Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?
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Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?I am personally outraged the trains are planning to strike during the games and that bus drivers will be paid more. Everyone is going to have to deal with the commotion the Olympics are going to offer and for bus drivers to get paid more is pathetic. Train drivers earn more than decent wages in a secure job - quite frankly, the nut jobs who go on strike should be penalised. Actually, they should be replaced, simple as that.
The army have suddenly been called in because of G4S lack of security officers - and are they demanding more? No. They are doing their job like everybody else will be when the games are going on.
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?I blame socialism!(Original post by RobertWhite)
I am personally outraged the trains are planning to strike during the games and that bus drivers will be paid more. Everyone is going to have to deal with the commotion the Olympics are going to offer and for bus drivers alone to get paid more is pathetic. Train drivers earn more than decent wages in a secure job - quite frankly, the nut jobs who go on strike should be penalised. Actually, they should be replaced, simple as that.
The army have suddenly been called in because of G4S lack of security officers - and are they demanding more? No. They are doing their job like everybody else will be when the games are going on.
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People with no formal qualifications are demanding a pay rise while people with University degrees are loosing there jobs :/Last edited by bahjat93; 19-07-2012 at 23:56. -
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?It's just opportunism - the unions know that they can get money from the government simply because it is desperate to host a successful olympic games. Although I'm not sure I agree with your argument that because everyone is doing more, no-one should earn more.
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?I don't believe anyone should get a pay rise, everyone should be proud we're hosting the games and deal with it. I can imagine in 1908 and 1948 Britain's were proud to host the Olympics and wouldn't imagine making more things a problem than necessary.(Original post by Revilo1)
It's just opportunism - the unions know that they can get money from the government simply because it is desperate to host a successful olympic games. Although I'm not sure I agree with your argument that because everyone is doing more, no-one should earn more. -
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?I heard train drivers get paid **** loads anyway, so they're just exploiting the system. But the average salary of a bus driver is nowhere that of train drivers, so they were probably thinking if train drivers can go on strike to gain a pay rise so why shouldn't they?
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?Opportunism.
Yet I don't see any body grinding their teeth that hotels have put their prices up to take advantage of the Olympics. This is common practice in business but funnily enough only lights the blue touch paper when it is workers having a go. -
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?The army can't strike. I'm sure if they could they would. So don't be ****ing thick.(Original post by RobertWhite)
The army have suddenly been called in because of G4S lack of security officers - and are they demanding more? No. They are doing their job like everybody else will be when the games are going on.
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Strike to win. We've spent billions upon billions this Olympic sham, giving away tickets and letting private companies (i.e McDonalds, Coca Cola) have huge monopolies with multi-million benefits. Meanwhile, people struggle to get by. Show them how it's done. -
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?Oh God I hope so. It's about time too. Planes rarely need a pilot these days so why the hell do train still? We could save so much money... shame about the loss of jobs but they're all asses anyway.(Original post by Pandabär)
I thought they were going to replace the London tubes with automatic, driverless ones before long anyway?
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?Certainly not OP.
Ignoring the fact that union strikes amount to blackmail in my opinion (though i have no objection to collective bargaining) this is yet more evidence of how vile Bob Crow is.
Tube drivers already get near enough £50k and bus drivers really do not have that hard a job.
Absolutely sickening and the sooner greater regulation is brought in (see the TSR HOC union bill as an example) the sooner we can end striking. -
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?I don't agree with lots of what's happening with the Olympics - this doesn't justify stupid behaviour to make matters worse. The whole world is struggling to get by at the moment and for train and bus drivers to get compensated for the games is ludicrous. The army not being able to strike is beside the point anyway. The train strikes are going too far. I for one believe the Olympics will pay off - it will generate economic benefits as well as infrastructure improvements and investment. All of the sports equipment will be used by clubs across the UK, including the arenas themselves - not to mention the benefits construction industries have already reaped.(Original post by CUFCDan)
The army can't strike. I'm sure if they could they would. So don't be ****ing thick.
Strike to win. We've spent billions upon billions this Olympic sham, giving away tickets and letting private companies (i.e McDonalds, Coca Cola) have huge monopolies with multi-million benefits. Meanwhile, people struggle to get by. Show them how it's done.
I'd prefer you not to throw out meaningless insults on my thread...Last edited by RobertWhite; 20-07-2012 at 12:56. -
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?But back then, more people were actually proud of being British and cared about making Britain look great - which is hardly the case nowadays. And I agree with you that no-one should get a pay rise, as it is like paying bus drivers based on the number of people they serve. If we used the logic they are using now, then on days when few people use buses, bus drivers should get paid less, as they haven't had as big a workload.(Original post by RobertWhite)
I don't believe anyone should get a pay rise, everyone should be proud we're hosting the games and deal with it. I can imagine in 1908 and 1948 Britain's were proud to host the Olympics and wouldn't imagine making more things a problem than necessary.
I also think it is such a shame these people are potentially going to make the Olympic Games worse, as I hope it will turn out well and be something to genuinely take pride in. And I bet these are also the people who complain about how Britain can't do anything right anymore
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?Salary and job security should be based on merit, not qualifications. Plenty of school leavers work harder and better than graduates who sometimes don't have a clue about real life.(Original post by bahjat93)
I blame socialism!
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?They have the right to protect or enhance their conditions and pay at work.
One thread saying people are not selfish for wanting to pay less tax on some massive hypothetical salary then another bemoaning people for attempting to improve their financial situation.
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?Clearly someone hasn't got a clue what being a bus driver is like. I have two bus drivers in my family, and I can tell you it's not an easy job at all. Long, often unsociable hours (early shifts starting around 6, lates finishing around midnight, regular Sundays, and this isn't London where services run 24 hours). Driving a wide, heavy, long and tall vehicle around, which other road users have no respect for. Having to keep to a timetable whilst putting up with conjestion and slow passengers (like the person who has been standing at the bus stop for 5mins but waits until they are on the bus before rooting around in their bag for their pass, as happened last time I was on a bus), yet having to keep their cool. Having the responsibility of perhaps 70 or 80 lives on the bus, plus other road users and pedestrians. Then there is the abuse from passengers and other road users. This is all for not the greatest wages.(Original post by Rakas21)
Tube drivers already get near enough £50k and bus drivers really do not have that hard a job.
To be honest, I sympathise with the bus drivers more than the train drivers. Train drivers already get paid enough, and by comparison it is a simple job sitting in their air conditioned cab, no public to deal with, lots of safety features to help them out, and an agressive union to get them out of trouble if they do do anything wrong. The Olympics shouldn't have a massive effect on them other than trains being a little busier. Bus drivers on the other hand will likely find that more passengers means longer at stops and trouble keeping to time, having to turn passengers off due to overcrowding (and the inevitable abuse that comes from that), plus all the added disruption and conjestion on the roads, including having route alterations and the like to contend with. -
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?If anybody thinks driving a bus in the capital is a piece of piss I suggest they go to silly cyclists on youtube and see buses trying to pull away from lights with 10 or 20 cyclists riding down either side of the bus or squeezing down the inside of the bus into its blind spot as its trying to turn left.
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?The deregulation of bus services outside London failed in almost all its objectives bar one in my opinion, reducing union influence in bus service provision. In rail if anything it's had the reverse effect as there are separate companies who the RMT can have more disputes with.(Original post by Azaro)
no, its just ordinary bribery. its exactly this which thatcherism tried to stop and give more rights to the workers who dont go on strike -
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?Why was this concept removed?(Original post by Azaro)
no, its just ordinary bribery. its exactly this which thatcherism tried to stop and give more rights to the workers who dont go on strike -
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Re: Do you think the planned train strike and higher bus salaries is justified?So you're saying that people with university degrees are superior to people without qualifications?(Original post by bahjat93)
I blame socialism!
People with no formal qualifications are demanding a pay rise while people with University degrees are loosing there jobs :/
