to change Quran which proves indeed itz God book only...while in bible there are diffrent editions which r written by diffrnt people...So Allah says follow Quran the true book no doubt so you will get entry into paradise and no religion is accepted other then islam on the day of judgement beacuse everything has been explained to all humans now its upto them either they follow God or they follow devil choice is given to every human and jin...if there is any confusion free to ask thnx.


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Nobody can earn their way into Heaven no more than I can earn my way into your house. If I'm to come in your house, it will be you who invite me in out of the goodness of your own heart. It's the same with God. By the way, it is natural that doing bad things should be punished. If we were to get away with something, we know we cheated the natural order. If God existed, He will not let evil deeds be slipped under the rug. So any system that has good outweighing the bad, and you will enter Heaven, is an evil concept.

(Original post by thenumber2goose)
But as we are often reminded by the religious, we are God's children and he is our Father. He'd have to be a bastard of a father to condemn his own child to an eternity of torment rather than let them into his "house".

Would you receive a child that has cursed your name and could care less about you? Would you receive your child who is now an adult, who hates your guts? Children like this end up outside the house and on their own. It's not likely they will succeed on the outside by themselves. It's the same thing with God, just on an eternal scale.

[.eXe]

No you can't.

Not because of the "sins" you are committing, We all commit sins so that's not the issue. The problem is that you are committing those sins; knowingly. You know it's wrong (which is why you have made a thread about this) and yet you are doing it. It's not like you agnostic to the idea of sin because if you were, the thread title would have been "are these actions sins?"

But no, you recognize them as sins and yet you are asking whether you can go to heaven.

Plainly put. No.

[Converse Rocker]

(Original post by desiibowi)
no religion is accepted other then islam

Seems a bit unfair on those that were raised to believe in other religions.

[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by .eXe)
No you can't.

Not because of the "sins" you are committing, We all commit sins so that's not the issue. The problem is that you are committing those sins; knowingly. You know it's wrong (which is why you have made a thread about this) and yet you are doing it. It's not like you agnostic to the idea of sin because if you were, the thread title would have been "are these actions sins?"

But no, you recognize them as sins and yet you are asking whether you can go to heaven.

Plainly put. No.

Why don't you just be honest and state he will not go heaven since he isn't a Christian?

[.eXe]

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
Why don't you just be honest and state he will not go heaven since he isn't a Christian?

Well he said that he wanted a general response so I gave him a general response. I wasn't giving him a Christian opinion because that's not what he wanted...

Why don't you open your eyes wide and try reading what the OP wants before you comment on my post?

Also show me where I was dishonest..?

[mynameisntbobk]

(Original post by Flyteryder)
I'm gay and I have gay sex a lot. I drink and get drunk; not in moderation. I'm lusftul, jealous and lazy. I've never raped, murdered, stolen, been violent, vandalised etc and I never plan to. I don't believe in any religion, so I don't believe in a prophet like Jesus or Mohammed. Even after all that I believe I'm a good person. I believe that there's a god, but that's it. Can I get into Heaven/Paradise/whatever might be out there, or am I too corrupted?

1 thing, Jesus actually existed, its scientifically accepted that he was alive, so whether you decide to accept his existence is you entirely. But ultimately, of course you can go to heaven after you die. Just live a good life,, do whatever is right , instead of what seems easier and never be afraid to help anybody.

Why neg OP? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

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[Claidheamh]

(Original post by Flyteryder)
I'm gay and I have gay sex a lot. I drink and get drunk; not in moderation. I'm lusftul, jealous and lazy. I've never raped, murdered, stolen, been violent, vandalised etc and I never plan to. I don't believe in any religion, so I don't believe in a prophet like Jesus or Mohammed. Even after all that I believe I'm a good person. I believe that there's a god, but that's it. Can I get into Heaven/Paradise/whatever might be out there, or am I too corrupted?

I don't think anyone on Earth can give you a satisfying answer. When you die you'll find out. No man can honestly say that he knows what rules are there beyond death.

[Observatory]

(Original post by Flyteryder)
Can I get into Heaven/Paradise/whatever might be out there, or am I too corrupted?

Yes provided you have A*AA or better and interview well.

[`R92]

Jesus was such a drinker he turned water into an alcoholic beverage. Whats the issue there.

[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by .eXe)
Well he said that he wanted a general response so I gave him a general response. I wasn't giving him a Christian opinion because that's not what he wanted...

Why don't you open your eyes wide and try reading what the OP wants before you comment on my post?

Also show me where I was dishonest..?

''I'm gay and I have gay sex a lot. I drink and get drunk; not in moderation. I'm lusftul, jealous and lazy. I've never raped, murdered, stolen, been violent, vandalised etc and I never plan to. I don't believe in any religion, so I don't believe in a prophet like Jesus or Mohammed. Even after all that I believe I'm a good person. I believe that there's a god, but that's it. Can I get into Heaven/Paradise/whatever might be out there, or am I too corrupted?''

Where did he say he wanted a general response? You are a Christian, so surely it would make sense if you offered a response based on your religion? Also, you tried to make it appear that him acknowledging that his actions are sinful is the reason that will deny him his place in heaven. You conveniently missed out that even if he DIDN'T acknowledge that his acts were sinful, he would STILL be denied a place in Heaven..

Next time give a straight up response based on your beliefs like Perseveranze did

[CAC]

Hey, i understand where you're coming from, and im not here to judge, as im not perfect either, i think we can all agree on the fact that no one is perfect. But from a christian prospective the only way to enter heaven is through Jesus christ, there is no other way, even if you give all your money, to the poor, try not the be bad. The botton line is you need to know Jesus and have a relationship with him. Someone on the thread gave a good analogy of the house thing, and you can only get to heaven (the house) throught the door (Jesus Christ). So just give your life to him, if you want to, and repent while you can, he is a forgiving merciful, God. But there is a time for everything, so make sure sure, you decide before its too late.

Also, by the way someone said on the thread somewhere that anger is a sin, sorry just to correct that it is not, it is infact what you do wrongfully out of anger that is the sin.

Good luck!

[.eXe]

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
''I'm gay and I have gay sex a lot. I drink and get drunk; not in moderation. I'm lusftul, jealous and lazy. I've never raped, murdered, stolen, been violent, vandalised etc and I never plan to. I don't believe in any religion, so I don't believe in a prophet like Jesus or Mohammed. Even after all that I believe I'm a good person. I believe that there's a god, but that's it. Can I get into Heaven/Paradise/whatever might be out there, or am I too corrupted?''

Where did he say he wanted a general response? You are a Christian, so surely it would make sense if you offered a response based on your religion? Also, you tried to make it appear that him acknowledging that his actions are sinful is the reason that will deny him his place in heaven. You conveniently missed out that even if he DIDN'T acknowledge that his acts were sinful, he would STILL be denied a place in Heaven..

Next time give a straight up response based on your beliefs like Perseveranze did

Listen kid, I was responding to his post. Don't come here and try to analyse what I write because a) you are not qualified to and b) I wasn't speaking to you.

In the quote you posted, the OP clearly said that he doesn't believe in Jesus or Mo. That clearly indicates that he doesn't subscribe to Islam or Christianity.

So why the hell would I give him a Christian response when he so clearly stated that he doesn't believe in Jesus?

Thanks for posting a quote that actually strengthens my point.

Capise?

Oh and also, I know you are a Perseveranze fanboy...doesn't mean I am too. I prefer not to respond like that guy. Don't ask me to because frankly, I could care less about how you think I should respond.

[MSAL]

i think you're a good person, and i think you asked that question because you know you're doing something wrong, and lost, and that's the first step, you need to sit alone more often and just think about everything, your life, religion, maybe read different books,etc. and maybe then you will know what you want exactly, and you'll be confident with your choices as you took things slowly and that will lead you to what you truly want, and how truly you feel about religion, knowledge is the key to the right path.
good luck

[xXxiKillxXx]

(Original post by .eXe)
Listen kid, I was responding to his post. Don't come here and try to analyse what I write because a) you are not qualified to and b) I wasn't speaking to you.

In the quote you posted, the OP clearly said that he doesn't believe in Jesus or Mo. That clearly indicates that he doesn't subscribe to Islam or Christianity.

So why the hell would I give him a Christian response when he so clearly stated that he doesn't believe in Jesus?

Thanks for posting a quote that actually strengthens my point.

Capise?

Oh and also, I know you are a Perseveranze fanboy...doesn't mean I am too. I prefer not to respond like that guy. Don't ask me to because frankly, I could care less about how you think I should respond.

I don't care if you are speaking to me or not. I have quoted you before, asking about certain Christian viewpoints regarding the after life but you did not respond.

So if you are not giving him a response based on Christianity. What religion/ideology is your response based on? Because he clearly states that he doesn't subscribe to any organised religion.

What religion/ideology is this based on:

No you can't. You recognize them as sins and yet you are asking whether you can go to heaven.

Plainly put. No.

If this isn't from Christianity, where is it from?

Whatever it is based on, the OP doesn't subscribe to that particular religion.. So if you are saying:

So why the hell would I give him a Christian response when he so clearly stated that he doesn't believe in Jesus?

then why would you give him the above response when he clearly stated he doesn't subscribe to any organised religion

[.eXe]

(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
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Ah but see here's the thing, when I said "heaven" I didn't specify a "Christian" heaven did I?

That's just an assumption you made.

When I said heaven, I was using the term exactly like the OP used it (a-religiously: meaning not attributed to a specific religion).

If is YOU who is assuming that I used the term heaven in a Christian way.

Nice strawman you have erected.

Now I suggest you stop replying because your entire position has been defeated.