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Islam and Zakir NaikI really don't know what it is but there is something about that man that makes me almost suspicious of him? if thats the right word? I did a quick google and there are a few sites that criticize him but I would be interested to read people's views on him here.
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikReally?(Original post by IWantSomeMushu)
He is a specialist in straw man arguments. Seriously, watch his videos, he spouts so much bull****.
why?
Lots of people praise him and rate him very highly... Interesting.
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikHe may know the Quran off by heart which is commendable but some of the stuff he says really makes no sense at all and some of it is downright crazy.(Original post by TheProdigy2k9)
Really? why?
Lots of people praise him and rate him very highly... Interesting.
Seems to be very knowledgeable
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikMy dad loves the guy, he watches his channel whenever he has time and I just sit there, cringing inside.(Original post by IWantSomeMushu)
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikSuspicious of believing what he has to say.(Original post by B-Man.)
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikIf you're serious on getting any info about Islam, wikiislam is NOT the place to find it. Seriously, that site is as factual as the dm on Islam.(Original post by Luxray)
He may know the Quran off by heart which is commendable but some of the stuff he says really makes no sense at all and some of it is downright crazy.
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikI've wondered that too. Sometimes I think he just says whatever crap that comes into his head, finishes it off with 'Alhamdulillah' and the zombies in his audience just clap like seals.(Original post by S-man10)
Suspicious of believing what he has to say.Last edited by B-Man.; 21-07-2012 at 03:17. -
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Re: Islam and Zakir Naikwikiislam of all sources................look at the rebuttals, a lot of it is opinionated and doesn't allow a proper debate so how can they be, plus they use a very small amount of sources to base this on....(Original post by Luxray)
He may know the Quran off by heart which is commendable but some of the stuff he says really makes no sense at all and some of it is downright crazy.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rebuttals_to_Zakir_Naik
He's good, very knowledgeable, but isn't a person to be completely relied on due to his Islamic education, so he can't give proper rulings on things, only relay other rulings to the people to be fair. -
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Re: Islam and Zakir Naiklol!(Original post by NuckingFut)
If you're serious on getting any info about Islam, wikiislam is NOT the place to find it. Seriously, that site is as factual as the dm on Islam.
There is no place thats factual about islam and is acceptable to muslims when being used to refute islam. Even the koran gets dismissed as being "a bad translation" when the word is question is arabic with an arabic meaning and understanding.
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikThats a fair point but the site must hold a few truths for examples I've seen a programme where he said "The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes public property." Public property....really?! a woman does not HAVE to marry, she can still lead a religious and happy life without one.(Original post by NuckingFut)
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikI don't agree 100%, but certainly this to an extent.(Original post by Truthman)
lol!
There is no place thats factual about islam and is acceptable to muslims when being used to refute islam. Even the koran gets dismissed as being "a bad translation" when the word is question is arabic with an arabic meaning and understanding.
Where would you say is a good site to 'learn about islam'?
It's hilarious when they say 'You can;t trust that site, it's biased!' and then quote an Islamic site, as if it would have no bias
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikHe has an extremely good memory, and knows the Qur'an off by heart, as well as some other religious scriptures, facts and figures etc. This means that he's very good at providing information on Islam and related topics, he is able to point out and clear up misconceptions about it, and is able to give credibility to a lot of what he says by instantly providing a source or reference. He could probably win a lot of debates about Islam just by showing that the other person hasn't fully understood it, or has forgotten a key piece of information, or has a misconception of Islam.
On the other hand, when it comes to actual reasoning and logic, and knowledge regarding subjects which he hasn't committed to memory, I occasionally find myself cringing at some of the things he says, because they're either not true, or don't make sense.
His speeches and responses to questions sometimes don't sound like he's actually listening to what he's saying, but is just reciting like an actor reading out his lines (and in fact, many portions of his speeches can be found verbatim in previous speeches or writings by other people).
My opinion is very mixed. Some of his stuff is brilliant, and some is just awful, in my view.
I have been much more impressed by the lectures of Dr Gary Miller - much less famous than Dr Naik, hasn't memorised nearly as much as him, but always sounds as though he is thinking. You feel like you're listening to an intelligent person's thoughts, rather than someone reading from an encyclopaedia.Last edited by tazarooni89; 21-07-2012 at 03:32. -
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikBut if he believes he isn't completely reliable then he shouldnt set up a TV channel where nearly every programme has him on it. It's like he is glorifying himself.(Original post by Iqbal007)
wikiislam of all sources................look at the rebuttals, a lot of it is opinionated and doesn't allow a proper debate so how can they be, plus they use a very small amount of sources to base this on....
He's good, very knowledgeable, but isn't a person to be completely relied on due to his Islamic education, so he can't give proper rulings on things, only relay other rulings to the people to be fair.
Perhaps this source isn't completely reliable but surely some of what it says are good criticisms?
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikI'll have to look at the Dr Miller guy, thanks for your response(Original post by tazarooni89)
He has an extremely good memory, and knows the Qur'an off by heart, as well as some other religious scriptures, facts and figures etc. This means that he's very good at providing information on Islam and related topics, he is able to point out and clear up misconceptions about it, and is able to give credibility to a lot of what he says by instantly providing a source or reference.
On the other hand, when it comes to actual reasoning and logic, and knowledge regarding subjects which he hasn't committed to memory, I often find myself cringing at some of the things he says. His speeches and responses to questions sometimes don't sound like he's actually listening to what he's saying, but is just reciting like an actor reading out his lines (and in fact, many portions of his speeches can be found verbatim in previous speeches or writings by other people).
My opinion is very mixed. Some of his stuff is brilliant, and some is just awful, in my view.
I have been much more impressed by the lectures of Dr Gary Miller - much less famous than Dr Naik, hasn't memorised nearly as much as him, but always sounds as though he is thinking. You feel like you're listening to an intelligent person's thoughts, rather than someone reading from an encyclopaedia.
I agree, he explodes out loads of verses at lightning motion so people are in awe of his memorization of verses. But the actual substance of arguments aren't clear and coherent. -
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Re: Islam and Zakir NaikWell you got to also realise he's also doing dawah and has done a lot of good, even look at the reasons why he got into dawah............anyone can do dawah, to many extents he's good, just not good for giving ruling. There are loads of easily answerable questions which many Muslim's ask in India due to not being taught their faith properly.(Original post by Luxray)
But if he believes he isn't completely reliable then he shouldnt set up a TV channel where nearly every programme has him on it. It's like he is glorifying himself.
Perhaps this source isn't completely reliable but surely some of what it says are good criticisms?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk5q9...eature=related
Also you got to realise is that it is unreliable, the worst thing I hate about some youtube videos, is how they disable comments, theres got to be a reason why. Plus he follows this other branch where they believe the madhi came, etc doesn't Islamic mainstream views.
To be fair Zaik isn't amazing at everything, but you shouldn't let something from his early days put you off.
He's a reasonably decent guy for general Islamic knowledge....he does well in India due to poor education of Islam to those Muslims who are brought up quite culturally.
why? 
