[ledleyking123]

I have been told today that fy1 salary starts at £22,412 andd fy2 27,798.

So does the salary ever increase or is this fixed.

also speciality training is that the next stage after fy1?

[-Simon-]

Might be helpful:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1865674

Will be helpful:

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details...lt.aspx?Id=553

[MJK91]

FY1s do start on 22,412 and FY2s on 27,798, but these increase with cost-of-living increments like all NHS staff members. Each 'band' on the payscale has at least 5-6 different points, and you go up one point on the scale each year until you hit the top point of the band. From there the only way to increase your pay is to get a job of a higher banding (i.e. apply for specialty training, become a SpR, become a consultant...)

Specialty training follows your FY2 year.

[ledleyking123]

I thought agenda for change didnt apply for doctors so this banding system for docs didn;t exxist matt?

[MJK91]

Fair enough if it doesn't, I always assumed it did?

[ledleyking123]

im sure its not points based

[Carpediemxx]

http://www.hospitaldr.co.uk/features...s-for-20092010

And there is a point system for years in work, but its not the nurses one

[Beska]

There's also a TSR wiki page that might be useful: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki...octor_get_paid

[Elwyn]

Actual wages I believe are a bit more than that due to overtime etc.

[ledleyking123]

The nhs site mentions 'sas docs' or specialist doctors. Is that after fy2 how long does it take to become one

[Brianop]

It will take you about 14-15 years after graduating from medicine to be on around £75k+
But the salaries for doctors will always be 'relatively' high.

20 years after graduating and you'll be on at least £100k a year

[Helenia]

(Original post by MattKneale)
Fair enough if it doesn't, I always assumed it did?

No, doctors are not part of A4C. The "banding" that we talk about is completely different from A4C banding. Ours is related to the number/proportion of antisocial hours we do, and nothing to do with seniority. Pay does go up with seniority for doctors, but it's nothing to do with how the jobs are banded.

(Original post by ledleyking123)
The nhs site mentions 'sas docs' or specialist doctors. Is that after fy2 how long does it take to become one

SAS doctors are doctors with a varying degree of expertise who for whatever reason aren't either consultants or in a specialist training programme. They are non-career grade posts, and how much you get paid depends on how much experience you have, what the job entails (in terms of on-calls etc) and how keen they are to get you. For those jobs you generally need to be at least registrar level, so at least 2-3 years experience after F2.

There are other non-training SHO level jobs but I'm not sure they fall under the SAS umbrella. I'm in one at the moment and my basic salary is less than what is quoted on there.

[Smason5]

What is the salary like if you go into medical research instead? I'm not too bothered about salary at the moment as i chose the degree cos i was interested in it but i heard having a medical degree means you get paid more for research than if you had a science degree is this true?

[Moonkin]

Suprised. For once the OP's question was answered instead of getting moaned at for asking about the salary. Good work

[ledleyking123]

(Original post by Helenia)
No, doctors are not part of A4C. The "banding" that we talk about is completely different from A4C banding. Ours is related to the number/proportion of antisocial hours we do, and nothing to do with seniority. Pay does go up with seniority for doctors, but it's nothing to do with how the jobs are banded.


SAS doctors are doctors with a varying degree of expertise who for whatever reason aren't either consultants or in a specialist training programme. They are non-career grade posts, and how much you get paid depends on how much experience you have, what the job entails (in terms of on-calls etc) and how keen they are to get you. For those jobs you generally need to be at least registrar level, so at least 2-3 years experience after F2.

There are other non-training SHO level jobs but I'm not sure they fall under the SAS umbrella. I'm in one at the moment and my basic salary is less than what is quoted on there.

if you don't mind me asking what salary are you on, what hours?

are you SAS then?

[Helenia]

(Original post by ledleyking123)
if you don't mind me asking what salary are you on, what hours?

are you SAS then?

I'm not completely sure if I count as an SAS doctor. My official title is "junior clinical fellow" and I am basically doing an SHO-level job that is not officially recognised for training. My basic salary is the same as a CT1 in any other specialty (£29,705 this year, I think) and I am 1A banded so I get 50% extra on top of that, plus ~£2K in London weighting. My hours average 48 per week, and currently I don't do any nights but do work every other Saturday.

[digitalis]

(Original post by Helenia)
I'm not completely sure if I count as an SAS doctor. My official title is "junior clinical fellow" and I am basically doing an SHO-level job that is not officially recognised for training. My basic salary is the same as a CT1 in any other specialty (£29,705 this year, I think) and I am 1A banded so I get 50% extra on top of that, plus ~£2K in London weighting. My hours average 48 per week, and currently I don't do any nights but do work every other Saturday.

Pretty good eh!

[Helenia]

(Original post by digitalis)
Pretty good eh!

It's a pretty sweet deal atm, yes. Will probably be getting a pay cut in August though

[Renal]

(Original post by Helenia)
I'm not completely sure if I count as an SAS doctor. My official title is "junior clinical fellow" and I am basically doing an SHO-level job that is not officially recognised for training. My basic salary is the same as a CT1 in any other specialty (£29,705 this year, I think) and I am 1A banded so I get 50% extra on top of that, plus ~£2K in London weighting. My hours average 48 per week, and currently I don't do any nights but do work every other Saturday.

Sweet as.

[ledleyking123]

(Original post by Helenia)
It's a pretty sweet deal atm, yes. Will probably be getting a pay cut in August though

so does a doc always get 50% on top or you referring to overtime