[pshewitt1]

(Original post by The Blind Monk)
Guys, keep it civil.

My input on protein intake is the following:
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...ein_debate.htm

This is the best and most reasonable discussion I've seen of protein intake for people who actually lift. Some choice tidbits (I'll put some more up in the morning)






There is clearly a limit to the amount of protein that can be used to synthesise muscle at any given time. It's just that to the best of my knowledge, nobody knows exactly what that limit is. In general though, I agree with HFerguson: the research doesn't seem to support the idea that you need to consume 6-8 meals of protein.

but the last sentence says that protein synthesis is turned off after 1-2 hours?

[pshewitt1]

(Original post by HFerguson)
Are you one of those medics? Cos I'm a medic too, and the whole "you should never have more than 30g of protein in one sitting" is total bull**** broscience.

Although there may be a maximum rate at which amino acids can be uptaken into the blood stream, that will more than likely be limited by the rate at which proteins can be broken down in the stomach and intestines.

I'd prefer methods and concepts that have been empirically proven over broscience that has been "tried and tested" - because those trials and testings weren't controlled, and there could be confounding factors. Some people go "oh bro you need at least 200g of protein per day cos it's what's worked for hundreds of bodybuilders, and as soon as I upped my protein, my lifts went up/ I gained more muscle", even though they fail to account for different training methods or greater carb intake or more sleep etc etc etc. Bodybuilding is so complex and has hundreds of variables which can never be fully controlled for. Saying that, I will always choose empirical evidence first.


How much protein you need vs when or how often you consume protein - totally ****ing different issues.

I really can't see where you haven't agreed with me? your middle paragraph is exactly what I stated, nowhere did I say 30g? but it is limited.

[Javilionaire]

(Original post by pshewitt1)
hmm, well we can ignore the degree which I should be getting and my own progress... I was only looking to help from 6 years personal experience, I'll just keep it to myself.

http://www.bodylinesgym.uk.com/gym.html

how many 'body of 'whichever town' competitions has your gym won? and heavy lifting competitions..

Okay, my gym is owned by penguins, but I still make amazing gains. It makes no difference what so ever.

Have a look into intermittent fasting. You lose virtually no muscle and the fat just melts off you. All of your food consumption is within a 4-6 hour window.

[pshewitt1]

(Original post by Javilionaire)
Okay, my gym is owned by penguins, but I still make amazing gains. It makes no difference what so ever.

I'm not saying anything against you dude, just saying that the people at my gym do know what they're talking about , they've lifted all their lives and are around 30-50 years old, there's even a 62 year old!! it sure helps on the motivation and good form front! before joining my lat raises were terribly poor form, now I have to do these swan like flying things :L but you actually notice a huge difference

noticing your edit: they have another name for that? fat loss isn't a problem for me though, I can't even get it past 10% not even after my 6000 calorie a day bulk :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHfdaH70ybc dear gawdd

[kka25]

(Original post by pshewitt1)
please explain how you know more than 5 3rd year medics and a 5th year...

If this is what you tell your future patients or anyone for that matter, I'd leave your practice and will never come back. Learn to re-structure your words..

[The Blind Monk]

(Original post by pshewitt1)
but the last sentence says that protein synthesis is turned off after 1-2 hours?

Yes. But have a read of the following:
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...a-single-meal/

(Original post by Alan Aragon)
Soeters and colleagues compared two weeks of IF involving 20-hour fasting cycles with a conventional diet [13]. Despite the IF group’s consumption of an average of 101 g protein in a 4-hour window, there was no difference in preservation of lean mass and muscle protein between groups.

In another example, Stote and colleagues actually reported an improvement in body composition (including an increase in lean mass) after 8 weeks in the IF group consuming one meal per day, where roughly 86 g protein was ingested in a 4-hour window [14]. Interestingly, the conventional group consuming three meals spread throughout the day showed no significant body composition improvements.

I've also read some stuff to the effect that it's important to have peaks and valleys in blood amino levels to grow optimally. I will try and find a useful reference on the matter tomorrow/when I'm next free.

[pshewitt1]

(Original post by The Blind Monk)
I'll get back at you tomorrow with a more detailed reply but to my understanding, there's been some relevant research that appears to imply that the peaks and valleys in the amount of amino acid levels are an important part of getting bigger.

ok thanks dude

[When you see it...]

(Original post by Brotherhood)
Both wrong.

So you disagree with the statement 'your body can only absorb a certain amount in a given time'? Surely that means that you believe you can absorb stuff at as high a rate as you want. Could I absorb 5 million grams in a second?

[When you see it...]

(Original post by Brotherhood)
x

nvm I read your more recent posts.

[Brotherhood]

(Original post by When you see it...)
So you disagree with the statement 'your body can only absorb a certain amount in a given time'? Surely that means that you believe you can absorb stuff at as high a rate as you want. Could I absorb 5 million grams in a second?

No, I disagreed with it being pointless having 80g protein in one serving as I made clear in my subsequent points.

[RollandGarros]

(Original post by silent ninja)
The amount of exercise you say you do, and you're going on a Carb free diet? Whose idea is this and why? Glucose is your body's preferred energy source and you get that most easily from carbs!
you gonna fast or something?

(Original post by sil3nt_cha0s)
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2059875

seems like he's going to eat 1500kcal a day, 60g carbs or less each day, do regular 20km runs and intense gym work

(Original post by silent ninja)
If he manages to do all that, it won't be intense/full effort by any stretch so you have to ask what's the point. That sounds like the perfect plan to get the physique of a 13 year old boy.

Basically, i'm currently an amateur boxer. A very good and blessed one infact with a record of 15 fights, 15 wins, 14 by way of knockout. Due to the nature of my middleweight boxing, I have to keep my BW down and hence have to go on intense carb-free cuts after bulking because I do simultaneously want a ripped body (look at Floyd Mayweather).

This is why i'm eating an incredible amount of protein, a very low amount of carbs and working exceptionally hard to get a muscular look, with low BF% but still makes the middleweight division for my weigh in when I sign my pro contract very soon of 168 pounds.

So yes, it's not the traditional 200 pound+ arnie-wannabe bodybuilding plan, but it's because of the nature of my sport.

[When you see it...]

(Original post by Brotherhood)
No, I disagreed with it being pointless having 80g protein in one serving as I made clear in my subsequent points.

lol I know I was pulling your leg.

[RollandGarros]

(Original post by pshewitt1)
pointless even having 80 gram shakes... you can only absorb so much per hour

My shakes contain 40g of protein, I clearly mentioned I take two a day to make 80g...

[pshewitt1]

(Original post by RollandGarros)
My shakes contain 40g of protein, I clearly mentioned I take two a day to make 80g...

you said 2 80g to make 160g...

[RollandGarros]

(Original post by pshewitt1)
you said 2 80g to make 160g...

No the other protein comes from natural food sources like lentils and kidney beans and chick peas and quorn products, you dummy.

[SpiggyTopes]

Don't waste your money.

[RollandGarros]

(Original post by SpiggyTopes)
Don't waste your money.

I pay for quality, hence I only buy maximuscle. Myprotein or similar websites could be 2pence a kilogram but i'll stay pay £40 a kg for maximuscle

[pshewitt1]

(Original post by RollandGarros)
I pay for quality, hence I only buy maximuscle. Myprotein or similar websites could be 2pence a kilogram but i'll stay pay £40 a kg for maximuscle

phds better, no debate maxi muscle is just overpriced ... My protein is also just as effective as maxi muscle.. There isn't even a need to supplement, so long as you're eating enough...

[RollandGarros]

(Original post by pshewitt1)
phds better, no debate maxi muscle is just overpriced ... My protein is also just as effective as maxi muscle.. There isn't even a need to supplement, so long as you're eating enough...

Well if you saw my recent post, it's to go on an 8-week cut, so i'm taking promax diet from maximuscle, which i'm not even sure my protein do

[pshewitt1]

I presume all of us on here will be watching panorama tonight on why supplements don't work?