[tamimi]

Hey. I've been hearing some good and bad things about Ruby (As in, Ruby On Rails-Ruby).

Can someone please break it down to me? I've never used Ruby before. Am I missing out?

[THESHade]

Un-secure, don`t have enough low level control, ugly. (Never used it myself though... don`t wanna bully myself...)

Go for Python, u will never regret it.

[HazzaBui]

Loads of the error messages are stupid (unclear) as well. Spend ages debugging code, only to find the problem is nothing to do with the error message it threw at me.

[miser]

I don't like the aesthetics of it, but it is very quick for a lot of general development. But Ruby on Rails is too much like magic, so I don't trust it. The code does too many things.

[tamimi]

(Original post by THESHade)
Un-secure, don`t have enough low level control, ugly. (Never used it myself though... don`t wanna bully myself...)

Go for Python, u will never regret it.

I'm already Python-fluent but I never actually bothered using it in real applications. I find it too sensitive to be practical.

[tamimi]

(Original post by miser)
But Ruby on Rails is too much like magic, so I don't trust it. The code does too many things.

That's what I've heard. A lot.

[THESHade]

(Original post by tamimi)
I'm already Python-fluent but I never actually bothered using it in real applications. I find it too sensitive to be practical.

What do you mean by that?
Sensitive syntax AKA split != Split?
or (0,1,2) != [0,1,2]
Or smth else?

[tamimi]

(Original post by THESHade)
What do you mean by that?
Sensitive syntax AKA split != Split?
or (0,1,2) != [0,1,2]
Or smth else?

I mean it's not tolerant to errors, for example, if you mis-indent in python, the whole thing goes FUBAR and starts running around naked.

[estel]

(Original post by tamimi)
I mean it's not tolerant to errors, for example, if you mis-indent in python, the whole thing goes FUBAR and starts running around naked.

Only insofar as other languages might go crazy if you miss a } or a comma.

[THESHade]

(Original post by estel)
Only insofar as other languages might go crazy if you miss a } or a comma.

Exactly.
+ you need to learn how to indent proprely anyway for other languages as well so you can actaully read your code better.

[iCiaran]

(Original post by THESHade)
Exactly.
+ you need to learn how to indent proprely anyway for other languages as well so you can actaully read your code better.

(Original post by estel)
Only insofar as other languages might go crazy if you miss a } or a comma.

I find that if you have a quite complicated set of nested if statements it is much easier to see where your mistake is when you're not just relying on indentation, might just be me personally but I find that to see things clearly I need the { and the indentation...

[THESHade]

(Original post by iCiaran)
I find that if you have a quite complicated set of nested if statements it is much easier to see where your mistake is when you're not just relying on indentation, might just be me personally but I find that to see things clearly I need the { and the indentation...

Just get a good editor that highlights it for you.

[tamimi]

(Original post by THESHade)
Exactly.
+ you need to learn how to indent proprely anyway for other languages as well so you can actaully read your code better.

I'm not new to coding. At all. But thanks for the advice

[estel]

(Original post by THESHade)
Exactly.
+ you need to learn how to indent proprely anyway for other languages as well so you can actaully read your code better.

To be fair, printy-print is trivial for bracketed syntax.

[Chrosson]

(Original post by iCiaran)
I find that if you have a quite complicated set of nested if statements it is much easier to see where your mistake is when you're not just relying on indentation, might just be me personally but I find that to see things clearly I need the { and the indentation...

You could emulate them if you really wanted - http://www.python.org/doc/humor/#pyt...sing-explained

But really if you've got more than 3 levels of if statements there's possibly (probably) a better approach.

[include]

I'm not entirely sure why there is a lot of hate on RoR or Ruby to point out the former OP's question.
It's quite a fast language and it's deployment shell is beautifully constructed. I personally don't use it and am stuck with a legacy system written in PHP at work - although being one of the largest sites in the UK it's still bloody optimised beyond anything else I've seen written in a while.

But back on topic, Ruby may have it's downside such as error control, but ultimately it's a very powerful and efficient language. RoR is a gem (no pun intended) to work with.