[AmyJ]

(Original post by Okashira)
It's not faith and works, because that is like saying Jesus saved me yet my works saved me as well. In Heaven we will then be saying "Worthy is the Lamb and me."

Whether, it is works through faith. If I believe Jesus is my righteousness, my actions will show it. My actions will show that Jesus has saved me, and I'm a new creation. Yes, Jesus told Mary to go and sin no more, but that was after Jesus told her that she had no condemnation. That He doesn't condemn her for her actions. Jesus also told another woman the same words, only after telling her that her many sins are forgiven her. (That because she knew she was forgiven much, she could love much) So the key to sinning no more, is knowing we are forgiven in Christ, and have no condemnation. It's our faith in Christ, that leads to works. That is why it is said whatever is not of faith, is sin.

Not true. I don't disagree with any of your main post. Look closely at my earlier message - I said in the first few sentences that works are faith in practice; I never said they could 'save' you in terms of absolving/compensating for your sin - they clearly can't. But someone who says, "I believe.." and doesn't act upon it in their life is a hypocrite - and works are the primary way in which we can act upon our faith. Jesus called on us to do good works, because good works are doubly important; they help others, and they are evidence of our desire to overcome our sin nature for the sake of God.

[Happydude]

(Original post by .eXe)
To own nice things or wear nice clothes, etc is not intrinsically non-Christian. However, if it is your goal to do such things, then you are setting up what Jesus terms "an idol" before God.

Just make sure you don't wear mix up them fibres at the same time! Such a heinous thing to do...

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

This is why I can't take the bible seriously.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Happydude)
Just make sure you don't wear mix up them fibres at the same time! Such a heinous thing to do...

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

This is why I can't take the bible seriously.

The OP is Christian. I am a Christian. My opinion given was Christian. Christianity began at the New Testament.

Now what makes you think we follow Old Testament laws?

I am curious as to what gave you the impression that this thread was discussing judaism.

[KickingKat88]

So from what I gather, someone who truly believes will automatically attempt to do good because of what Jesus preaches to us. Therefore someone who only does good without belief, is completely disregarded in Gods' eyes.

Thanks all x

[pyjamatrousers.]

(Original post by KickingKat88)
I am finding my feet with God and Christianity and after looking at myself I have realised that so many things I have been doing are probably considered sinful. For example I've always worn make-up and bought nice clothes, this is self indulgent and probably a form of vanity so I'm thinking these are things I need to eliminate. Another thing is working out regularly. This seems to me unnecessary? Since it is driven by want of looking/feeling better and not spiritual at all.

Am I on the right track? How far should I take this? I guess I feel like sometimes I'm not sure if I am committing a sin or not?

Thanks

Perhaps the fact that you are thinking about this is God's way of reminding you that you should be focusing on Him? You could pray about it? And you could read your Bible

[Happydude]

(Original post by .eXe)
The OP is Christian. I am a Christian. My opinion given was Christian. Christianity began at the New Testament.

Now what makes you think we follow Old Testament laws?

I am curious as to what gave you the impression that this thread was discussing judaism.

Sorry, I thought you guys followed what was taught in the bible. I also thought that bible was made up of two parts! You can't call yourself a Christian and just chop bits out of your holy book that don't mesh well with contemporary values.

I'm an atheist. But I can look back and see that there probably was a guy called Jesus and that he preached good things. Most conservative Christians could not be further from what Jesus was! He'd have loved everybody, regardless of whether they're a raging homosexual or not. I really hate the hypocrisy in modern Christianity.

Spirituality is awesome. Believe in some form of omnipotent power? Sure. Believe in the omnipotent power described in a certain book scribbled out millennia ago? Hmm. Why don't you just believe in Zeus or Thor?

[pyjamatrousers.]

(Original post by Happydude)
Just make sure you don't wear mix up them fibres at the same time! Such a heinous thing to do...

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

This is why I can't take the bible seriously.

There is a reason why God gave the Israelites those laws. Just because you don't understand them does not mean that they're unreasonable.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Happydude)
Sorry, I thought you guys followed what was taught in the bible. I also thought that bible was made up of two parts! You can't call yourself a Christian and just chop bits out of your holy book that don't mesh well with contemporary values.

I'm an atheist. But I can look back and see that there probably was a guy called Jesus and that he preached good things. Most conservative Christians could not be further from what Jesus was! He'd have loved everybody, regardless of whether they're a raging homosexual or not. I really hate the hypocrisy in modern Christianity.

Spirituality is awesome. Believe in some form of omnipotent power? Sure. Believe in the omnipotent power described in a certain book scribbled out millennia ago? Hmm. Why don't you just believe in Zeus or Thor?

Don't comment on things you have absolutely no clue about. We aren't chopping bits out of the bible. However, as Christians we do follow the New Testament...this is a well known fact not a new revelation.

We do not chop out the OT, but rather recognize it. The OT is integral to the Bible because it contains history prior to Jesus' coming. Additionally, it contains prophesies about Jesus that early prophets made. So removing the OT would mean ignoring those prophecies which signal Jesus' coming. Why would we do that?

What we ignore are the Old Testament Laws. We do this because in the New Testament there is a specific verse which elaborates on this. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you had absolutely no idea that such a verse even exists.

You see, this is why don't comment on things you are an absolute layperson to.

And see it's funny you think that Jesus did not love homosexuals. Lol, not only do not have no idea who Jesus is, you are just making up things. How did you conclude that Jesus hates homosexuals? You made a false accusation based on NO evidence, you called Christianity hypocrisy and you told us what you follow (even though no one here really cares, nor asked you to).

Bravo...?

[Negaduck]

You should sell ALL your possessions and give the money to charity or else you'll burn in the fiery pits of hell for all eternity. Do you want that? DO YOU WANT THAT?

[Happydude]

(Original post by .eXe)
And see it's funny you think that Jesus did not love homosexuals. Lol, not only do not have no idea who Jesus is, you are just making up things. How did you conclude that Jesus hates homosexuals? You made a false accusation based on NO evidence, you called Christianity hypocrisy and you told us what you follow (even though no one here really cares, nor asked you to).

Bravo...?

I don't think that. If you'd bothered to read my post you'd have read that I was talking about how (namely right-wing 'Christians' in America) conservative Christians quite often hold divisive views which is odd given the nature of their prophet.

I'm not propagating this debate any further. It's Saturday night, and I've met you before on the forums. It's like banging your head against a brick wall for all the critical thinking you do.

[Happydude]

(Original post by pyjamatrousers.)
There is a reason why God gave the Israelites those laws. Just because you don't understand them does not mean that they're unreasonable.

Can you please enlighten me as to why they can't wear a combination of linen and cotton? I can understand God telling them not to rape or steal, but this part is really beyond me. I'm ashamed.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Happydude)
I don't think that. If you'd bothered to read my post you'd have read that I was talking about how (namely right-wing 'Christians' in America) conservative Christians quite often hold divisive views which is odd given the nature of their prophet.

I'm not propagating this debate any further. It's Saturday night, and I've met you before on the forums. It's like banging your head against a brick wall for all the critical thinking you do.

I don't really get whether you hate Christianity or modern Christianity. If it's the latter then it's ridiculous because you are judging the faith based on what people do. That would like me hating Islam because of terrorists...that wouldn't make any sense.

Also, you didn't really respond to anything about "chopping up the Bible" accusation you made..? If you're going to make an accusation, at least stand by it.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Happydude)
Can you please enlighten me as to why they can't wear a combination of linen and cotton? I can understand God telling them not to rape or steal, but this part is really beyond me. I'm ashamed.

That was in the OT. Doesn't apply any more. Go wear whatever you want.

Something tells me you're going to rage now about how I am picking and choosing verses, amirite?

[pyjamatrousers.]

(Original post by Happydude)
Can you please enlighten me as to why they can't wear a combination of linen and cotton? I can understand God telling them not to rape or steal, but this part is really beyond me. I'm ashamed.

No need to be sarcastic I agree that it sounds weird but the Israelites were God's chosen people and he gave them all these laws when they were just growing as a nation. He wanted them to be different from the other nations around them. So he gave them the law about not wearing a particular clothing combinations because that's what some of the other nations around them were doing and he didn't want them to copy those nations because their traditions were in honor of other gods and God didn't want his people to copy them. hope that made sense.......

[Happydude]

(Original post by pyjamatrousers.)
No need to be sarcastic I agree that it sounds weird but the Israelites were God's chosen people and he gave them all these laws when they were just growing as a nation. He wanted them to be different from the other nations around them. So he gave them the law about not wearing a particular clothing combinations because that's what some of the other nations around them were doing and he didn't want them to copy those nations because their traditions were in honor of other gods and God didn't want his people to copy them. hope that made sense.......

(Original post by .eXe)
That was in the OT. Doesn't apply any more. Go wear whatever you want.

Something tells me you're going to rage now about how I am picking and choosing verses, amirite?

Lol. Just..... lol. Night guys

[pyjamatrousers.]

(Original post by Happydude)
Lol. Just..... lol. Night guys

goodnight xxxxxx

[gagaslilmonsteruk]

(Original post by KickingKat88)
I am finding my feet with God and Christianity and after looking at myself I have realised that so many things I have been doing are probably considered sinful. For example I've always worn make-up and bought nice clothes, this is self indulgent and probably a form of vanity so I'm thinking these are things I need to eliminate. Another thing is working out regularly. This seems to me unnecessary? Since it is driven by want of looking/feeling better and not spiritual at all.

Am I on the right track? How far should I take this? I guess I feel like sometimes I'm not sure if I am committing a sin or not?

Thanks

Good for you. What I'm interested to know is how you came to the decision to change your lifestyle? Have you always been Christian and only taking more of a personal interest in it now? Regardless it's a great piece of news to hear how religion is making positive changes to your life, considering you don't really hear many positive things about any religion in the news any more.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Happydude)
Lol. Just..... lol. Night guys

Don't really see what's funny...?

[pyjamatrousers.]

(Original post by .eXe)
Don't really see what's funny...?

Neither :s Maybe he doesn't know what else to say :/

[Evangelica]

(Original post by KickingKat88)
I am finding my feet with God and Christianity and after looking at myself I have realised that so many things I have been doing are probably considered sinful. For example I've always worn make-up and bought nice clothes, this is self indulgent and probably a form of vanity so I'm thinking these are things I need to eliminate. Another thing is working out regularly. This seems to me unnecessary? Since it is driven by want of looking/feeling better and not spiritual at all.

Am I on the right track? How far should I take this? I guess I feel like sometimes I'm not sure if I am committing a sin or not?

Thanks

Exercise is good for your health I don't see why you would actively cut that out. Surely treating your body with respect can only be a good thing. As for wearing things that make you feel good, I guess that's your choice but surely it shouldn't be on the top of your list of priorities. From a neutral perspective I think it's better that someone gets to grip with their belief and the rest follows rather than just trying to act / appear to have a certain belief. It's not an accusation, I'm just saying I'm sure modified behaviour and attitudes will follow a modified spirituality eventually over a natural course.