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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????Well I wouldn't do it - you would believe that if you saw my tutors!!(Original post by tammy2012)
Humour and truth with a justification for good measure - v. interesting indeed!
I was referring to the examples given above. I shall now be watching for such suspicious behaviour on the LLB
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????"That said (and I assume that Tammy will just quote the first para), a large number of people were pleasantly surprised by the results they achieved in the above mentioned exams - myself included. In fact, the second highest mark I received was in the crim lit paper."
The marks for these exams have been artificially increased for some students (via the 'scaling' process), probably in order to silence the complaints post-results!
"I think this shows that while there were problems in the papers, they still allowed those students who had adequately prepared for them to pass."
I'd love to know what the real pass rate was prior to 'scaling'. I bet loads of currently v.happy students would be v.sad and complaining students!
"As for the number of past papers which were given out, it is true that some providers gave out fewer papers than others."
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????Chummyness is present on every course. There will always be students who show immense interest/get along with the tutors and are able to benefit from this relationship. I actually do not see any problem with this, within reason; any student who seeks out further knowledge is merely displaying a passion for the subject or, at the very least, a desire to do well.
I would draw the line at tutors revealing exam topics or providing so much extra information that the student is placed at a significant advantage over other students. However as long as the general standard of teaching is good, I do not see this being a problem. -
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????Point 1: A lot of papers will have marks adjusted - it happened in the ADR paper at my provider. So long as the scaling corrects any unfairness in the paper itself, I see no problem.(Original post by tammy2012)
Point 1 "That said (and I assume that Tammy will just quote the first para), a large number of people were pleasantly surprised by the results they achieved in the above mentioned exams - myself included. In fact, the second highest mark I received was in the crim lit paper."
The marks for these exams have been artificially increased for some students (via the 'scaling' process), probably in order to silence the complaints post-results!
Point 2"I think this shows that while there were problems in the papers, they still allowed those students who had adequately prepared for them to pass."
I'd love to know what the real pass rate was prior to 'scaling'. I bet loads of currently v.happy students would be v.sad and complaining students!
Point 3 "As for the number of past papers which were given out, it is true that some providers gave out fewer papers than others."
This is clearly unfair. Students should have access to the same information in order to prepare for exams.
In any event, complaints were not silenced and the BSB should be reporting on the centrally set exams.
Point 2: See above.
Point 3: You have misquoted me here. I don't like that. If you took the BPTC, did you by any chance fail ethics? I said that while some providers gave out more mock papers than others, I do not believe that this made a difference in the end. -
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????"Point 3: You have misquoted me here. I don't like that. If you took the BPTC, did you by any chance fail ethics? I said that while some providers gave out more mock papers than others, I do not believe that this made a difference in the end. "(Original post by InnerTemple)
I'll hold my hands up to being one of the very annoyed people who complained about the centrally set exams. I still believe that it is without a doubt that these exams were not conducted in a proper way and I think that this is reflected by the responses of some of the BPTC providers.
That said (and I assume that Tammy will just quote the first para), a large number of people were pleasantly surprised by the results they achieved in the above mentioned exams - myself included. In fact, the second highest mark I received was in the crim lit paper.
I think this shows that while there were problems in the papers, they still allowed those students who had adequately prepared for them to pass.
As for the number of past papers which were given out, it is true that some providers gave out fewer papers than others. However I don't think this made much difference anyway since the questions on the actual test papers were often quite different to those on the mocks.
Did I really misquote you?
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????I apologise. You took my quote out of context - something which appears to be a hobby of yours.(Original post by tammy2012)
"Point 3: You have misquoted me here. I don't like that. If you took the BPTC, did you by any chance fail ethics? I said that while some providers gave out more mock papers than others, I do not believe that this made a difference in the end. "
Did I really misquote you?
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????Apology accepted. InnerTemple I understood the point you were trying to make, but I just disagree with it.
It seems to me that this is an access to information issue. Which in my opinion should be consistent between providers.
Deny / reduce access to the learning materials (past papers / mocks, etc) and this will decrease the students chances of success. -
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????No idea. Does it matter? My friend studied law at a different uni to me. For some of his modules he had more lectures and was issued with a book better than my institution's recommended text.(Original post by tammy2012)
BTW is it true that some institutions provided their students with high quality revision notes for their exams?
On the other side of the coin, my university had many more revision lectures and quite a few opportunities for students to sit mock papers.
Education is not uniform. Each university will approach courses in a different way. Surely you understand this? -
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????"Education is not uniform. Each university will approach courses in a different way. Surely you understand this?"
I understand your point and it is a good one, because it highlights the inherent unfairness in the system.
The education between the providers is not uniform i.e. some are superior to others i.e. some have higher first attempt pass rates than others.
Yet the centrally set assessments are uniform and the exit standards between providers are also supposed to be uniform i.e. a VC from X should be equivalent to a VC from Y etc.
Wouldn't it be fairer and make more sense for all the learning materials and the assessments to be centrally set? So that everyone has the same chances of success.
Provided of course that it was done fairly!
Obviously you can't have the same tutors at all providers (etc) so some things would still remain not being uniform. -
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So let me get this straight, you've spent the last few days complaining about the changes the BSB has made to the course, and now your solution is to make it more centrally controlled?(Original post by tammy2012)
"Education is not uniform. Each university will approach courses in a different way. Surely you understand this?"
I understand your point and it is a good one, because it highlights the inherent unfairness in the system.
The education between the providers is not uniform i.e. some are superior to others i.e. some have higher first attempt pass rates than others.
Yet the centrally set assessments are uniform and the exit standards between providers are also supposed to be uniform i.e. a VC from X should be equivalent to a VC from Y etc.
Wouldn't it be fairer and make more sense for all the learning materials and the assessments to be centrally set? So that everyone has the same chances of success.
Provided of course that it was done fairly!
Obviously you can't have the same tutors at all providers (etc) so some things would still remain not being uniform.
This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad AppLast edited by Bar None; 19-07-2012 at 21:30. -
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????I'm not opposed to centrally set assessments at all as long as they are conducted properly and fairly.(Original post by Bar None)
So let me get this straight, you've spent the last few days complaining about the changes the BSB has made to the course, and now your solution is to make it more centrally controlled?
This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App
This would include e.g.
1)Everyone having access to the same learning materials in all subjects
2)All FT students having the same exams (according to a FT timetable)
3)All PT students having the same exams (according to a PT timetable)
4)No 60% in each part nonsense
5)No exams bunched together
6)All assessments to be centrally marked (not locally marked)
7)Several/Unlimited Re-Sit opportunities
That's just for starters! -
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????I think it's quite clear at this point that tammy has no interest in having a proper debate on anything. Basically, the pattern is that she will heavily criticise an aspect of the BPTC, usually with little or no justification. As soon as strong counter arguments are made to her (usually inherently flawed) points, she will move on to another thread or post an entirely different question within the same thread. Throughout this process she actively ignores any question requesting details of her educational background, including the simple question of whether or not she has done the BPTC.(Original post by chalks)
Come on, if you want to have a proper debate let's have one.
She is effectively the Student Room Legal Careers forum equivalent of a troll. Unfortunately due to the nature of the forum and the nature of what she is posting about, people are continually responding to her. Though the silver lining to that is that hopefully there are sufficiently strong rebuttals of her points wherever she has made them that those casually browsing the forum will be unlikely to be taken in by her nonsense. -
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????How about you have a crack at answering my questions, before you start raising new ones?(Original post by tammy2012)
Does anybody know how many Re-Sit opportunities are available with the NY bar exam and the California bar exam, etc? -
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Re: BPTC 2012 1 Re-Sit rationale????It's all a matter of perspective. Personally I'd consider undermining your posts so that people who read them are less likely to be taken in by your baseless ramblings to be exceptionally useful.(Original post by tammy2012)
Stick to the topic Crazy Jamie - so far you've added nothing useful whatsoever about the thread!Last edited by Crazy Jamie; 20-07-2012 at 11:06.
