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B468 - Restrictions of Trade Unions Activity Bill 2012 (Third Reading)

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    (Original post by Lipvig)
    My issue is simple. If under 16's must remain in compulsory education, cannot get married, cannot gamble, are under the age of consent and don't even have a national insurance card (unless they're 15, although that's only because they have to get it before they're 16), then why should they be seen as old enough to join a trade union?
    Well said, the trade union represents none of their interests.
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    Well said, the trade union represents none of their interests.
    So should people only be able to join civil society organisations if they strictly represent "their interest"?
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    (Original post by Lipvig)
    My issue is simple. If under 16's must remain in compulsory education, cannot get married, cannot gamble, are under the age of consent and don't even have a national insurance card (unless they're 15, although that's only because they have to get it before they're 16), then why should they be seen as old enough to join a trade union?
    All of that is irrelevant. If they are working they deserve the same rights as the rest of the workers.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    So should people only be able to join civil society organisations if they strictly represent "their interest"?
    no, but its a bit pointless. If you're over 16, you've probably made the decision alone. While there are some 13 year olds who can make that educated decision to join a union or organisation, there are many more who will have been forced into it by their parents. It reduces the integrity of the union when it has to resort to using children who aren't directly affected by its workings.
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    Besides, if children cannot vote for a government, why should they vote for a union rep?
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    (Original post by Lipvig)
    Besides, if children cannot vote for a government, why should they vote for a union rep?
    ...Because unions are voluntary self-governing organisations and should decide how they manage themselves.
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    I wholeheartedly agree with all provisions of this bill. Trade unions persistently hold the entirety of society to ransom over disputes within tiny sectors of it. It is about time they were brought under control, and to respect the principle of allowing 'managers to manage' during times of economic turbulance for the good of the country at large.

    It is about time the rules of trade union balloting were brought to respect the principle of democracy. When only 1 in 10 workers vote to strike, as we are seeing with the PCS union, this does not constitute a mandate to do so, and to then claim that the union 'as a whole' has decided to strike is characteristically ludicrous.

    This bill and its author have the entirety of my support.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    "No." Unions are an essential public utility and should not be incrementally tampered with each time some right-winger wants to satisfy their fetish for Victorian era enterprise. There is no legitimate reason for the state to further strip working people of what little economic power they have afforded to them by virtue of the collectivism they voluntarily engage in.



    (Out of interest, would you consider yourself a socialist?)
    Partly socialist. I wouldn't take the massive step however, to join the Socialist party which you are in.

    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Rory - To be honest the best i was hoping for from Labour was one or two abstainers anyway, the reason for the multiple readings is to create a better bill and also attempt to get Liberal Democrats and Libertarians on side whilst still achieving my goals.
    Firstly, you may not get a reply to your point if you don't use the quote feature of the forum. I could have easily missed this. In response to your point, I understand why you may want more readings to make improvements and get more people on your side, but if the fundamental principles and ideas of this bill are flawed then you'll still not get the backing of me and others with the same broad view as me.
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    TSR does not always work properly for me (times out on some pages) and the mods have not been able to rectify it so i cannot always quote.. True but as i said i don't expect socialists to back it anyway.
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