[Redolent]

(Original post by paragus3)
asking me to explain that is like asking me to explain "why are pedophiles attracted to young girls?" there is no answer, nor is one relevant. The fact is its wrong as i stated in my first comment. Go and read it or dont reply.

There is no answer? But according to the logic you only just used, it is logical to be attracted to things that are different

[Redolent]

(Original post by paragus3)
There is. And the logic behind sexuality is reproduction. So what on earth are you talking about?

It is logical to reproduce only if you desire to do so. Otherwise it is not.

The human race isn't about to die out.

[Odiem23]

(Original post by thenumber2goose)
...and judging others

Absolutely . God is the only one with the right to judge. But believing that something is right or wrong according to God's law is not the same thing as judging someone (as you seem to imply).

[thunder_chunky]

(Original post by tufc)
No, but it should be discouraged.

Meh

Because it's unnatural, and leads to unwholesome relationships.

No more than straight couples.

(Original post by tufc)
I can't go out on the street any more without having brazen homosexuality thrust in my face, through gay couples holding hands, kissing, wearing Pride t-shirts.

Really? Where do you live?

They're trying to corrupt the sacred institution of marriage; they're trying to limit freedom of speech just so that no-one can offend them or damage their agenda;

Marriage isn't sacred anymore and hasn't been for decades. It's ironic really. A straight person like a celebrity gets married some five times in their live, sometimes twice within a few years just to end it soon after or have it annulled. But as soon as two people who love each other and want to marry and who happen to be of the same sex want to marry, nooooo they are corrupting marriage!
Your argument is invalid.

they demand the right to adopt children, despite the fact that Mother Nature has precluded them from raising children.

No mother nature simply precludes them from creating children without the help of science. That doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't raise children.

So such relationships do have an effect on my life, because they pollute the society I exist in.

Nonsense, I very much doubt they affect you personally in a negatiev way. And the idea that it polllutes the society you live in is nonsense.

21% of straight relationships survive four years; amongst homosexuals, that figure is only 14%.

What's your sources for that?

[amyelizabeth2681]

(Original post by pandaz)
It's as simple as that! And in the society that I live in, it's even MORE people going around spreading these lies and prejudices about homosexuals...Honest to God (although maybe I can't use His name since I'm a gay sinner hahahahahaha :P) I just don't get the rationale of some people! The best argument I've EVER heard, is "I'm not a racist, I just hate the blacks and the gays" ... Needless to say I was shocked :P

Lol don't worry, I grew up in the American Deep South and its ridiculous the utter lies people will spread just to justify their own biases. You'd think as rational human beings we'd be able to formulate views based on logic, compassion and equality, but I guess there's always a few that get lost in the rational thought process

[paragus3]

(Original post by amyelizabeth2681)
To be honest, not sure what world you live in, but heterosexuality is constantly shoved down our throats. From Armani ads depicting men and women in scantily clad underwear to the couple in the back of the bus shoving their tongue down each others throats. Seeing a rainbow coloured t-shirt suddenly seems pretty innocent to me.

Sacred institution of marriage? Really? Surely divorce was a greater threat to marriage than homosexual marriage. Heaven forbid homosexuals be allowed to get married whilst the sanctity of Britney Spears's 55 hour marriage be allowed to remain. But I digress.

Mother nature also created men and women who are infertile, yet I don't see them being barred from being allowed to adopt children. And before you give me the predictable excuse of "it's not natural for children to be raised in a household without parents of both sexes" as seems to be the common defense when confronted with logic, hate to break it to you, but there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that children who are raised by a homosexual couple will be any worse off than one raised by a straight couple. You should also remember single parent households have also become common in today's society, where only one parent (one sex) is present.

And they affect your life because you choose to be bigoted. However, THEY have no choice over their sexuality. Who's polluting society more I wonder.....

Why would an infertile woman be barred from adopting a child??? that makes absolutley no sense. Its as if adoption was made for these types of women.!

And i wonder would you let you boyfriend perform anal sex on you?? because if you wont then you contradict yourself as most women do on this subject.

[pandaz]

(Original post by Odiem23)
Yes I have read the Bible. But I fail to see the relevance of your comments to my comment. You used the word 'moral' but, as I suggested in my previous comment, its not about what you consider to be moral or what I consider to be moral - God's standards are different and much higher than human standards. The Bible talks about humans committing sins, justifying their condemnation by and revealing his true mercy to us; so yes of course immorality is mentioned within its pages. Aside from this, I'm not sure I really can respond to your comment, given the fact that it seems unrelated to mine.

But all of these actions were SANCTIONED by God, and so reflect upon His morality ... or so the Bible says! But if we're to follow the morality the Bible preaches, we might as well eliminate all women from the workplace and give them an apron instead! And all should be practice abstinence until marriage! But in any case, I thought that the moral message of the Bible was to love everyone, just as Jesus Christ did. So you can go hating on whoever you want, but I'll love all people that are kind to me, because love is the only safeguard we have in this world.

[Redolent]

(Original post by paragus3)
And i wonder would you let you boyfriend perform anal sex on you?? because if you wont then you contradict yourself as most women do on this subject.

How is that relevant in any way whatsoever

I don't even

[constantmeowage]

(Original post by paragus3)
asking me to explain that is like asking me to explain "why are pedophiles attracted to young girls?" there is no answer, nor is one relevant. The fact is its wrong as i stated in my first comment. Go and read it or dont reply.

Well...surely the answer /is/ relevant, because that would explain why it is immoral. Paedophilia is immoral because it puts children who cannot consent to the actions that are being done unto them, and puts paedophiles into positions of power of the child. (Despite this, I believe paedophiles should be helped rather than just being left to rot somewhere, for it is being clear that it is not something that many can control.) So far, you've explained that being gay is wrong because liking similar things to yourself is wrong for reasons you think aren't relevant/haven't thought up yet, that AIDS is all gay people's fault because many gay people practice anal and that any woman that wants anal must be a gay sympathiser, and that gay men should get with masculine women to fulfil their craving for masculinity.

Pray tell, what scientific base do you have for all of this?

[paragus3]

(Original post by Redolent)
There is no answer? But according to the logic you only just used, it is logical to be attracted to things that are different

Please read my comment again. That makes absolutely no sense.

[pandaz]

(Original post by amyelizabeth2681)
Lol don't worry, I grew up in the American Deep South and its ridiculous the utter lies people will spread just to justify their own biases. You'd think as rational human beings we'd be able to formulate views based on logic, compassion and equality, but I guess there's always a few that get lost in the rational thought process

Yeah, well as Voltaire said, ''Common sense is not so common'' :P But hey, as long as the never ban my Will & Grace, I'm good :P (even though I have a stash of the DVDs :P)

[alexmagpie]

(Original post by paragus3)
Many women dont do anal with their partners because the anus is designed for things to come out of it not to go in, it hurts, and i believe it is wrong. If i date a girl and she says shes ok with gay people, then she should also be ok with me performing anal sex on her because thats is what gay men do to eachother. But most women dont agree with anal sex and therefore subconsciously dont agree with homosexuality. The media makes them to think they do.

Hey, maybe she's just a giver

But seriously, that's ridiculous. Your hypothetical girlfriend isn't a gay man. Just like you aren't a gay man, so nobody is making you take it up the ass. Doesn't mean it's wrong, because you don't fancy doing it.

I don't like Thai food. Doesn't mean I disagree with the existence of Thai people.

[Redolent]

(Original post by paragus3)
Please read my comment again. That makes absolutely no sense.

Oh please

You said you are attracted to girls because they have vaginas. Vaginas are different. Therefore it is logical.

You then said, there is no answer to why paedophiles are attracted to little girls.

How do you know the answer isn't the fact that little girls are different to them, just as a vagina is different to a penis? After all, that is what you seem to think makes a sexuality justified

[Odiem23]

(Original post by pandaz)
But all of these actions were SANCTIONED by God, and so reflect upon His morality ... or so the Bible says! But if we're to follow the morality the Bible preaches, we might as well eliminate all women from the workplace and give them an apron instead! And all should be practice abstinence until marriage! But in any case, I thought that the moral message of the Bible was to love everyone, just as Jesus Christ did. So you can go hating on whoever you want, but I'll love all people that are kind to me, because love is the only safeguard we have in this world.

Yes, all should practice abstinence until marriage. One of the moral messages of the Bible is to love everyone. This is based on the demonstration of the love of God to us undeserving sinners in the Bible as even though people disregard God's will and sin against him he still sent Jesus to die for us so that we could be redeemed to him, so that all who believe in Jesus' redemptive work can be saved and reunited with God. Because of God's love to me personally I also believe that I should love other people and pray to God that he will help me love my friends and enemies (as the Bible teaches). I don't, however, understand the giving an 'apron' to women and eliminating them from the workplace or how that is related to the Bible's teachings. I think you may be mixing Biblical teachings with the cultural practices of the Israelites.

[amyelizabeth2681]

(Original post by paragus3)
Why would an infertile woman be barred from adopting a child??? that makes absolutley no sense. Its as if adoption was made for these types of women.!

And i wonder would you let you boyfriend perform anal sex on you?? because if you wont then you contradict yourself as most women do on this subject.

I was referring to the person I was quoting, who used the reasoning that same sex couples can't reproduce because Mother Nature has disallowed it, therefore they should not be allowed to adopt, and if this also applied to heterosexual couples who can't reproduce. It's called comparison. Read something properly before you quote me and make me waste my time reading what you've posted.

As to your second comment, say what? How this is even relevant to my points is beyond me. What homosexual couples decide to do in the privacy of their own bedrooms isn't my business and isn't my job to judge. They are two CONSENTING adults and my belief still stands, they are people who deserve the same rights as everyone else. Again, they are CONSENTING adults, which sort of makes your comment about what I would allow my boyfriend to do to me rather irrelevant. I hate to insult a peer, but what the hell kind of post is this? Gah stop wasting my time and actually bother formulating a well thought out argument before firing away the first thing that pops into your head.

[thunder_chunky]

(Original post by Odiem23)
you may be mixing Biblical teachings with the cultural practices of the Israelites.

Pooooooor me, the Israelite. Aah.

[paragus3]

(Original post by constantmeowage)
Well...surely the answer /is/ relevant, because that would explain why it is immoral. Paedophilia is immoral because it puts children who cannot consent to the actions that are being done unto them, and puts paedophiles into positions of power of the child. (Despite this, I believe paedophiles should be helped rather than just being left to rot somewhere, for it is being clear that it is not something that many can control.) So far, you've explained that being gay is wrong because liking similar things to yourself is wrong for reasons you think aren't relevant/haven't thought up yet, that AIDS is all gay people's fault because many gay people practice anal and that any woman that wants anal must be a gay sympathiser, and that gay men should get with masculine women to fulfil their craving for masculinity.

Pray tell, what scientific base do you have for all of this?

Read carefully, i meant WHY gay men desire anal sex is irreleant. for example why a paedophile wants sex with young girls is irrelavent (because there is no justifying it). However, deciding if its moral or not IS relevant hence this thread.

If you understood the concept of my coment it was to prove that anal sex is wrong via gay relationships. liking similar things is ok but not in this scenario. AIDS is not only from gay people but it most common from them via sperm making contact with blood. And with the rise of gays, there was a significant rise in AIDS in America several decades ago.

any woman/ man who does not agree with anal sex but agrees with homosexuality is a hypocryte.

gay men getting with masculine women was only an opinion.

[Odiem23]

(Original post by thunder_chunky)
Pooooooor me, the Israelite. Aah.

sorry (I was referring to the Israelites in Biblical times - the Israelites in the Bible)

[thunder_chunky]

(Original post by Odiem23)
sorry (I was referring to the Israelites in Biblical times - the Israelites in the Bible)

I was referring to this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S19JttIGo0Q

[Redolent]

(Original post by paragus3)
any woman/ man who does not agree with anal sex but agrees with homosexuality is a hypocryte.

Just because you don't want anal sex with your boyfriend doesn't mean you think it's wrong, which is why you asking that girl whether she would let her boyfriend have anal sex with her was irrelevant