[Metrobeans]

M105 - Motion on the EU Aviation Security Rules, TSR Government

This House believes that the 2006 security rules approved by the European Commission concerning mainly restrictions on liquids which can be taken into the cabin on flights originating from within the European Union, are unnecessary, avoidable and rather absurd and that the regulations in question should be taken into consideration again, possibly even repealed to the pre-2006 state.

Notes

To explain my point, I find it absurd that when I am going on a holiday, I can not take a harmless bottle of mouthwash with me, however I can take knives with blades shorter than 6 cm or scissors, again with blades shorter than 6 cm from the fulcrum. There is also an exception on infant food, which is then limited only by the maximum dimensions of your luggage.

There are many different and even almost undetectable ways of conveying explosives and other weapons (for example, I highly doubt that the duty free shops are that carefully checked, so an organisation could smuggle the items by buying them from themselves), but they choose to irritate us, citizens willing to taste the liquids in front of them.

I also believe that such strict rules and suggestions of terrorism behind every corner could lead to US-like security measures, where the TSA abuses passengers on daily basis, can open their luggage, destroy the locks without their presence or even use full body scanners and if they refuse, touch their genitals. The amount of people killed by terrorists is far lower than the amount of people killed in their own bathrooms by slipping on wet floor. It is just a form of political manipulation, really. Keeping people in fear for their career, as Dan Bull has said.

Some additional reading: http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air/do...les_poster.pdf

[PierceBrosnan]

Against, as much as I am Pro-EU this is one of the EU's more idiotic rules. Although, I can understand the pressurised containers part of that ruling.

[Morgsie]

A lot has happened since 2006, a European Aviation Safety Agency has been established.

Please look at all EU Legislation before bringing legislation to this House.

Here is a website for you, the European Commission Transport website: http://ec.europa.eu/transport/index_en.htm

[Life_peer]

I am the writer.

(Original post by Morgsie)
A lot has happened since 2006, a European Aviation Safety Agency has been established.

Please look at all EU Legislation before bringing legislation to this House.

Here is a website for you, the European Commission Transport website: http://ec.europa.eu/transport/index_en.htm

How is that relevant? These regulations are still in effect and I experienced them twice last month.

[Morgsie]

(Original post by Life_peer)
I am the writer.



How is that relevant? These regulations are still in effect and I experienced them twice last month.

You could have looked at newer Legislation, understanding it all is a different matter. I don't know if that is still in effect.

I don't know much about it all TBH

[tehFrance]

I didn't see this in the sub forum... that said, it is hand luggage and in the hand luggage you cannot have knives but you can in holding luggage, you cannot have mouthwash in either if I am correct.

Against this motion.

[Life_peer]

(Original post by Morgsie)
You could have looked at newer Legislation, understanding it all is a different matter. I don't know if that is still in effect.

I don't know much about it all TBH

Then how can you assume that I have not? That is why I am telling you that these regulations are still in effect, which you can see here, for example.

[Life_peer]

(Original post by tehFrance)
I didn't see this in the sub forum... that said, it is hand luggage and in the hand luggage you cannot have knives but you can in holding luggage, you cannot have mouthwash in either if I am correct.

Against this motion.

You are not. As I have written, you can have knives with blades shorter than 6 cm in hand luggage as well as up to 100 ml of mouthwash in a single container, up to 1000 ml of all liquids combined. You can naturally put as much of it as you wish to the checked (hold) luggage.

[thunder_chunky]

But....but....but...baby milk is so dangerous! If you let baby milk on planes the terrorists win!

[thunder_chunky]

Btw I haven't ever had much problem with this personally. At most I've had water which I've had to thrown away to then buy water on the other side for inflated price. That said with things like mouthwash you don't have have that with you on a plane. I'm sure you can survive a plane journey without mouthwash.
I think in this case the only issue is with baby milk in bottles. What else is so vital that it cannot wait mere hours until the destination has been reached? Excluding medicines I might add.

[jesusandtequila]

Well, what with many airlines charging for hold baggage (not to mention the inconvenience of check baggage), then we face the stark choice between paying for a bag in the hold, or paying for a load of travel-sized toiletries. I'm not sure what the current risks are, or the effectiveness of screening liquids, my gut would say it's a bit over-bearing, but I'd like to look at things more clearly.

Of course, all the stuff above is decisions that should be made by private companies, the airlines and the airport operators - not enshrined in law. As such, I'd support the repeal of the law.

[internetguru]

As usual the government are getting their priorities right.

1. liquid on plane legislation

2. celebrate jubilee motions

.......

99. economy/jobs/spending and all that useless stuff

[barnetlad]

There is one advantage to the current rules- it stopped Ryanair from a 'cabin baggage only' policy.

For those of us that prefer a pleasant flying experience, the rules are non-sensical. Just require liquids to be placed separately in a clear plastic bag through scanning.

[Rakas21]

(Original post by internetguru)
As usual the government are getting their priorities right.

1. liquid on plane legislation

2. celebrate jubilee motions

.......

99. economy/jobs/spending and all that useless stuff

In addition to the number of other bills released (and a further 3+ in the next week).

You are well aware from your time in government that we are announcing all our economic measures at the same time, in the budget to be released within the next two weeks (just finalizing the date).

[internetguru]

(Original post by Rakas21)
In addition to the number of other bills released (and a further 3+ in the next week).

You are well aware from your time in government that we are announcing all our economic measures at the same time, in the budget to be released within the next two weeks (just finalizing the date).

Ok well I'm just making sure, I don't want to see you play the weak sauce card real life parties play when they say they will do all their first election promises in their second term.

[Life_peer]

(Original post by thunder_chunky)
Btw I haven't ever had much problem with this personally. At most I've had water which I've had to thrown away to then buy water on the other side for inflated price. That said with things like mouthwash you don't have have that with you on a plane. I'm sure you can survive a plane journey without mouthwash. […]

I used mouthwash just as an example because I need to have my dental care kit available at all times – checked luggage could get lost and returning it takes tens of hours.

As an another example, and perhaps a more widely accepted one, people traveling only with cabin luggage are forced to either not carry liquids (e.g. alcoholic beverages as mentioned below) or buy them after the control point, usually more expensive.

(Original post by jesusandtequila)
[…] Of course, all the stuff above is decisions that should be made by private companies, the airlines and the airport operators - not enshrined in law. As such, I'd support the repeal of the law.

I agree. In case of flights originating from within the EU, the law should only limit them from introducing inadequate measures.

(Original post by barnetlad)
There is one advantage to the current rules- it stopped Ryanair from a 'cabin baggage only' policy. […]

From another point of view, it requires those who, for example, wanted to bring some booze with them as a form of gift to travel with two suitcases. Ideally, both options should be allowed.

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