[NoreenK]

Is anyone watching this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l1yl6

As Ramadan approaches, this documentary tells the little-known story of three English gentlemen who embraced Islam at a time when to be a Muslim was to be seen to be a traitor to your country. Through personal journeys of still surviving relatives, the programme looks at their achievements and how their legacy lives on today.

I'm finding it very interesting.

[B-Man.]

(Original post by NoreenK)
this documentary tells the little-known story of three English gentlemen who embraced Islam at a time when to be a Muslim was to be seen to be a traitor to your country.

You mean the present?

[Truthman]

Think about it, the bbc happily show documentaries about their own britz converting to islam and therefore giving islam validity, but they NEVER tell the people about what islam actually teaches. Like for example, anyone in the west can convert to islam and be protected by the law, but in lands where muslims rule they kill people who leave islam to become christians, atheists, etc.. People have a right to know the truth about islam instead this sugared false islam which is not found in any ofn trhe authentic and authoritativeness islam books. Westerners are beibg tranqualized into believing that islam is a peaceful religion and that it can exist in harmony with western freedom and democracy. The people that believe that are delusional and they turn a blind eye to the reality of isalm. There will be an extremely high price for the west to pay for this blindness and denial.

The bbc is one of the biggest islamic propaganda machines in the west. The head of the bbc' religious department is a muslim, this means that the bbc will never be able to produce programmes which look at islam, muhummad, koran without calling into question their own judgement:

It's a television first, claims the BBC Press Office. Then there is the BBC's HEAD OF RELIGION of Aaqil Ahmed, who COMMISSIONED THE SERIES. (life of muhummad) Aaqil said there was a round of applause (from a muslim audience who got a special screening) at the end of the first episode. . http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/...cumentary-live

True dhimmi's at the BBC. They will mock jesus but admit that they would never mock muhummad. http://www.christian.org.uk/news/wel...says-bbc-boss/

As for the BBC, it already self-regulates when it comes to reporting on Islam. Consider a recent 700-word article on the proliferation of honor-based violence in Britain, in which the BBC failed to mention the words "Muslim," "Islamic" or "Islam" even once. http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_330_31509.php#


BBC pulled episodes of TV drama Silent Witness due to similarities to Rochdale child sex grooming case : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1xBqpvKqF


BBC refuses to screen play about Islamic threat to freedom of speech. Mark Thompson, the BBC's director-general, says it will not screen the controversial 'Can We Talk About This?'. _http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/9169724/BBC-refuses-to-screen-play-about-Islamic-threat-to-freedom-of-speech.html


etc, etc, etc....


Failing to recognize the islamic threat will be an absolute catastrophe for europe:

"striving" (jihad), a Muslim's duty, occurs in the context of opposing, or striving against, the unbeliever. The striving of jihad is primarily the striving to spread Islam and Islamic rule. http://www.peacewithrealism.org/jihad/jihad02.htm

Sheik Farook al-Mohammedi and his group United Muslim Nations International has released their plan in a 23 page booklet to rid the world of Christianity, “wipe Christianity from the face of the earth,” Islamize the West and establish an Islamic system of world government – placing those who resist “under a police state.” http://guardianlv.com/2012/07/muslim...-christianity/

TORONTO - An Islamic bookstore in east Toronto is selling books that urge Muslims to usurp the Western world and install an Islamic State in its place.The books, written by deceased Islamic scholar Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – are available at the Islamic Circle of North America bookstore in Scarborough.“Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation that rules it,” Maududi wrote in Jihad in Islam. “Islam requires the earth – not just a portion – but the whole planet.”Maududi was an influential Pakistani journalist, theologian and Muslim revivalist leader who wrote more than 120 books and pamphlets and lived from 1903 to 1979. http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/30...ale-in-toronto

The Talibanisation of British childhood by hardline parents. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...e-parents.html

Labour Party MP Shahid Malik has predicted the total Islamification of Britain and a Muslim prime minister, “Allah willing”, within the next thirty years. http://www.eutimes.net/2009/06/labou...on-of-britain/


“If faith collapses, civilization goes with it,” says Bethell. That is the real cause of the closing of civilization in Europe. Islamization is simply the consequence. The very word Islam means “submission” and the secularists have submitted already. Many Europeans have already become Muslims, though they do not realize it or do not want to admit it. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3017

Nicholas Kafouris, A Christian primary school teacher told a tribunal that he had to leave his £30,000-a-year post because he would not tolerate the 'racist' and 'anti-Semitic' behaviour from Muslim pupils as young as eight. One pupil (8 year old) said: 'Don't touch me, you're a Christian' when he brushed against him. Others said: 'We want to be Islamic bombers when we grow up', and 'The Christians and Jews are our enemies - you too because you're a Christian'. 'Some children were expressing delight at the death and killing of people of other cultures and religions. (all koran based) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1QRVLGqjM

The historical pattern is very clear: Where Islam enters, civilization soon exits. http://frontpagemag.com/2012/05/18/h...ivilization/2/


According to Prof. Bernard Lewis, one of the most widely read scholars of the Middle East, whose advice is frequently sought by policymakers, Islam could soon be the dominant force in a Europe which, in the name of political correctness, has abdicated the battle for cultural and religious control. Soon, he warned, the only pertinent question regarding Europe's future would be, "Will it be an Islamized Europe or Europeanized Islam? would set no timetable for this drastic shift in Europe, instead focusing on the process. which he said would be assisted by "immigration and democracy." Instead of fighting the threat, he elaborated, Europeans had given up. "Europeans are losing their own loyalties and their own self-confidence," he said. "They have no respect for their own culture." Europeans had "surrendered" on every issue with regard to Islam in a mood of "self-abasement," "political correctness" and "multi-culturalism, http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...rd_lewis_m.php

"Just look at the development within Europe," said a triumphant Norwegian imam a few months ago, "where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children. Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1Zkt9es3X


The imam is correct, 'the way of islamic jihad' will always be more successful than the way of the self mutilating europeans.

[Perseveranze]

It's been uploaded on to Youtube if anyone wants to watch;

Really interesting and a good ignorance detractor;

[Rat_Bag]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
It's been uploaded on to Youtube if anyone wants to watch;

Really interesting and a good ignorance detractor;

But I thought the BBC was too biased to be used as a source? That is according to you anyway

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by Rat_Bag)
But I thought the BBC was too biased to be used as a source? That is according to you anyway

Of course they are, most of their bias comes in their news reporting, like when they blamed Muslims for the Oslo bombings, but they've also used opportunities for Anti-Islam bias in their panorama's like; “Living with the Ayatollah”.

That's why this coming from them is saying a lot, maybe they're trying to make up lost trust. It's a shame though, they had to ruin it when they tried drag Abdul Quillam's name in the mud with their conspiracy theories. Apart from this, don't think many can dispute it's accuracy.

If you want a better source for the 3 early converts to Islam, let me know and I'll give you them.

[FreeHat]

The only British people who embrace Islam are the ones so dissatisfied with their lives that they need a holy cause. Christianity gets most of them but Islam really mops the bottom of the barrel.

[FreeHat]

also **** the cultural marxist, culture erasing, multiculturalism-promoting BBC.

[de_monies]

(Original post by FreeHat)
also **** the cultural marxist, culture erasing, multiculturalism-promoting BBC.

I'm surprised you didn't come up with the "There's nothing British about Islam" line

[FreeHat]

(Original post by de_monies)
I'm surprised you didn't come up with the "There's nothing British about Islam" line

There wasn't, but there is now, more so since the BBC are reviewing the Victorian era with the intention of pushing the belief that "Islam has always been a part of Britain" and "if it's good enough for renegade aristocrats, it's good enough for you".

[de_monies]

(Original post by FreeHat)
There wasn't, but there is now, more so since the BBC are reviewing the Victorian era with the intention of pushing the belief that "Islam has always been a part of Britain" and "if it's good enough for renegade aristocrats, it's good enough for you".

But they're not pushing for "Islam has always been a part of Britain" That would be a ludicrous statement. At best, Islam will have been here around the time the West started trading with the East, and the first Mosques here were from the 19th century

[izzaha]

Ive just watched it now, it was really interesting, I'm currently studying Islam and using a translated Qu'ran it is the version by Marmaduke Pickthall so his work has helped me understand Islam, i never knew who he actually was, thanks for sharing.

[FreeHat]

(Original post by de_monies)
But they're not pushing for "Islam has always been a part of Britain" That would be a ludicrous statement. At best, Islam will have been here around the time the West started trading with the East, and the first Mosques here were from the 19th century

Not in this particular program maybe, but I've heard ludicrous suggestions made on BBC productions concerning how multi-racial Britain has been since the Romans introduced into the gene pool a significant number of non-europeans who fell under its empiric umbrella. Maybe I should have said that they are trying to push the belief that Islam is an acceptable part of British life and that you are not in fact a traitor if you convert. This program has been made with an agenda, which is to make people today believe that their ancestors' leaders and policy makers were closer to Islam than might have originally been expected. There is no shortage of topics relevant to the interesting aspects of the history of Britain yet we are barraged with programs scripted by Islamic sympathisers (or at least people who want us to become Islamic sympathisers).

[de_monies]

(Original post by FreeHat)
Not in this particular program maybe, but I've heard ludicrous suggestions made on BBC productions concerning how multi-racial Britain has been since the Romans introduced into the gene pool a significant number of non-europeans who fell under its empiric umbrella.

Except that's correct. The Romans, Vikings etc... did interfere with the gene pool of the UK

(Original post by FreeHat)
Maybe I should have said that they are trying to push the belief that Islam is an acceptable part of British life

And what exactly is wrong with that? How do you expect people to integrate, if you continuously push people away? You can't have your cake and eat it

(Original post by FreeHat)
and that you are not in fact a traitor if you convert

Apart from you, I don't know many English people who would consider someone a traitor for converting to another religion

(Original post by FreeHat)
This program has been made with an agenda, which is to make people today believe that their ancestors' leaders and policy makers were closer to Islam than might have originally been expected. There is no shortage of topics relevant to the interesting aspects of the history of Britain yet we are barraged with programs scripted by Islamic sympathisers (or at least people who want us to become Islamic sympathisers).

Or perhaps in a post 9/11 world, they are providing some truth instead of media sensationalism. That, and it's Ramadan

[FreeHat]

(Original post by de_monies)
Except that's correct. The Romans, Vikings etc... did interfere with the gene pool of the UK


And what exactly is wrong with that? How do you expect people to integrate, if you continuously push people away? You can't have your cake and eat it


Apart from you, I don't know many English people who would consider someone a traitor for converting to another religion



Or perhaps in a post 9/11 world, they are providing some truth instead of media sensationalism. That, and it's Ramadan

I said "non-Europeans"; it's dubious that the Romans have had any significant genetic impact on what is now the population of the United Kingdom; if non-european Romans left a mark it must have been minuscule.

I'd rather not have the cake at all. And if it's forced upon us I'd expect the integration to be done by the immigrants, which doesn't require British people to alter their views, in this case their views regarding Islam.

But I'm sure you know many Muslims who would consider someone a traitor for converting to another or abandoning their religion. So I shouldn't regard a conversion to Islam as treacherous and Muslims are permitted to regard a conversion away from Islam as a great evil? Choosing dogma is a step in the wrong direction. Converting to Islam is a giant leap in that same direction.

[Rat_Bag]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Of course they are, most of their bias comes in their news reporting, like when they blamed Muslims for the Oslo bombings, but they've also used opportunities for Anti-Islam bias in their panorama's like; “Living with the Ayatollah”.

That's why this coming from them is saying a lot, maybe they're trying to make up lost trust. It's a shame though, they had to ruin it when they tried drag Abdul Quillam's name in the mud with their conspiracy theories. Apart from this, don't think many can dispute it's accuracy.

If you want a better source for the 3 early converts to Islam, let me know and I'll give you them.

So basically, when the BBC says something that is pleasing to you, it's a perfectly good source. When it says something you don't like, then it's just dismissed as biased. Explains a lot

[Azaro]

(Original post by izzaha)
Ive just watched it now, it was really interesting, I'm currently studying Islam and using a translated Qu'ran it is the version by Marmaduke Pickthall so his work has helped me understand Islam, i never knew who he actually was, thanks for sharing.

koran can only be properly understood in arabic. or at least, thats what muslims on TSR say when you give them quotes from the koran they dont want you to know. like all non muslims should be killed

[Alpharius]

They could have made a documentary detailing the rise of Islam/Mohammed, or a documentary on why Muslims conduct Ramadam.

They chose to detail some renegade aristocrats conversion in Victorian England. Boring hell.

[izzaha]

(Original post by Azaro)
koran can only be properly understood in arabic. or at least, thats what muslims on TSR say when you give them quotes from the koran they dont want you to know. like all non muslims should be killed

This thread is about discussing the show Great British Islam, if you want to start a debate or argue then i suggest you go else where.

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by Alpharius)
They could have made a documentary detailing the rise of Islam/Mohammed, or a documentary on why Muslims conduct Ramadam.

They chose to detail some renegade aristocrats conversion in Victorian England. Boring hell.

there was last year on BBC2, 3 episode documentary