[Tsunami2011]

(Original post by Kiss)


Looks pretty black to me, your pedantic assertion that he´s not black is wrong . Don´t be an annoying **** please

Are you being serious? It is not being pedantic. His mother is 100 % white. How on earth can you claim that he is 'black'. Society may consider anyone with a drop of black as a black person, but that's a discussion for another day. Ferdinand is as much black as he is white.

[Dbrown18]

Even spurs fans call them selves yids. They have chants about it!

Ridiculous to suggest frimpong was racist.

This thread is an embarrassment.

[Ice Constricter]

(Original post by TRS-T)
I think it is pretty dumb how white people have to say 'the N word'

They should be allowed to say '******' as long as they aren't saying it in a derogatory way.

You don't hear grown adults saying 'the F word' and 'the S word'

But not every black person uses the.......**** it, not all blacks say ****** ffs. Use your ****ing brain!

[Ice Constricter]

And why does everyone still take this 'Skill' guy seriously? Essentially a racist guy who trolls on student forums pretending to be a girl while starting retarded threads like this!

[SubAtomic]

(Original post by Kiss)
To be honest, I don´t think saying ´Black C***´ is racist.

Me neither, mind you, thinking about it a bit more, if someone just said it out the blue then it would be quite out of order according to my rule book, if he'd wound someone up then it would be a heated response, it is more an observational slur. He might be being a **** and he is black. Don't know what that other guy is saying, heard a black mate calling his little brother a black **** a fair few times, don't think he has a problem with his race.

[SubAtomic]

(Original post by Tsunami2011)
Are you being serious? It is not being pedantic. His mother is 100 % white. How on earth can you claim that he is 'black'. Society may consider anyone with a drop of black as a black person, but that's a discussion for another day. Ferdinand is as much black as he is white.

The top he is wearing is white his hair is black, what colour do you think he sees himself as?

[Ice Constricter]

(Original post by SubAtomic)
Me neither, it is more an observation. He is a **** and he is black. Don't know what that other guy is saying, heard a black mate calling his little brother a black **** a fair few times, don't think he has a problem with his race.

Doesn't ****ing matter what you or kiss boy think. Fact is most people will interpret it as racist. Just like if I called David Cameron a white piece of ****!

[SubAtomic]

(Original post by Ice Constricter)
Doesn't ****ing matter what you or kiss boy think. Fact is most people will interpret it as racist. Just like If I called David Cameron a white piece if ****!

Calm down love, you once had a female sign next to your name, so you are a morph.

Plus it is not what I think it is what I heard with my own ears. Might utter it myself if someone really pissed me off, if someone Jewish was winding me up I could say something like **** off you Jewish ****. Might feel a little bad after but shiz happens in the heat of the moment.

You could call Cams a white piece off ****, if you think he is a piece of ****, he looks white to me, so go for it.

Plus 'most' people are sheeple so who cares relly?

Am open to a constructive reason to not even say it in the heat of the moment if you can put one together.

Then I will have to tell my African pal to stop saying crazy white people.

[Pankeu]

(Original post by Skill)
We've just seen this whole scandal about John Terry and the outburst of disgust from black professionals about the verdict of the case.

We then see Rio Ferdinand ironically use racist slang.

But I'm going to use another example. Emmanuel Frimpong of Arsenal posted 'scum yid' to a Spurs supporter sometime this week. This is a racist term. I heard a Jew say that it is the equivalent of saying 'Nig army'. This isn't even to do with white people so no slavery excuses this time.

I don't get why no black footballers are appauled at that comment? They always throw out racism accusations but when one of their own give it out it'll just be ignored.

You can't say that Frimpong has a right to say yid as Spurs supporters openly use that term. I mean, Jay Z and Kanye West just released a song called '****** in paris'. Does that mean anyone who isn't black is allowed to call black people *******?

Heck just look at this http://www.meetup.com/find/?keywords...set=0&psize=30

If that doesn't provide you with the search results put 'black people' in the search engine. They have groups like 'black professionals' 'black singles' 'black entreprenuers' 'black women'.

I wonder what all these black professional footballers think about this?

First of all, slavery isn't an excuse nor a reason to be outright racist; if you're going to preach about racism, make sure you're not contradicting yourself.

Frimpong has no right to discriminate against anybody or to use racially derogatory terms than John Terry did using Ferdinand's race as part of an insult. You're using two similar examples and trying to set them apart at different spectrums; both are wrong, both are discrimination.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Pyramidologist)
Most ''Blacks'' self-hate the true Negroid phenotype (nappy hair, wide nose) so they will attempt to redefine ''Black'' to include people who are mixed race. So for example most ''Blacks'' consider someone who is 1/4 Negroid but 3/4 Caucasoid (''white'') to be ''Black''. This way they can claim other racial traits are theirs - its a self-hatred you see on most forums and among most ''Blacks''.

What the hell are you talking about? The 'one-drop rule' was codified in numerous states during the Jim Crow era and legally classified anybody who was deemed to have any 'African blood' as being 'black'. Who do you think created the policies in that era? 'Black' people?

You're full of ****.

[Ice Constricter]

(Original post by SubAtomic)
Calm down love, you once had a female sign next to your name, so you are a morph.

Plus it is not what I think it is what I heard with my own ears. Might utter it myself if someone really pissed me off, if someone Jewish was winding me up I could say something like **** off you Jewish ****. Might feel a little bad after but shiz happens in the heat of the moment.

You could call Cams a white piece off ****, if you think he is a piece of ****, he looks white to me, so go for it.

Plus 'most' people are sheeple so who cares relly?

Am open to a constructive reason to not even say it in the heat of the moment if you can put one together.

Then I will have to tell my African pal to stop saying crazy white people.

I don't give a **** about what you say or don't say with your friends. Thats beside the point. With your friends you all know each others boundaries. Hell I regularly call my Muslim friend a terrorist piece of **** and no offence is taken cause we're friends and he knows I'm just messing.

But with strangers you aren't sure when you push boundaries because no line has been drawn since they're a total stranger, making you unaware when you cross that line. Hell some people are so highly strung you can just smile at them and it'll end up back firing on you because they think you're taking the piss.

So basically all I'm saying is that most people will interpret it as racist. I mean there are so many insults you could throw at someone, why bring their race into it. Even if you aren't racist it'll definitely seem as if you are.

[pedmond]

I ****ing hate when someone has to use another persons skin tone to describe someone or point them out in a quiet way and its immediately accused of being racist.


Definition for racist:
Web definitions:
a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

So if I say that man is black does not mean that I think that because he is black I am better than him. Honestly.

Other than using it for practical reasons it shouldnt even be a factor, eg: on the news and when someone is robbed and we are told HE WAS BLACK. And? It doesn't matter. If it transpires later on that they are racists then ok tell us then but not now. I don't care. Its not going to make me think any differently about a robbery.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

(Original post by pedmond)
I ****ing hate when someone has to use another persons skin tone to describe someone or point them out in a quiet way and its immediately accused of being racist.

When does this happen?

Apart from that I agree.

[pedmond]

Just pointing someone out in a crowd (although I can't imagine why that would be needed) Could be used by paramedics and police to describe victims or suspects to positive i.d them but now its called IC Codes to get past that. Every race has a code. That's the only reason I cant give for that one. It seemed like a more reasonable argument in my head.

[Lilahx]

I've personally never seen a black person take offence to racism from another black person. Some can also be very unnaprochable on any matter regarding race at all. I generally wouldn't bother because I'll instantly be challenged, or called racist if I do approach.


I also don't like the way some seem to take up any opportunity to call somebody racist, or manipulate racism to get what they want.

I thoroughly believe many of them would hate the word racist to lose its power.

Everybody talks about Muslims but Black people get more special treatment than any minority at all.

[Spaz Man]

All that I've learnt from this whole sordid affair is that footballers are stupid. Shock horror!

[Lilahx]

(Original post by pedmond)
I ****ing hate when someone has to use another persons skin tone to describe someone or point them out in a quiet way and its immediately accused of being racist.


Definition for racist:
Web definitions:
a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

So if I say that man is black does not mean that I think that because he is black I am better than him. Honestly.

Other than using it for practical reasons it shouldnt even be a factor, eg: on the news and when someone is robbed and we are told HE WAS BLACK. And? It doesn't matter. If it transpires later on that they are racists then ok tell us then but not now. I don't care. Its not going to make me think any differently about a robbery.

The people who are abusing the word racist are rarely called upon as to why thy keep doing it. It's just a way for somebody to use fear, intimidation To get what they want.

I remember Cheryl Cole being called racist for not puttin enough black people through to the XFactor Live Shows a few years ago.

[Lilahx]

(Original post by Dbrown18)
Even spurs fans call them selves yids. They have chants about it!

Ridiculous to suggest frimpong was racist.

This thread is an embarrassment.

Well to Semites it is offensive. It is racist.
Many football chants use the term Yid in an offensive manner toward Jews.

[Dbrown18]

(Original post by Lilahx)
Well to Semites it is offensive. It is racist.
Many football chants use the term Yid in an offensive manner toward Jews.

Its about context, and its obvious what context frimpong used the term in. Spurs fans, call themselves yids, due to history around the club. Its not used in a malicious context, theres nothing wrong with it.

Park Ji sung was an asian united player for about 7 years, and united fans would frequently reference the fact that his homeland is known for eating dogs in way that made it seem strange.
Did he find this racist? No, because the context it was used in wasnt malicious.

Common sense and actual knowledge of the game needs to be used here.

[pedmond]

(Original post by Dbrown18)
Its about context, and its obvious what context frimpong used the term in. Spurs fans, call themselves yids, due to history around the club. Its not used in a malicious context, theres nothing wrong with it.

Park Ji sung was an asian united player for about 7 years, and united fans would frequently reference the fact that his homeland is known for eating dogs in way that made it seem strange.
Did he find this racist? No, because the context it was used in wasnt malicious.

Common sense and actual knowledge of the game needs to be used here.

Like when WBA fans called Hodgson Woy and have banners us that showed off his speech impediment. They were supportive of the man and where taken in good humour.

The front page of the sun was just a farce.