[fnm]

anyone else hate all the pop psychology everywhere about this case? he was trying to impersonate the batman character/he did it because he was desperate for attention/he was a loner with no friends/he had relationship problems.......it's embarrassing how suddenly everyone is a forensic psychologist desperate to stamp some sort of theory on this guy.

[wildrover]

On a more serious note, rest in peace to the victims and I hope they are now resting with Jesus.

[Devel]

(Original post by fnm)
anyone else hate all the pop psychology everywhere about this case? he was trying to impersonate the batman character/he did it because he was desperate for attention/he was a loner with no friends/he had relationship problems.......it's embarrassing how suddenly everyone is a forensic psychologist desperate to stamp some sort of theory on this guy.

Yeah and yet there is no way enough evidence to warrant any of these conclusions.

[Formerly Helpful_C]

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
This is actually a really nice gesture by the actor:

maybe he's trying to get some brownie points before the old man in the sky sends him to hell for this old chestnut (audio contains expletives): http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_audio/0202...istianbale.mp3

[Pindar]

(Original post by TimHuak)
Do you know Alex Jones?

He made a video pretty quickly after the shooting saying he thought it was a false flag attack

It's not just Alex Jones, this is the mainstream American news media questioning the narrative of the attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeW_-Kq7vA

Plus there's numerous eyewitnesses who are attacking the official story and saying there was a second shooter.




Plus there's an eyewitness claiming that he saw someone fake a cell phone call to let the shooter in. And since the gunman was masked there's no way of knowing for sure it was James Holmes doing the shooting.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...699?refresh=no

Small solace I suppose

[Pindar]

(Original post by rural_boy)
Really? I mean really how can you even say any of this?! He looks like a 'classic' mind control victim, OK so what do they look like and how do you even know?

Mind altering drugs? Yeah I'm sure the CIA doped him to shoot people in a suburb of Colorado, oh and to do this they started MKUltra back up again y'know even though it was halted 40 years ago. Guess you've never heard of Project Bluebird or MK-SEARCH.

Again, hypnotic trance? People described him as looking detached because he's a freakin lunatic not because he was hypnotised.

Seriously, less conspiracy theories and more sense!

Yes MKUltra was halted 40 years ago As if rogue government agencies gain a sense of morality all of a sudden.

The techniques and research developed by MKUltra still exists... you think they're just not going to use it? They do lots of unethical human experimentation for no reason?

You have to look at where the shooting took place, bang in the middle of the military-industrial complex. Don't you think there is a reason for that?

Please tell me how a "freakin lunatic" who is so detached from reality he doesn't even know where he is when he's sat in court manages to procure thousands of dollars of military equipment on dole money and gets the training to professional booby trap his own apartment with IED's and laser trip wires?

There is no motive, there is no knowhow, there is no practical feasibility. It's not logical.

However whatever government agency pulled this off, there is a motive, there is knowhow, there is a long past of false flag terrorism with years of experience (just type FBI fake terror into google for one example).

A shy reserved, vulnerable neuroscience grad student living by himself is pretty much the perfect target for using drugs and mind control for "research purposes" to then frame as a patsy.

[Stevo112]

I love how people are lining up to get their slice of the cake from this shooting.

1. Ok yes, the cinema probably should accept some liability if they didn't secure the emergency exits adequately

2. The film, however violent, should not be liable for suing. After all, this film has a certificate and hell i've seen scarier/more violent films in my time!

3. If the doctors prescribed him medicine and the guy had no prior convictions then surely it would be unnecessary to have excessive monitoring.


some guy i've never heard of in my life;

http://politic365.com/2012/07/25/tor...first-lawsuit/


have a slice of cake sir, the fact that some absolute nutter did a disgusting act obviously means that it is not the gunman's fault but some other person/organisation. I genuinely hope that his lawsuit falls through for points number 2 and 3, and I hope warner bros puts in a counter claim for loss of money through a tarnished image (or something along those lines). I do think he should receive some compo for point 1 though if it turned out to be the case.

[rural_boy]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Yes MKUltra was halted 40 years ago As if rogue government agencies gain a sense of morality all of a sudden.

The techniques and research developed by MKUltra still exists... you think they're just not going to use it? They do lots of unethical human experimentation for no reason?

You have to look at where the shooting took place, bang in the middle of the military-industrial complex. Don't you think there is a reason for that?

Please tell me how a "freakin lunatic" who is so detached from reality he doesn't even know where he is when he's sat in court manages to procure thousands of dollars of military equipment on dole money and gets the training to professional booby trap his own apartment with IED's and laser trip wires?

There is no motive, there is no knowhow, there is no practical feasibility. It's not logical.

However whatever government agency pulled this off, there is a motive, there is knowhow, there is a long past of false flag terrorism with years of experience (just type FBI fake terror into google for one example).

A shy reserved, vulnerable neuroscience grad student living by himself is pretty much the perfect target for using drugs and mind control for "research purposes" to then frame as a patsy.

First of all, you have no evidence to suggest that MKUltra or any 'techniques' still exist therefore you can't just assume that they do in order for them to support your argument.

Second of all, Aurora has had a military base near it since 1918 not that that has anything remotely do with anything?!

He was studying a PHD in neuroscience he might be a lunatic but he's also obviously pretty clever. Also he could probably quite easily make bombs and trip wires using instructions from the internet, christ the Unambomber made bombs using wood and sent them from a shed in Montana so it's not exactly out of the realm of possibility for this guy to set up a trip wire or two.

Finally, "A shy reserved, vulnerable neuroscience grad student living by himself is pretty much the perfect target for using drugs and mind control for "research purposes" to then frame as a patsy" These shy, reserved people are usually the ones who commit these sorts of crimes because they feel excluded from society, especially in American society where individualism is favoured more than collectivism. 'Frame as a patsy' - Yeah sorry I forgot about your years as a CIA operative so I guess you must know what you're talking about.

[Pindar]

(Original post by rural_boy)
First of all, you have no evidence to suggest that MKUltra or any 'techniques' still exist therefore you can't just assume that they do in order for them to support your argument.

(Original post by rural_boy)
Second of all, Aurora has had a military base near it since 1918 not that that has anything remotely do with anything?!

(Original post by rural_boy)
He was studying a PHD in neuroscience he might be a lunatic but he's also obviously pretty clever. Also he could probably quite easily make bombs and trip wires using instructions from the internet, christ the Unambomber made bombs using wood and sent them from a shed in Montana so it's not exactly out of the realm of possibility for this guy to set up a trip wire or two.

What do you mean? Why would techniques developed after many years of research suddenly disappear for no reason? Why would the CIA bother spending millions researching it for no reason.

Please research MKUltra and the experiments conducted by Dr. Donald Ewen Cameron before you pretend you know what you're talking about.

When things like this happen (false flag attacks) they routinely happen right in the midst of the people carrying them out. So if anything goes wrong they are already nearby for damage limitation purposes. Buckley Air Force base is less than 5 miles away from where it happened and is the largest Department of Defense hub in the US. The apartment was likely booby trapped so local police would not be able to access it until the feds arrived to take over.

Someone who studied neuroscience, linked with DARPA, with a special "government grant", with family with deep connections to the military-industrial complex, and had advanced classes on mental illness suddenly goes "mental". You couldn't make it up.

He's not simply a "lunatic", take a look at the eyewitness testimony. Take a look at the video of him in the courtroom. He is clearly in a very detached, unaware, docile and suggestible state. Exactly how declassified documents describing subjects of mind control experimentation are described. That dazed, drooling shell of a person is not capable of carrying out a sophisticated attack by himself, I doubt he is capable of tying his own shoelaces in that sort of drugged up hypnotic state.

(Original post by rural_boy)
Finally, "A shy reserved, vulnerable neuroscience grad student living by himself is pretty much the perfect target for using drugs and mind control for "research purposes" to then frame as a patsy" These shy, reserved people are usually the ones who commit these sorts of crimes because they feel excluded from society, especially in American society where individualism is favoured more than collectivism. 'Frame as a patsy' - Yeah sorry I forgot about your years as a CIA operative so I guess you must know what you're talking about.

A "high performing" honours student, who suddenly drops out of university for no reason. No indication of violent tendencies, no criminal record, no childhood trauma, a shy but friendly person who mowed his mums lawn and was nice to everyone he knew, somehow gets hold of an arsenal of military weapons within a month which would take most people years to accumulate, and decides to commit a mass massacre for absolutely no motive.

Whereas when the emergency crew hadn't even left the scene, the bodies weren't even cold before lawmakers, politicians and the media were calling for infringing citizen's rights to bear arms, conveniently just before a UN vote on a gun control treaty. The last thing they want is a armed populace who can defend themselves.

Question. Why would Holmes open fire on a theater full of innocent people in order to kill as many as he could, go outside and wait for police then calmly surrender to police without resistance?

Question. Why did Holmes go to the expense and trouble of rigging his apartment with a maze of sophisticated booby traps armed with deadly explosives and then immediately tell police about the bombs when questioned? If Holmes wanted to kill as many people as possible, why warn the police ahead of time?

Question. Why are many eyewitnesses contradicting the official story?

Question. Why did Holmes appear to be severely drugged up during his court appearance? So much that newsreaders even commented "his behaviour obviously suggests 'heavy medication'.

Question. Why was the SWAT team told to stand down until the massacre had ended?

[Jamie]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
blah blah Anders Behring Breivik style rantings blah blah blah

My theory of the day.

Anti-government conspiracy nuts are more likely to be responsible for a massacre

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
What do you mean? Why would techniques developed after many years of research suddenly disappear for no reason? Why would the CIA bother spending millions researching it for no reason.

Please research MKUltra and the experiments conducted by Dr. Donald Ewen Cameron before you pretend you know what you're talking about.

When things like this happen (false flag attacks) they routinely happen right in the midst of the people carrying them out. So if anything goes wrong they are already nearby for damage limitation purposes. Buckley Air Force base is less than 5 miles away from where it happened and is the largest Department of Defense hub in the US. The apartment was likely booby trapped so local police would not be able to access it until the feds arrived to take over.

Someone who studied neuroscience, linked with DARPA, with a special "government grant", with family with deep connections to the military-industrial complex, and had advanced classes on mental illness suddenly goes "mental". You couldn't make it up.

He's not simply a "lunatic", take a look at the eyewitness testimony. Take a look at the video of him in the courtroom. He is clearly in a very detached, unaware, docile and suggestible state. Exactly how declassified documents describing subjects of mind control experimentation are described. That dazed, drooling shell of a person is not capable of carrying out a sophisticated attack by himself, I doubt he is capable of tying his own shoelaces in that sort of drugged up hypnotic state.



A "high performing" honours student, who suddenly drops out of university for no reason. No indication of violent tendencies, no criminal record, no childhood trauma, a shy but friendly person who mowed his mums lawn and was nice to everyone he knew, somehow gets hold of an arsenal of military weapons within a month which would take most people years to accumulate, and decides to commit a mass massacre for absolutely no motive.

Whereas when the emergency crew hadn't even left the scene, the bodies weren't even cold before lawmakers, politicians and the media were calling for infringing citizen's rights to bear arms, conveniently just before a UN vote on a gun control treaty. The last thing they want is a armed populace who can defend themselves.

Question. Why would Holmes open fire on a theater full of innocent people in order to kill as many as he could, go outside and wait for police then calmly surrender to police without resistance?

Question. Why did Holmes go to the expense and trouble of rigging his apartment with a maze of sophisticated booby traps armed with deadly explosives and then immediately tell police about the bombs when questioned? If Holmes wanted to kill as many people as possible, why warn the police ahead of time?

Question. Why are many eyewitnesses contradicting the official story?

Question. Why did Holmes appear to be severely drugged up during his court appearance? So much that newsreaders even commented "his behaviour obviously suggests 'heavy medication'.

Question. Why was the SWAT team told to stand down until the massacre had ended?

Richard Angelo was seemingly normal and an honor student. There's been many cases of people with normal upbringings who do evil things. Also, Holmes was failing his classes. Also, it doesn't take years to get what he did. It was legal remember and some of these purchases where online.

If you learnt some basic logical thinking then you'd see the problem with your deductive reasoning. Do you know how many medical conditions overlap in their symptoms? Just because X is associated with Y doesn't mean that when we see someone whose symptom is similar to X we diagnose him with Y. You need to first prove that X is ONLY associated with Y.

Also, eye witness testimonies are notoriously problematic and memory accuracy is questionable. It was a traumatic event.

That maybe his appeal tactic. It would help in an insanity defense. But, regardless the only possible thing that can tell us whether someone is drugged up is a drug evaluation test. Anyway, why are you only factoring in those who agree with your story? Confirmation bias at it's best. How about those of us who don't see him as drugged up? Are we just CIA-informants now? Or brain-washed masses? You did say after all he took advanced classes in mental illness, surely he'd know how to replicate the behavior?

Have you got any evidence of this being the case? Anyway, even if it is I'd imagine it would have to do with the fact that Holmes was dressed in similar clothing and thus they didn't want to complicate matters and shot innocent SWAT members.

[TimHuak]

(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
Richard Angelo was seemingly normal and an honor student. There's been many cases of people with normal upbringings who do evil things. Also, Holmes was failing his classes. Also, it doesn't take years to get what he did. It was legal remember and some of these purchases where online.

I have no idea why people keep bringing this up. When you buy a gun online it is shipped to a licensed arms dealer who then performs the relevant checks when you go in to collect it. It is no different to buying in store.

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by TimHuak)
I have no idea why people keep bringing this up. When you buy a gun online it is shipped to a licensed arms dealer who then performs the relevant checks when you go in to collect it. It is no different to buying in store.

He didn't buy the gun online. He brought ammo, vest and knives online on unregulated websites.

[sugar-n-spice]

http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_AT..._firearms.html

That is bad^

On topic because this has become a discuss the possibility of the attack being false flag thread



THey have hair dye in jail?

[TimHuak]

(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
He didn't buy the gun online. He brought ammo, vest and knives online on unregulated websites.

I know it is my mistake here, apologies. I didn't read your post properly I just saw you mentioning buying things online and made the assumption. It is because there has been such a large amount of nonsense and misinformation from alot of people about this case. I've heard plenty of people talk rubbish and say he bought the gun online and bought 60,000 rounds of ammo and had a machine gun etc etc

The biggest mistakes people are making are when they discuss buying guns online as if it is different to buying in store and when they start talking about "assault rifles" and "assault weapons" without knowing what theyre talking about.

I don't see anything wrong with buying those things online though.

[rural_boy]

(Original post by sugar-n-spice)
http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_AT..._firearms.html

That is bad^

On topic because this has become a discuss the possibility of the attack being false flag thread



THey have hair dye in jail?

Please tell me this isn't a serious question... he obviously dyed it before he was arrested..

[TheKieranC]

(Original post by sugar-n-spice)
He had an assault rifle, illegal for civilians.

Yeah, so illegal for civilians he went into a gun shop and bought it

[TimHuak]

(Original post by TheKieranC)
Yeah, so illegal for civilians he went into a gun shop and bought it

In America it would not be classed as an assault rifle. It is classed as an assault weapon. Assault rifles are legal to own though anyway so this person is wrong in many ways.