[RabbitCFH]

(Original post by Tommyjw)
How about we have no schools where kids have to hear about Jesus, or any other religious figure/religion, unless in classes like RE ofcourse, where we are teaching them that there is no evidence and they are simple comparable to Scientology.

That'll be the day.

It's not like those kids must go to a Catholic school. It's their choice. Well, their parents', but still.

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by SaharaDesert)
Even more ridiculous and tiresome it is when some Atheists consistently whine about having religious schools, as if it has anything to do with them.

Our education system is important to me, and should be important to everyone who lives in this country. I'm also a politics student so it has everything to do with me.

[de_monies]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
Our education system is important to me, and should be important to everyone who lives in this country. I'm also a politics student so it has everything to do with me.

If these schools are teaching the national curriculum, or better why does it really matter, unless of course they start spewing hate

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by de_monies)
If these schools are teaching the national curriculum, or better why does it really matter, unless of course they start spewing hate

Because poorer children are being excluded from these better schools.

[SaharaDesert]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
Our education system is important to me, and should be important to everyone who lives in this country. I'm also a politics student so it has everything to do with me.

They receive an education in secular subjects. The only difference being, alongside that, they incorporate teaching their religions in more detail than you would do in a typical Religious Studies lesson (which secularists also call to scrap, coincidentally ). So why is that an issue for you? What someone believes in is a personal thing; if parents consent for their children to be taught religion, then why on earth do people like you wish to meddle in their affairs?

[kaypc]

i go to a catholic school with quite a lot of muslims, it was quite awkward at first when i started and we would pray in registration and go to mass and they would be silent but now were used to it. i think in the lower school they are depriving catholics of a place at the school because there's quite a long waiting list to go there but it's not so bad in sixth form even though there's twice the number of pupils it was built for and the school does a good job of including people of other faiths.

[de_monies]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
Because poorer children are being excluded from these better schools.

Source? Most people who go to the local faith schools here are "poor" relatively speaking. For a person who studies politics, you don't have make assumptions

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by SaharaDesert)
They receive an education in secular subjects. The only difference being, alongside that, they incorporate teaching their religions in more detail than you would do in a typical Religious Studies lesson (which secularists also call to scrap, coincidentally ). So why is that an issue for you? What someone believes in is a personal thing; if parents consent for their children to be taught religion, then why on earth do people like you wish to meddle in their affairs?

If parents want to teach their kids about their religion then fine, but they should be doing it on their own time. Schools shouldn't be spending time and resources on that. That's hardly meddling in peoples affairs.

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by de_monies)
Source? Most people who go to the local faith schools here are "poor" relatively speaking. For a person who studies politics, you don't have make assumptions

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...ols-admissions

I'm not making any assumptions.

[de_monies]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...ols-admissions

I'm not making any assumptions.

Fair enough, but I'd like to see statistics on how many poor people go to university

[SaharaDesert]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
If parents want to teach their kids about their religion then fine, but they should be doing it on their own time. Schools shouldn't be spending time and resources on that. That's hardly meddling in peoples affairs.

Why shouldn't they be spending time and resources on it?

They do get an all rounded education; its not like learning about religion diminishes their time spent on the secular subjects - at least, this is what I have inferred from seeing statistics that children in religious schools perform better than their secular counterparts - but if that was the case, then I agree there would be a problem.

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by SaharaDesert)
Why shouldn't they be spending time and resources on it?

They do get an all rounded education; its not like learning about religion diminishes their time spent on the secular subjects - at least, this is what I have inferred from seeing statistics that children in religious schools perform better than their secular counterparts - but if that was the case, then I agree there would be a problem.

As above children in religious schools preform better because they take in children from middle class backgrounds. This is also off topic and has been debated a million times on this forum.

[SaharaDesert]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
As above children in religious schools preform better because they take in children from middle class backgrounds. This is also off topic and has been debated a million times on this forum.

Ok, is there any kind of evidence for that which you could link me to?

And you did not answer my question: why shouldn't the schools spend time teaching religion?

[Joe909]

(Original post by de_monies)
Proof?


Proof?



Um, just because it has a majority of pupils that are Muslims, it doesn't make it a Muslim school..


Yeah because if you're Muslim, you HAVE to speak a foreign language . I'll have you know that as more and more people of Pakistani origin are born, the less likely it is that they will know of the language of their origin



I'm central. Also, nice of you to call people morons.

I go to a school thats 73% muslim, they can all speak either Arabic, Urdu, Hindi, Persian and a multitude of others. Its the language spoken at home, not english.

[Theoneoranro]

(Original post by DanRBlake)
Oh my god what planet are you on? Are you 5 years old? Have you got on your parents computer?

If you think millions of people with genuine, valid concerns about mass immigration and the transformation of this country against the will of the population is fear of "scary brown and black people" you're deranged! So there are no threats to this country and it hasn't got a lot worse and segregated and dangerous since mass 'enrichment'? There are so many negative effects of multiculturalism and we've not even started to reap them yet. But mention them and clowns like you play the racism card which is a construct to stifle legitimate dissent.

You're obviously niaive and have no experience of reality and the macro level changes in historical terms that this country is being subjected to. It's a valid human emotion to cherish your people, where you come from and the kind of country you're a product of and to not want that completely changed.

It's human nature, our new arrivals would be horrified if their homeland was transformed but it's not ok when we do it? The only reason this perfectly logical emotion is seen as bad in this country is from years of marxist brainwashing that has created lemmings attacking the innocent and defending the guilty.

You're clearly not very bright and weak minded.

Who said I thought mass immigration was a good thing? You make no distinction between new immigrants and immigrants who came here when your great grandparents were in their nappies. You're obviously 5 years old if you think immigrants only came knocking on Britain's door yesterday. Asians and blacks have been here for YEARS, they've been here since the 1930's, a lot of them came over in the 1940's when Britain asked them to come over, when they came over they fixed this country up and built it's economy (this was all after they fought for Britain in the WW2), they worked their asses off and made a living while receiving racist abuse on a daily basis, just take a walk and see how many businesses have been set up by them, without those immigrants Britain would be no where near as wealthy as it is today, it would probably be on the level of Greece, Italy or some other less wealthy european country. They worked harder than you'll ever work in your life and they achieved a lot more than you ever will so little brats like you shouldn't tell their kids that they shouldn't be here, at least show some respect. Now the immigrants who actually do put pressure on services and cause other such issues are the recent arrivals,, Blair stupidly let the world in here and obviously I don't agree with that and it wasn't just new black and asian immigrants, it was white immigrants from places like poland who came here and had a negative impact. You need to know the difference between the immigrants who cause problems and the immigrants who came here a long time ago and built this country. And how do you know the families of the kids in the article haven't been here for years, how do you know that their great granparents didn't fight for england? How do you know how well integrated they are?

And stop using that stupid excuse of 'well they aren't tolerant so why should we be?' WTF do you even realise how stupid that is? If you think it's a good thing to be tolerant, then you be tolerant to everyone no matter what, if you don't think it's a good thing then you won't be a tolerant person. You don't like how other people aren't tolerant so you don't want to be tolerant? Are you a retard?

[Theoneoranro]

(Original post by DanRBlake)
Your grandchildren will be whispering prayers to allah. If you create a vacum something more potent will fill it and your lilly livered liberal views are a sitting duck to conquest.

You arrogantly think our ancestors were uncivilised, that betrays your niaivety. They may have been the products of their environment when we didnt have the scientific understanding we have now and life was more violent but they had morals and understood that in the short term the loss of these won't cause us to be murdered in our beds but in time it causes big problems like the social mess we're in now with greed, violence, lack of social cohensions and the inability to fight off oppression by sinister agents.

What about the tangible costs of immigration and pressure on infrastructure and security threats? Even that it's undemocratic as we were never asked. Temper that with the fact that it brings no benefit to us all? Lets hear you justify it in real terms rather than defend it with nonsense about race being a social construct.

If you think opposition to this is because "we cannot tolerate people who look slightly different to us" you're a million miles off the mark!

Who said I thought mass immigration was a good thing? You make no distinction between new immigrants and immigrants who came here when your great grandparents were in their nappies. You're obviously 5 years old if you think immigrants only came knocking on Britain's door yesterday. Asians and blacks have been here for YEARS, they've been here since the 1930's, a lot of them came over in the 1940's when Britain asked them to come over, when they came over they fixed this country up and built it's economy (this was all after they fought for Britain in the WW2), they worked their asses off and made a living while receiving racist abuse on a daily basis, just take a walk and see how many businesses have been set up by them, without those immigrants Britain would be no where near as wealthy as it is today, it would probably be on the level of Greece, Italy or some other less wealthy european country. They worked harder than you'll ever work in your life and they achieved a lot more than you ever will so little brats like you shouldn't tell their kids that they shouldn't be here, at least show some respect. Now the immigrants who actually do put pressure on services and cause other such issues are the recent arrivals,, Blair stupidly let the world in here and obviously I don't agree with that and it wasn't just new black and asian immigrants, it was white immigrants from places like poland who came here and had a negative impact. You need to know the difference between the immigrants who cause problems and the immigrants who came here a long time ago and built this country. And how do you know the families of the kids in the article haven't been here for years, how do you know that their great granparents didn't fight for england? How do you know how well integrated they are?

[Theoneoranro]

(Original post by TRS-T)
It's not about skin colour.

It's about culture.

It's just that the two are usually linked.

You're saying every person with a particular skin colour has a particular culture because you looked at those kids in the article and thought 'ewwww I want them out of here'. Since you don't know how well integrated those children are, you MUST have made your judgements on skin colour. So it is about skin colour for you.

[HomoSapiensSap]

(Original post by Time Tourist)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml



Thoughts?

What's it like for those 40 Catholic students?

In before Daily Fail etc...

Sounds like the headmaster learnt the lessons of Ray Honeyford...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obit...Honeyford.html

About Ray Honeyford - you wouldn't guess what they've renamed that Drummond Hill Road school? They've renamed it to Iqra (that's right, Iqra) Community Primary School. I searched the term 'Iqra' on google and it comes up with several sites ranging from Islam to Pakistan. Disgusting.

[FreeHat]

(Original post by Theoneoranro)
The world would be such a peaceful place without people like you.

But it would be far more peaceful without Muslims.

[Revilo1]

(Original post by FreeHat)
But it would be far more peaceful without Muslims.

And the world would be far more peaceful without any people at all...

Anyway, I don't really see an issue here - British citizens get education at a school, run by the Catholic Church. Gosh. Why does it matter if the students attending are catholic or not - surely you don't complain when catholics go to a 'secular', government run school? This whole debate is silly, and it worries me how many people seem genuinely scared about people who are different. Who cares about where someone or their parents' come from, it's not like any of us have a say in the matter.