[Time Tourist]

(Original post by Theoneoranro)
I've got better things to do. I could waste all my time trying to teach you how to be open minded, but I guess some people just aren't that bright.

Oh well, anyway you've set a great example in how not to make assumptions and ill-founded judgements about people and throw abuse and accusations around like confetti on the basis of next to nothing...


Not a million miles away from what you were accusing me of...?

[blueray]

(Original post by Bellissima)
good to see some typical DM comments at the bottom!

nice comment!

[FreeHat]

(Original post by Theoneoranro)
You're just an ignorant narrow minded idiot who's afraid of the 'scary brown and black people' who aren't quite like you, they're pretty much the same as you but there's a SLIGHT difference between you and them so you're scared of those scary new people and their scary religions, therefore you result in being an ignorant muppet and start b*tching about them.

I think you mean ****ty new people and their ****ty religions of which people are ignorant because a knowledge of a ****ty religion that by its theocratic nature cannot contribute to anything held to be valuable by Englishmen is superfluous and atavistic.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Time Tourist)
Seriously, it's too short to mention the most important parts... you would have almost finished it by now if you'd started reading before.

I skim read it and now don't understand why you linked it to me. He has neither identified something psychologically in common amongst all British people nor linked anything to Britain in particular (a love of flowers (clearly not in urban areas) and a dislike of art (clearly not amongst high society)? Can't find that anywhere else, can we?).

He hasn't answered any of my question.

[Time Tourist]

(Original post by whyumadtho)
I skim read it and now don't understand why you linked it to me. He has neither identified something psychologically in common amongst all British people nor linked anything to Britain in particular (a love of flowers (clearly not in urban areas) and a dislike of art (clearly not amongst high society)? Can't find that anywhere else, can we?).

He hasn't answered any of my question.

I'm not sure I can help you... I sense you set out to find nothing in it from the outset?

I suppose my question to you is now this... is it a peculiarity of European (and post European) nations that they have no culture they can call their own?

Japan is often cited as a comparable example; is there such a thing as Japenese culture?

I don't you, but in my mind I associate with 'Japan' certain things, things that are uniquely Japanese and are part of Japanese culture. (the tea ceremony for example, or Japanese art, or Haiku poetry).

Now a Japanese person no doubt will associate certain comparable things when the image of 'England'... whether it be the idea of the Gentleman (a uniquely English concept - no other language has a translatable word - they are all borrowed from 'Gentleman', English dress, English literature - English sport... etc)


To my mind the argument you put forward is only ever invoked to make 'multiculturalism' trivial and is inextricably linked with the politics of race and minority groups... grievance politics in the West.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Time Tourist)
I'm not sure I can help you... I sense you set out to find nothing in it from the outset?

He hasn't answered any of my questions and is pointing out a few traits and hobbies that are not specifically British or enacted by all British people.

I suppose my question to you is now this... is it a peculiarity of European (and post European) nations that they have no culture they can call their own?

Japan is often cited as a comparable example; is there such a thing as Japenese culture?

National culture (or anything psychological that is attributed to something incidental, whether that be 'black culture', 'white culture', 'size 10 shoe culture', etc.) is just a name without any specific psychological conditions; it don't 'exist' outside of an arbitrary name that has no definitive relation to anything psychological. On that note, would you claim there is such thing as 'size 10 culture'? What is the difference between shoe size culture and national culture?

Any claim to the existence of a national culture is an attempt to transpose one's idiosyncratic outlook/psychology onto other people, regardless of whether or not they personally identify with your attempt to categorise them. Two people's conception of national culture (including whether or not it exists) will never be the same, and so it cannot be said to have any basis in reality.

[Time Tourist]

(Original post by whyumadtho)
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Answer the question...

I suppose my question to you is now this... is it a peculiarity of European (and post European) nations that they have no culture they can call their own?

(are you a sociology student?)

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Time Tourist)
Answer the question...

I suppose my question to you is now this... is it a peculiarity of European (and post European) nations that they have no culture they can call their own?

(are you a sociology student?)

That question is irrelevant, as 'culture' cannot be affiliated with something incidental like one's place of birth, shoe size or category of skin colour, for example. You can identify by it, but I will invalidate any assertion that your identity is grounded in real events, because it isn't. The things that you name as national are not actually enacted by all of the citizens of the nation, which means there is no sensible reason to attribute these particular behaviours to the nation.

If I asked you what British culture is, and you gave me some defining traits, would you equally suggest any British person who does not possess any one of these traits is less British than the next person? If so, what are they? You apply this (il)logic when it comes to your understanding of 'multiculturalism'.

[Bronze Thistle]

Absolutely disgusting, cultural suicide.

[lonelyknight]

Half of me says that this is terrible, what's happening to England! And the other half is just glad that the school, hopefully, is sticking to its religion and not bending to the wishes of minorities.
So long as these muslim kids aren't taking the place of catholics who might want to go there, then I guess nothing can really be said. =S

(Original post by Theoneoranro)
You're just an ignorant narrow minded idiot who's afraid of the 'scary brown and black people' who aren't quite like you, they're pretty much the same as you but there's a SLIGHT difference between you and them so you're scared of those scary new people and their scary religions, therefore you result in being an ignorant muppet and start b*tching about them.

Oh grow up. Just because people have got a different opinion to yours doesn't make them narrow-minded or ignorant! Maybe YOU are the narrow-minded one for not letting English people have their say in matters about their own country!

[kingsarecool]

(Original post by Jaegon Targaryen)
hahaha , if a catholic kid went to a Muslim madrasa or " Musilim school " that kid would be treated unfairly we all know it .

Dumb statement you made there because the catholic school is funded by the local authority and pupils attend their for free. The muslims schools are private and pupils have to pay to attend there.

[123maz]

outnumbered by muslims

pfft its birmingham what do you expect

[im so academic]

This is a school in Britain? Doesn't seem like it.

[Theoneoranro]

(Original post by lonelyknight)
Half of me says that this is terrible, what's happening to England! And the other half is just glad that the school, hopefully, is sticking to its religion and not bending to the wishes of minorities.
So long as these muslim kids aren't taking the place of catholics who might want to go there, then I guess nothing can really be said. =S



Oh grow up. Just because people have got a different opinion to yours doesn't make them narrow-minded or ignorant! Maybe YOU are the narrow-minded one for not letting English people have their say in matters about their own country!

You're no more English than those brown kids in the article. You were born and raised here and so were they full stop, it doesn't matter if your ancestors were here first because you and your ancestors are completely different beings, you have no connection whatsoever. And anyway who cares? FFS it's time to move on, stop trying to bring back a past that you weren't even a Part of. I hope in a hundred years our great grandchildren look back at people like you and think 'wow our ancestors were such narrow minded uncivilised people' just like we look back at our ancestors and think the same thing. It's so disturbing that we cannot tolerate people who look slightly different to us.

[Theoneoranro]

(Original post by FreeHat)
I think you mean ****ty new people and their ****ty religions of which people are ignorant because a knowledge of a ****ty religion that by its theocratic nature cannot contribute to anything held to be valuable by Englishmen is superfluous and atavistic.

The world would be such a peaceful place without people like you.

[Bronze Thistle]

(Original post by Theoneoranro)
You're no more English than those brown kids in the article. You were born and raised here and so were they full stop, it doesn't matter if your ancestors were here first because you and your ancestors are completely different beings, you have no connection whatsoever. And anyway who cares? FFS it's time to move on, stop trying to bring back a past that you weren't even a Part of. I hope in a hundred years our great grandchildren look back at people like you and think 'wow our ancestors were such narrow minded uncivilised people' just like we look back at our ancestors and think the same thing. It's so disturbing that we cannot tolerate people who look slightly different to us.

Those Brown kids are not English at all, English is an ethnicity. They are not ethnically English whether you like it or not

[jumpingjesusholycow]

Does it really matter? As long as the parents are happy and the children are being educated to a decent level, what's the problem? These schools are open to everyone and it appears to be functioning well enough. Why exactly do we need to artificially inject controversy into every story that references Muslims?

[Theoneoranro]

(Original post by Bronze Thistle)
Those Brown kids are not English at all, English is an ethnicity. They are not ethnically English whether you like it or not

They're as much from this land as you are. As I said before, your ancestors don't matter because they were completely different to you. I bet you would call a white person with German grandparents English.

[Bronze Thistle]

(Original post by Theoneoranro)
They're as much from this land as you are. As I said before, your ancestors don't matter because they were completely different to you. I bet you would call a white person with German grandparents English.

As I have stated they are not English, English is an ethnicity.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

The irony is funny but it's nice that they have accepted people of different faiths.
While I'm not a fan of religious schools, I do hope schools of other faiths do the same as they do... Schools should really be scrutinised more if they don't accept those who are different. Hardly teaching religious tolerance if they don't...

Well done to them.