[PopaPork]

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
It is a piss take when you put it like that but remember this is a tolerant country.

We as a country are taking the moral high ground by letting people wear what they want, (within reason e.g. Fully Naked isn't an outfit),despite other countries not agreeing to the same extent as us....

It is the right thing to do, why should we dictate what people wear?

Yes it is because we are a tolerant country and I wouldn’t have it any other way but to say these women are respecting our culture is simply a false argument (and one you now can argue against)

But the litmus test of course is to get those who think a women should be allowed to wear what they want to agree that you should be able to wear a t- shirt claiming that ‘the prophet Mohamed raped a chid’

or 'old mo the pedo'

or 'the wasn’t the last prophet he was a child raping camel thief'


Peace

[danny111]

(Original post by Dippy Dip)
The UK is more liberal than Saudi Arabia. You should take it as a good thing that a woman is allowed to wear a burqa here.

This.

Britain is supposedly a liberal, 'free' country. It should be proud that you can both wear a mini skirt and a burqa.

However, you do point out an issue here. There is much hypocrisy in the way Muslims expect others to behave in their country (remember that teacher that got jailed for calling the puppet Mohammed) and how they want to behave in the West. I am from Germany and in some areas we have a huge problem with how some do not learn German and refuse to send their daughters to school. Now this by far does not apply to all, but nevertheless it is an issue in places.

[Azaro]

(Original post by danny111)
This.

Britain is supposedly a liberal, 'free' country. It should be proud that you can both wear a mini skirt and a burqa.

britain isnt a free lineral country. its a country where sharia rules and where one gets a jail sentence for a racist tweet.

[PopaPork]

(Original post by MashB)
Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country, where in Islam that sort of clothing like mini-skirts are not accepted. So you must respect the fact it wouldn't be accepted to dress like that. England is a Christian country where there are no rules in Christianity stating Christians must not cover up there body and not where burqas. Having said that should it not be okay for Muslims coming over to England and be allowed to wear burqas, while still respecting the countries religion and culture? So I believe people questioning females wearing burqas in Britain has to do with personal preference, as it does not disrespect the country's religion and culture.


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Ah the cake and eat it argument

Either these ideas are universal or they are not. SO if it’s OK for Saudi to dictate what people can or cannot wear it’s OK for everywhere else to do the same

Or as I would argue it is simply wrong for anyone to be told what they can or cannot wear so yes those who support the burka should also support wearing the mini skirt in Saudi as to do otherwise would make them hypocrites


Peace

[EssexDan86]

Why would anyone WANT to go on holiday to Saudi Arabia?

It's not just a desert in geographical terms, it's a cultural desert as well - very little to do or see unless you want to go to high-end shopping malls.

[laughylolly]

First of all a) You cannot go on 'holiday' to Saudi Arabia. In order to get a visa to get into the country you have to have a job there or have a family member that has a job there. You can also get special religious visas for visiting mecca.

b) I wore a mini skirt and short shorts a lot when I lived in Saudi Arabia. As long as you don't wear it out in public your fine. No one cares what you wear on the compound and that's where you are most the time.

c) You wouldn't want to wear a mini skirt out in public there. Even going out in a public and wearing an abaya and not covering your hair you get stared at (especially if you are blonde). You would have all the men in the surrounding area eye-raping you or scrutinizing how you look. It's much better to just blend in.

You cover up there as a matter of respect towards their culture. There's nothing in our culture that really says its bad to cover up to much, is there? I wouldn't say it's really offending anyone. So why should we not let people wear what they want, such as a burqa. I think it's more of a case that 'We can't do this when we are in their country so why should we allow them to do xyz in our country' sorta thing which is just kinda childish.

[PopaPork]

(Original post by danny111)
This.

Britain is supposedly a liberal, 'free' country. It should be proud that you can both wear a mini skirt and a burqa.

However, you do point out an issue here. There is much hypocrisy in the way Muslims expect others to behave in their country (remember that teacher that got jailed for calling the puppet Mohammed) and how they want to behave in the West. I am from Germany and in some areas we have a huge problem with how some do not learn German and refuse to send their daughters to school. Now this by far does not apply to all, but nevertheless it is an issue in places.

Unfortunately the double standards of Muslims is quite apparent you can even see it on the thread but we get the same here in the UK (and I have friends throughout Europe and they all level the same argument against their muslims communities)

As I always say I’ll support your right to wear a burka if you support my right to wear a t-shirt calling ‘old mo’ a paedophile (he raped a nine year old girl called Aisha!)

Peace from the UK

[danny111]

(Original post by Azaro)
britain isnt a free lineral country. its a country where sharia rules and where one gets a jail sentence for a racist tweet.

Hence supposedly.

off topic, yea going to jail for a tweet (no matter how racist) imo is a joke.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by PopaPork)
Yes it is because we are a tolerant country and I wouldn’t have it any other way but to say these women are respecting our culture is simply a false argument (and one you now can argue against)

But the litmus test of course is to get those who think a women should be allowed to wear what they want to agree that you should be able to wear a t- shirt claiming that ‘the prophet Mohamed raped a chid’

or 'old mo the pedo'

or 'the wasn’t the last prophet he was a child raping camel thief'


Peace

The hell are you talking about? Who are 'these women'? The point is we remain a moral place even if dopes exist... A country can act like an arse, but that doesn't mean we should either... Anyone more intelligent than dopes that bitch about nonsense on Facebook can see this...

There's freedom to do what you want and then there's just being an ********... You should be able to express your views, but what's the point if the only reason you're doing it is to provoke/offend? It's stupid, it's like saying freedom of expression = freedom to bully others...

[nbgirl23]

(Original post by idontthinkso)
It's the way the world is right now. If a terrorist kills a civilian in the West it's normal. If a western soldier kills a civilian in Afghanistan or Iraq it's the apocalypse.
I'm obviously not advocating that one situation makes the other ok. I would like them to end but when they happen, I want them both to be treated with the same gravity by the public opinion.

Are you serious?

[PopaPork]

The hell are you talking about? Who are 'these women'?

Women who wear the burka

The point is we remain a moral place even if dopes exist... A country can act like an arse, but that doesn't mean we should either... Anyone more intelligent than dopes that bitch about nonsense on Facebook can see this...

No we shouldn’t we should be defending freedom of speech and expression as it is a universal right.

There's freedom to do what you want and then there's just being an ********... You should be able to express your views, but what's the point if the only reason you're doing it is to provoke/offend? It's stupid, it's like saying freedom of expression = freedom to bully others...

Ah so here is the nub of the matter. It is not for you to decide what constitutes freedom of expression. If you are happy to stop my freedom of expression and not theirs then you are a hypocrite.

Either freedom of expression exists of all as a universal right or it doesn’t.

As I said though I would no more stop their freedom of expression then they should want to stop mine

Peace

[Maliha Ahmed]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
Having read that block of text, I have a few questions.

1) Why, despite being allowed to express my opinions, should I keep them to myself? Is it so that people can live with the delusional belief that nobody has any criticism of their religion?

2) Why should I base my opinions on a book? A book is the way that people *should* live, not how they *actually* live. To get a more accurate picture, you need to study the subjects. Effectively, the book is useless if nobody follows it.

The answer to your first question is that I understand you have a different prespective than the one I have, and it is your right to believe whatever you want to, I agree. However, even if you don't agree with my prespective and you are aware that your opinion can offend someone that doesn't mean you don't have any choice other than just saying it in a rude manner, you can simply say you don't agree or you think it's not right. No, it's not so that people can live with the delusional belief that nobody has any criticism of their religion, but rather because a human being, creature of God can be deeply offended by your comments. What's so hard in it? It's one of the basic moral values.

Simple answer to your second question is that you said "I'm not bound by the false and restrictive conditions of Islam." Note the word "Islam". Islam is a religion and asks it's followers to obey the the teaching of Quran and the Holy Prophet Muhammad(peace & blessings of Allah be upon him), Islam doesn't require its followers to follow the teachings of bad muslims or any other human being. So, if you want to formulate your opinion about any religion, and I'm saying any religion, not just Islam, you must read the book of that religion to come to a real judgement. You can't just look at the examples of normal muslims to say something about Islam, not especially when you look at the examples of bad muslims.

Listen, this is the beauty of religion that its tells its followers how they "should" live, however let me clear it here that how they "actually" live is their own choice, they can either follow the great teachings of Islam or can simply follow their desires which can be harmful to the society.

Exactly, this is my point that book is useless if no one follows it, but there are many other muslims who follow the beautiful teachings of Islam, but are ignored by the society & the media.

[brunettej]

The problem is most people take things to two extremes- almost naked and almost fully covered (I could not think of a clever way to put it).

Maybe just dress sensibly according to the weather and be courteous to other people?!

[Ray Bradbury]

My own take on it is that it is a tool used for the oppression of women. A tool used just like many religions use tools to oppress women round the world. Except that being Islam it is taken to the extreme.
Its interesting to note how few, if any Muslim women post on here whenever this comes up, even though there a thousands of female muslim students about. You would think that some of those that wear a burka would post to defend it. Oh no wait... thats right you rarely, if ever, see any students wearing one, just like you rarely , if ever , see them with an independent life (ie holding down a job outside the home) that would mean being free of male dominence wouldn't it?

[navarre]

(Original post by brunettej)
The problem is most people take things to two extremes- almost naked and almost fully covered (I could not think of a clever way to put it).

Maybe just dress sensibly according to the weather and be courteous to other people?!

Very sensible post! This isn't a sole choice between two extremes. There aren't only two options of dressing up in a bin liner or exposing as much flesh as legally possible. There is PLENTY of room for a middle ground between those extremes.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Ray Bradbury)
My own take on it is that it is a tool used for the oppression of women. A tool used just like many religions use tools to oppress women round the world. Except that being Islam it is taken to the extreme.
Its interesting to note how few, if any Muslim women post on here whenever this comes up, even though there a thousands of female muslim students about. You would think that some of those that wear a burka would post to defend it. Oh no wait... thats right you rarely, if ever, see any students wearing one, just like you rarely , if ever , see them with an independent life (ie holding down a job outside the home) that would mean being free of male dominence wouldn't it?

Why do you believe anyone who is wearing a burka is oppressed? I find it odd that you don't seem to acknowledge the existence of any women who wear it out of choice.

[kunoichi]

(Original post by I am Ace)
WHO, in their right mind would ban a miniskirt?! It's like a skirt, but sexier! I'm pretty sure evem heterosexual women love women in miniskirts. This is unacceptable, for this, I shall protest by putting all the mini skirts in the shop that I work in, on sale! Miniskirts for everyone! Even the flamboyant men...

This post made me crack up so much
Have a rep

[Ray Bradbury]

(Original post by whyumadtho)
Why do you believe anyone who is wearing a burka is oppressed? I find it odd that you don't seem to acknowledge the existence of any women who wear it out of choice.

Because it is possible to be oppressed and acquiesce in it.

Actually I find it odd that you don't answer my point of any real Independence ie wearers free to study at uni or free to work outside the home.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Ray Bradbury)
Because it is possible to be oppressed and acquiesce in it.

The same can be said about anything. Just because you wouldn't do it, it doesn't mean all of the people who do are oppressed and/or brainwashed.

Actually I find it odd that you don't answer my point of any real Independence ie wearers free to study at uni or free to work outside the home.

I'm not sure what your point is. People with tattoos on their faces are generally absent in higher education and the workplace. People can do what they want with their lives.

[Laurenx123x]

I'm more offended by someone wearing a Liverpool shirt than a Burqa.

But as has been previously pointed out, I feel a bit uneasy when I can't see someone's face. By all means cover your body up, but I just don't feel safe if I can't see your face.