[rock_climber86]

Hi guys,

I'm really getting into my fitness this summer and am doing a lot of rock climbing, bit of swimming and a lot of bar/pushup work. I am trying to train to do muscleups and was wondering if you guys have any advice on how to do them? I can do one arm then the other, but I'm having problems getting both arms above the bar in one go - I have a feeling i'm missing out on some technique. Can anyone here suggest how to do them and ideally link me to a good training video?

Thanks

[theandyguthrie]

Start off by doing massively exaggerated pullups, like up to your chest, then almost waist.

Once you can pullup until your waist muscleups should be close.

[theandyguthrie]

Also climbing rules.

[rock_climber86]

(Original post by theandyguthrie)
Also climbing rules.

Amen to that bro! I went climbing today again :P. Great fun! Didn't climb as hard as I would have liked though - my tendons are destroyed!

[tooosh]

My guess is that most people don't develop strength in the range of motion at the point the bar is between the chest and waist since pullups and dips don't really target that area. Exaggerated pullups would be a good idea, assisted by a machine if needed. It's more important to get into that range with assistance than to stay lower without assistance.

You can also try doing dumbbell pullovers on a steep decline as assistance work.

[theandyguthrie]

Not to mention crazy exaggerated pullups are the key to some of the massive climbing moves. If you can lift a hold all the way to your abs, and hold that with one hand while you reach the next hold - then you're ready.

[TooEasy123]

(Original post by rock_climber86)
Hi guys,

I'm really getting into my fitness this summer and am doing a lot of rock climbing, bit of swimming and a lot of bar/pushup work. I am trying to train to do muscleups and was wondering if you guys have any advice on how to do them? I can do one arm then the other, but I'm having problems getting both arms above the bar in one go - I have a feeling i'm missing out on some technique. Can anyone here suggest how to do them and ideally link me to a good training video?

Thanks

It's all about your pull-ups. High pull-ups. Explosive pull-ups. Some dip strength is required, but it isn't as important.

Another tip is to do pull-ups where you pull yourself away from the bar (keep chest away), pulling in a C shaped path, not I shaped.

And since you aren't quite there yet, kip as much as possible.

This was me a while ago, but I got worse since then. Trying to get back into it.

[rock_climber86]

(Original post by TooEasy123)
It's all about your pull-ups. High pull-ups. Explosive pull-ups. Some dip strength is required, but it isn't as important.

Another tip is to do pull-ups where you pull yourself away from the bar (keep chest away), pulling in a C shaped path, not I shaped.

And since you aren't quite there yet, kip as much as possible.

This was me a while ago, but I got worse since then. Trying to get back into it.

great video man! going to the rock climbing gym in a sec. I'll try remember your arm motions and to do that! Awesome work. Love the leg movement as you're going up too! I've never thought of that! Must give you some added momentum on the way up?

[TooEasy123]

(Original post by rock_climber86)
great video man! going to the rock climbing gym in a sec. I'll try remember your arm motions and to do that! Awesome work. Love the leg movement as you're going up too! I've never thought of that! Must give you some added momentum on the way up?

Yeah, momentum helps a lot lol. If I don't use momentum and go in upwards in an I shaped path, I get stuck. For example, like this:



I haven't seen that many people do it without momentum though, but I'm gonna try to do it eventually . But hey, I never knew muscle-ups were involved in rock climbing lol. Never thought of that for some reason.

Good luck. If you still can't do it today, there's quite a lot of tutorials on youtube I think, so just search them.

A few other things...
-thin bars make it easier
-practise negative muscle-ups (start from top and go down as slowly as possible)
-do deep dips (where you're almost falling into the pull-up)

[rock_climber86]

(Original post by TooEasy123)
I haven't seen that many people do it without momentum though, but I'm gonna try to do it eventually . But hey, I never knew muscle-ups were involved in rock climbing lol. Never thought of that for some reason.

Good luck. If you still can't do it today, there's quite a lot of tutorials on youtube I think, so just search them.

A few other things...
-thin bars make it easier
-practise negative muscle-ups (start from top and go down as slowly as possible)
-do deep dips (where you're almost falling into the pull-up)

just got back from the climbing wall. couldn't do it! I kept going up in an i-shape! Very frustrating! Can do all sorts of crazy **** but can't do muscle ups . I'll check out some tutorials Cheers

[TheJ0ker]

(Original post by rock_climber86)
just got back from the climbing wall. couldn't do it! I kept going up in an i-shape! Very frustrating! Can do all sorts of crazy **** but can't do muscle ups . I'll check out some tutorials Cheers

I take it you know how to have your hands and wrists on the bar? It's just practise, do lot's of varied pull ups and dips to develop the explosive power you need. Remember you aren't just gonna get muscle ups overnight.

[rock_climber86]

(Original post by TheJ0ker)
I take it you know how to have your hands and wrists on the bar? It's just practise, do lot's of varied pull ups and dips to develop the explosive power you need. Remember you aren't just gonna get muscle ups overnight.

how do you put the hands? I think i've got the power but i cant turn into the bar. I get my arms into a horizontal lock position but can't turn into a vertical if that makes sense?

[TooEasy123]

(Original post by rock_climber86)
just got back from the climbing wall. couldn't do it! I kept going up in an i-shape! Very frustrating! Can do all sorts of crazy **** but can't do muscle ups . I'll check out some tutorials Cheers

(Original post by rock_climber86)
how do you put the hands? I think i've got the power but i cant turn into the bar. I get my arms into a horizontal lock position but can't turn into a vertical if that makes sense?

Haha, it takes time, don't worry. Try swinging forwards and backwards a little bit... and when you are coming back towards the bar, that's when you should pull upwards. You can also try this from 90 degree arm position and it might make it easier.

I think he's talking about the false grip. That means you put your whole hand over the bar so part of your wrist is where the pressure is. This way you don't have to change your grip as you pull upwards. You don't have to do it like that though - my pull-ups are quite weak using that grip, so I just do it with a regular grip.

Next time just use as much legs as possible lol. trust me you'll get over, even if it's ugly looking I saw a fat guy on youtube do it like that :P

From what you say, you have enough power to do them, it could just be technique letting you down. It's all about timing. You have to switch your grip over the bar at a certain point. If you leave it too late then you get to horizontal like you did, but can't seem to go vertical. Too early isn't good either

EDIT: ideally you want to be able to pull the bar to your stomach. with momentum i can do that, but without momentum i can only reach my mid-chest. so i need to practise them more too.

[TooEasy123]

(Original post by rock_climber86)
how do you put the hands? I think i've got the power but i cant turn into the bar. I get my arms into a horizontal lock position but can't turn into a vertical if that makes sense?

Have you made any progress since? Also, what kinda strength moves related to rock climbing can you do? Just curious. I'm not too familiar on it, but I'm interested

[rock_climber86]

(Original post by TooEasy123)
Have you made any progress since? Also, what kinda strength moves related to rock climbing can you do? Just curious. I'm not too familiar on it, but I'm interested

I nearly did it. I can do pullups to my lower rib cage now. Working on the c-movement. I injured my knee climbing on sunday so am on crutches . I stretched a ligament the hospital people said. No idea how long im' out for .

sucks cos i was getting really strong this summer

[TooEasy123]

(Original post by rock_climber86)
I nearly did it. I can do pullups to my lower rib cage now. Working on the c-movement. I injured my knee climbing on sunday so am on crutches . I stretched a ligament the hospital people said. No idea how long im' out for .

sucks cos i was getting really strong this summer

That sucks. Nice on the pull-ups though. Are you using your legs to get the height? If not, you should be there already to be honest. Don't rest completely. Do stuff that doesn't use your legs

I did a muscle-up with pretty much perfect form today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt_Y_iPL58k

[rock_climber86]

(Original post by TooEasy123)

I did a muscle-up with pretty much perfect form today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt_Y_iPL58k

nice one mate! you make it look so easy! I also noticed how you made your hand turn around! Also will the bar diameter make a difference. the bar i train on is quite big and my hand doesn't go completely around it. Also there is so much friction I find i can't turn on it when going up - it's like made of scaffolding

Not making excuses - think it's my crap technique, grrr.