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Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...t-7939593.html
European Rabbis who made the Holocaust comments, added: "I see no future for Jews in Germany if the ruling is upheld" -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'Because it's often done at such a young age without the consent of the person?(Original post by G56)
I really dont see how the skin being removed from the end of somebodies penis is a means of concern for the German government.
How can you mutilate a child without it's opinion for a belief ? -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'But the child has no say in it and, phrase it delicately or not, it boils down to an irreversible genital mutilation.(Original post by . . .)
Surely they have parents consent though. -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'It's amazing though how people say the government have no right to mess with people's bodies, but yet the parents can based off religion?(Original post by . . .)
Surely they have parents consent though.
It's not medical and it doesn't provide this huge benefit to health and the child might not even want to be a Jew upon growing up, so why should the parents be able to?
That's like saying they should be able to tattoo their children, because they have consent and they believe it the right thing to do. -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'A vaccination is good for a child's health. A circumcision is a lifelong aesthetic commitment, that has no health benefits apart from slightly easier hygiene down there. How can you equate the two?(Original post by . . .)
A child has no say in whether he/she wants a vaccination should we stop them too because the child cannot give consent?
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'Vaccinations prevent potential life threatening diseases and illnesses, they are on health grounds, circumcision does not, and is done on the basis of a religion.(Original post by . . .)
A child has no say in whether he/she wants a vaccination should we stop them too because the child cannot give consent?
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'This! Thank you so much.(Original post by Agenda Suicide)
It's amazing though how people say the government have no right to mess with people's bodies, but yet the parents can based off religion?
It's not medical and it doesn't provide this huge benefit to health and the child might not even want to be a Jew upon growing up, so why should the parents be able to?
That's like saying they should be able to tattoo their children, because they have consent and they believe it the right thing to do. -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'There is good scientific evidence that the vaccination is in the child's best interest, and as a parent it is the responsible thing to protect your child with a vaccination. I could be argued that refusing your child a vaccination is child neglect.(Original post by . . .)
A child has no say in whether he/she wants a vaccination should we stop them too because the child cannot give consent?
There is no good scientific evidence that I know of that circumcision is in the child's best interest. -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'it also has health benefits.(Original post by Agenda Suicide)
Vaccinations prevent potential life threatening diseases and illnesses, they are on health grounds, circumcision does not, and is done on the basis of a religion. -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'The people responsible for the holocaust are not representative of german people.(Original post by the bear)
It does not seem very sensitive of the Germans after what they did to the Jews in the Shoah
Also i support this, its a step foward to stopping religion being forced upon children. -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'Haven't most of those been debunked?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1005837AAtaIzv
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'Godwin's Law. Someone should tell these Rabbis that using arguments considered laughable even by the online community isn't going to get them anywhere. They look pretty pathetic to be honest.
Circumcision isn't a big deal. I was circumcised for medical reasons aged about 7 or 8 and it's never negatively affected my life. But anyone who tries to tell you it's OK to circumcise children for religious reasons because it's unlikely to cause much harm to the child is missing the point. The idea of performing an irreversible medical procedure on an infant to permanently brand them as part of your religion is, in the modern age, barbaric. If you think 'being traditional' alone is enough to justify an operation to forcibly remove part of someone's body when they're too young to consent, I fear for your understanding of what constitutes a just society.
Let Judaism keep its rather creepy obsession with cutting bits of skin of people's dicks - just do it at an age when the people whose dicks are being cut up can make the choice for themselves.Last edited by Chumbaniya; 13-07-2012 at 23:05. -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'In the UK, the Tattooing Of Minors Act 1969 prohibits anyone under the age of 18 having a tattoo done. Even if a parent gave consent to a tattoo artist, it would be illegal to carry it out (except for medical reasons under a medical practitioner).(Original post by Agenda Suicide)
It's amazing though how people say the government have no right to mess with people's bodies, but yet the parents can based off religion?
It's not medical and it doesn't provide this huge benefit to health and the child might not even want to be a Jew upon growing up, so why should the parents be able to?
That's like saying they should be able to tattoo their children, because they have consent and they believe it the right thing to do.
I have no problems with being circumcised as a child, I actually think it looks better.
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rcumcise.html#
Germany tells Jews and Muslims they will be free to circumcise -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'That's not a dubious website at all...(Original post by . . .)
See my previous post link.
Let's assume that all of those facts are true, and it does have health benefits. Removing a child's feet at birth would prevent a lot of fungal infections. Whilst this is an exaggerated analogy, the point remains the same: it should be the child's choice if the surgery will cause permanent physical changes to their body, unless it's a life-saving operation or something else very serious. -
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Re: Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'Okay, I think you're completely missing the point? I'm aware of the law, it's the principle? Surely you don't think there's an issue of tattooing babies?(Original post by sukee)
In the UK, the Tattooing Of Minors Act 1969 prohibits anyone under the age of 18 having a tattoo done. Even if a parent gave consent to a tattoo artist, it would be illegal to carry it out (except for medical reasons under a medical practitioner).
I have no problems with being circumcised as a child, I actually think it looks better.
Do people take everything so literally lol?
