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View Poll Results: What do you think is the issue behind the G4S Olympic security jobs debate?
Students not taking the jobs seriously enough 24 22.86% G4S not taking students seriously enough 45 42.86% Olympic organisers (LOCOG) not involved enough 38 36.19% The media is exaggerating 33 31.43% Other (let us know) 26 24.76%
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Re: What do you think is the issue behind the G4S Olympic security jobs debate?(Original post by MandyA)
G4S don't even like contacting people. how can you recruit SO many people and not give a damn about them?! but then they want to go and bring the ****ing army? gets me livid.
If I remember correctly...... Don't you work for G4S?(Original post by cl_steele)
I will quite happily lay the blame squarely at the feet of G4S and to a degree LOCOG, the hiring process was a ****ing disgrace leaving thousands of students in limbo land with some only hearing in the past week that they will or will not be working the Olympics and on top of that their tedious habit of leaving things till quite litterally the last minute, getting an email at midnight telling me to be 100miles away at 8am the next morning is ludicrous! personally i think these two reasons are the main ones for their debaccle, although not be any stretch limited to these reasons! ive run into countless people who've thrown down the gauntlet and told G4S where to stick it because of their ****ty service, we're employees not bloody poodles to be at their beck and call! I myself have found myself having my role changed 3 times now with the latest role being a bus escort that i am firstly not even entitled to work [LOCOGS fault!] and secondly not trained for so i cant even do the damn shifts, i cant blame people for not turning up, even if it is rather unfair on their colleages many of whom have been dumped into double shifts [24 hours!] because they havent been relieved.
As for why they couldnt hire enough? be damned if i know, maybe if their hiring procedure wasnt such a shambles and half arsed theyd have gotten somewhere as they had more than enough applicants ... i mean LOCOG isnt even paying the blighters and their army of volenteers is doing fine!
Disgrace of a company i have half the mind to go down the American route and sue them for grievous mental harm
/Rant over
I've known of people getting sacked for what they say on here...... You should be carefull.
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Re: What do you think is the issue behind the G4S Olympic security jobs debate?This isn't a response to you per-se but ..... I don't know why the army has to be so unco-operative... If you're told to do something by your superior then just do it! That's how it goes in the army so thats how it should go in the games too.(Original post by cid)
Had a laugh yesterday, my little brother came round for dinner, he is one of the troops drafted in to cover G4S's short comings, apparently G4S employees are intimidated by the soldiers and to help tackle this there will be mixed military/civilian PSA and VSA teams.
With civilian G4S team leaders taking command of troops ... yeah i do not see that happening, apparently a few heated exchanges have already occurred between soldiers and some of the G4S team leaders who don't realize squaddies don't give a **** if your on £2 extra an hour you're still a civvy and had better be "double 'ard" (not my words lol) if you're gonna try to throw your weight around.
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Re: What do you think is the issue behind the G4S Olympic security jobs debate?Well yes and no, contrary to popular believe amongst a large proportion of the civilian population, soldiers don't just do as they're told. What they do is something called 'playing the game' It is hard to explain to someone who hasn't seen it in action.(Original post by Lord Jon)
This isn't a response to you per-se but ..... I don't know why the army has to be so unco-operative... If you're told to do something by your superior then just do it! That's how it goes in the army so thats how it should go in the games too.
The military is very different to a civilian job, just because you are somebodies superior in rank, it doesn't mean a thing, there is an old saying in the Army ' It's a rank slide, not a gum shield' You may be a higher rank and you may get paid more, but if you are incompetent, or you talk down to people and act like a knob, you'll know about it and for some people it comes as a bloody shock.
A soldier will NEVER be 100% content being told what to do by a civilian, that is a civilian, not an ex squaddie, which is a compleatly different beast to the former, why? Simple really, as corney and cliche and straight out of Hollywood as it sounds, the civilian hasn't earned the right to, personally i think no one should be allowed to send their nation to war (political leaders) unless they've served themselves and fully appreciate what they're lining their men up for for ...but i digress.
The best way to interact with the military would be to have the team leaders liaise with the JNCO's corporals and lance corporals, and the management step above that with the SNCO's I'm sure the officers and army commanders are all talking with their civilian equivalents. But a civilian cannot expect to just appear and take command of a group of soldiers, especially when them soldiers are feeling rather jaded about even being present anyway.
-Soldiers don't like working for someone they have no respect for.
-They especially don't like being told what to do by someone they have not respect for.
-They REALLY don't like being spoken to like crap by someone they have no respect for.
If anyone here is a team leader i would just say, don't speak to them like you would probably expect soldiers to be accustomed to being spoken to. That is quick short orders, they will not accept it from civilians, if you need them to do something, ask them, like you would ask a volunteer, because you ARE NOT in charge of them, their NCO's and officers are in charge of them, you are working with them regardless of whatever G4S rank you hold. If you are having problems with them, you can try to speak to them, but do not try to adopt the stance of a superior, you will fail ..fast, or you can speak to an NCO, that would be one of the chaps with a chevron or two on his chest. Though there is every chance they will be amongst the soldiers you are having problems with lol.
To be honest i think mixing the teams so they are civilian and military is a bit silly, but hey someone out there is getting paid far more than me to come up with these stupid ideas, I just want to know 2 things, Who is he? And can i have he's job when he retires, i can suggest stupid stuff for lots of money all days long. -
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Re: What do you think is the issue behind the G4S Olympic security jobs debate?mmm maybe..(Original post by Lord Jon)
If I remember correctly...... Don't you work for G4S?
I've known of people getting sacked for what they say on here...... You should be carefull.
They wont fire me im a model employee
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Re: What do you think is the issue behind the G4S Olympic security jobs debate?They were going to be mixed anyway, according to Russia Today, the news channel. But because of the G4S's failure, more of them will be mixed(Original post by cid)
Well yes and no, contrary to popular believe amongst a large proportion of the civilian population, soldiers don't just do as they're told. What they do is something called 'playing the game' It is hard to explain to someone who hasn't seen it in action.
The military is very different to a civilian job, just because you are somebodies superior in rank, it doesn't mean a thing, there is an old saying in the Army ' It's a rank slide, not a gum shield' You may be a higher rank and you may get paid more, but if you are incompetent, or you talk down to people and act like a knob, you'll know about it and for some people it comes as a bloody shock.
A soldier will NEVER be 100% content being told what to do by a civilian, that is a civilian, not an ex squaddie, which is a compleatly different beast to the former, why? Simple really, as corney and cliche and straight out of Hollywood as it sounds, the civilian hasn't earned the right to, personally i think no one should be allowed to send their nation to war (political leaders) unless they've served themselves and fully appreciate what they're lining their men up for for ...but i digress.
The best way to interact with the military would be to have the team leaders liaise with the JNCO's corporals and lance corporals, and the management step above that with the SNCO's I'm sure the officers and army commanders are all talking with their civilian equivalents. But a civilian cannot expect to just appear and take command of a group of soldiers, especially when them soldiers are feeling rather jaded about even being present anyway.
-Soldiers don't like working for someone they have no respect for.
-They especially don't like being told what to do by someone they have not respect for.
-They REALLY don't like being spoken to like crap by someone they have no respect for.
If anyone here is a team leader i would just say, don't speak to them like you would probably expect soldiers to be accustomed to being spoken to. That is quick short orders, they will not accept it from civilians, if you need them to do something, ask them, like you would ask a volunteer, because you ARE NOT in charge of them, their NCO's and officers are in charge of them, you are working with them regardless of whatever G4S rank you hold. If you are having problems with them, you can try to speak to them, but do not try to adopt the stance of a superior, you will fail ..fast, or you can speak to an NCO, that would be one of the chaps with a chevron or two on his chest. Though there is every chance they will be amongst the soldiers you are having problems with lol.
To be honest i think mixing the teams so they are civilian and military is a bit silly, but hey someone out there is getting paid far more than me to come up with these stupid ideas, I just want to know 2 things, Who is he? And can i have he's job when he retires, i can suggest stupid stuff for lots of money all days long. -
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Re: What do you think is the issue behind the G4S Olympic security jobs debate?Pardon?(Original post by BlueSmarties)
So you don't steal your colleagues mobiles, fantastic. Can they make you a manager? -
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Re: What do you think is the issue behind the G4S Olympic security jobs debate?Ok the G4S UTTER COCK UP...!! A FEW THINGS TO CONSIDER...
1) sorry to all those students / others that applied but guys if youve never worked in security before you shouldnt have been given jobs!..... any decent company holding such a major event should have asked for at least 1 years experience in events / retail / doors etc.......
2) recruiting nationally is a big mistake, the contracts should have been farmed out to smaller regional company's north east.midlands London etc..... things could have then been managed correctly....
3) there was no concept of "physical ability to undertake security tasks" im sorry but if your working in frontline security you need to be robust engough to do the job.... have you seen some of the people that were recruited...??
4) whos been doing the radio training? i see them walking around with the radio like a toy? why dont they have earpieces...?? listening to a radio without an earpiece makes communication hard.... long winded... and looks crap...!
and lastly its well known between most people working in security that g4s are a crap company in many respects..... yet they were given this contract??
palms were deffinately greased at some point!
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Re: What do you think is the issue behind the G4S Olympic security jobs debate?all of them are completely wrong, the correct answer is the "british people" (sniggers at irony) were to lazy to show up hahahha gotta love those immigrants that will do the jobs we wont right?? Wrong .
