[Cyanohydrin]

Yes..it is very bad in the west of Scotland, well all of the central belt really. Doesn't seem to be a problem in England & Wales though.

[Elrobi]

(Original post by Old Father Time)
Tough situation this. Personally, I'm a supporter of the republicans. I like their modern approach of using Sinn Fein and trying to democratically unite Ireland. All very good. I also like the goal they have of uniting their country which has been there since the formation of the Irish volunteers and later the Republican Army. However, I certainly do disagree with some of the tactics used against innocent people in Mainland Britain such as bombings in pubs ect. That is cowardly and disgraces the entire movement. As I said though, I do sympathise with them, being a Catholic myself with an Irish family, I know relatives who experienced some of the harsh conditions of being a Catholic in Ireland during the 20th century, and for the most part it was not easy. Many were harassed and oppressed, being treated as second class citizens for nothing but their beliefs. Clips like the one above appear to be simply using the excuse of sectarianism to create violence. Those who lived during the troubles would not want them to return and its quite disrespectful for those causing trouble to try to create violence and use religion as an excuse. Not too long ago, people had to fight due to oppression, now there is no need.

Do you not disagree with these tactics being used against innocent people in Northern Ireland, then? Also, to be honest, Catholics were only discriminated against in Northern Ireland throughout the 20th century- for most of the 20th century, most of Ireland was independent and Catholics, being the overwhelming majority of the population, were not discriminated against.

[Old Father Time]

(Original post by Elrobi)
Do you not disagree with these tactics being used against innocent people in Northern Ireland, then? Also, to be honest, Catholics were only discriminated against in Northern Ireland throughout the 20th century- for most of the 20th century, most of Ireland was independent and Catholics, being the overwhelming majority of the population, were not discriminated against.

Certainly, and I disagree. Of course, the problem was worse in Northern Ireland than in the republic or Ireland, however problems between Protestant and Catholic communities still existed. To say that Catholics were "only discriminated against in Northern Ireland" is not true. For example, bloody Sunday took place in Dublin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281920%29

[IRSP044]

(Original post by Flair91)
Makes you wonder how the IRA spawned out of this republican idealogy. After all it's nowhere near as secterian like the orange culture! It takes two to fight a war brah.

It would help if you knew a bit about what you where talking about. You clearly listen to the Brit Government propaganda too much and this it was all about catholics vs protestants and the nice old brits where in the middle lol.

[Elrobi]

(Original post by Old Father Time)
Certainly, and I disagree. Of course, the problem was worse in Northern Ireland than in the republic or Ireland, however problems between Protestant and Catholic communities still existed. To say that Catholics were "only discriminated against in Northern Ireland" is not true. For example, bloody Sunday took place in Dublin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281920%29

I wouldn't say Bloody Sunday was an example of anti-Catholic discrimination, to be fair, more an extremely violent (and naturally unjustifiable) response to paramilitary violence earlier in the day. I did also say for most of the twentieth century but I take your point that the early part did see widespread discrimination. It would be more accurate to say that Irish citizens were discriminated against in the whole of Ireland in the 20th century - 1829 onwards saw the relief of Catholics in the UK, afterall.

[Sgany]

Here we go again...

[Negaduck]

Congratulations, in one thread you managed to showcase exactly why I am leaving Northern Ireland in September, using only your ignorant comments. Bravo. Republicans and Loyalists are as bad as each other- if you argue otherwise then you obviously haven't seen both sides, the sooner they grow up, the sooner NI can have a proper debate about whether we should be a part of the UK or a part of Ireland. Until then, I don't want to live here and have to watch two sides blindly hate each other and act like children. Sure, England won't exactly be bliss, but at least one monkey will be off my back.

[Old Father Time]

(Original post by Elrobi)
I wouldn't say Bloody Sunday was an example of anti-Catholic discrimination, to be fair, more an extremely violent (and naturally unjustifiable) response to paramilitary violence earlier in the day. I did also say for most of the twentieth century but I take your point that the early part did see widespread discrimination. It would be more accurate to say that Irish citizens were discriminated against in the whole of Ireland in the 20th century - 1829 onwards saw the relief of Catholics in the UK, afterall.

I agree. You clearly know your onions on this topic. How nice is it to have a discussion about this without reverting to republican/loyalist trash talk?

[Meteorshower]

(Original post by Negaduck)
Congratulations, in one thread you managed to showcase exactly why I am leaving Northern Ireland in September, using only your ignorant comments. Bravo. Republicans and Loyalists are as bad as each other- if you argue otherwise then you obviously haven't seen both sides, the sooner they grow up, the sooner NI can have a proper debate about whether we should be a part of the UK or a part of Ireland. Until then, I don't want to live here and have to watch two sides blindly hate each other and act like children. Sure, England won't exactly be bliss, but at least one monkey will be off my back.

I literally don't know anyone from Northern Ireland who doesn't have the same opinion as this.

[GR3YFOXXX]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Our country our rules.
Our ancestors won the Boyne not theirs.
Ulster is Protestant, has been Protestant and shall always remain Protestant Loyalist.
These people who protest the Orange Order need to understand whos paying whos welfare.

FGAPU

You are a bigot and a moron.

1. They Battle of the Boyne hardly ended Irish history and debate. The fact that you would cite a 17th century battle before the Good Friday Agreement shows how up to date your politics is.

2. Ulster is actually majority Nationalist. The 9 counties of Ulster have a large majority of Catholics. Even of the 6 counties of Norther Ireland 4 have Catholic majorities.

3. The link between the orange order and welfare does not even make sense. They are a tiny section of the population, Northern Irelands social welfare is paid for by both catholics and protestants. If anything the public funding for "orange fest" is a drain on public coffers, not to mention a massive cost for those businesses who must close on the date.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by GR3YFOXXX)
You are a bigot and a moron.

1. They Battle of the Boyne hardly ended Irish history and debate. The fact that you would cite a 17th century battle before the Good Friday Agreement shows how up to date your politics is.

2. Ulster is actually majority Nationalist. The 9 counties of Ulster have a large majority of Catholics. Even of the 6 counties of Norther Ireland 4 have Catholic majorities.

3. The link between the orange order and welfare does not even make sense. They are a tiny section of the population, Northern Irelands social welfare is paid for by both catholics and protestants. If anything the public funding for "orange fest" is a drain on public coffers, not to mention a massive cost for those businesses who must close on the date.

Timmy, before you question someone elses intelligence do some research. All polls conducted now show that a majority of Catholics in NI prefer for long term, the Union over unification.

I was merely pointing out that statistically, there are far more Catholics in Northern Ireland scrounging and on benefits than Protestants. And your the ones who go all looney and wreck you own neighbourhoods. Sticks and stones may brake my bones, but flutes will never hurt me.

Just face it the dream of a United Ireland is more dead and buried than the wasted snooker case Flooby Sands was buried in.

[bestofyou]

(Original post by Menefrego88)
I blame the Republicans for this.

(Original post by Shabalala)
Well there are two groups with two completley different ideas and who want two completley different things of course there is going to be hatred and violence. Northern Ireland is part of the UK and people have the right to stop any attempt to change that. The majority of people in Northern Ireland want to remain part of the UK so stop with the ultra liberal bull**** you get on this forum the IRA (and UVF etc...) are all scumbags and thugs who should never have been released from prison under the good Friday agreement people who murdered children for no reason were released and pardoned that is a disgrace.

There are Republican marches aswell as Orange Marches so people are perfectly entitled to celebrate their culture and show that Northern Irish is part of the UK of course some people in it hate Catholics and sing nasty songs about them but the same goes for Republicans they do the same so don't dare try and critisise the Protestant community when the Catholics do the same.

Do these republican parades start several months before the date the celebrate and end several weeks after? Do the republicans purposely parade around unionist areas? Do they go in to unionist constituencies and erect not only republican arches but anti-protestant ones? Do the plaster unionist towns in green white and orange, IRA and IRB flags? no, no they do nothing even close so you have no grounds for comparision here really.

Second of all, the highlighted point, and I all most stopped reading your post at the words 'the majority'. The 'majority' is not a majority by very much tbh, but regardless of how much a majority it is, once upon a time a much larger majority of the island wanted home rule, was this majority listened to? no, instead a very small and sectarian minority in the north of the island was the only group that was listened to. So why should we give a ****ing **** what the backward, sectarian and racist majority or northern Ireland want? And don't say becuase they are a majority because the demands of quasi-fascists really shouldn't be allowed a single bit of attention.

I can't believe the stick the BNP get when all these years a slightly more moderate version of the BNP, the DUP, are being elected every time to parliament.

[bestofyou]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Timmy, before you question someone elses intelligence do some research. All polls conducted now show that a majority of Catholics in NI prefer for long term, the Union over unification.

I was merely pointing out that statistically, there are far more Catholics in Northern Ireland scrounging and on benefits than Protestants. And your the ones who go all looney and wreck you own neighbourhoods. Sticks and stones may brake my bones, but flutes will never hurt me.

Just face it the dream of a United Ireland is more dead and buried than the wasted snooker case Flooby Sands was buried in.

Majority of catholics want to remain in the union for the long term? Were these 'catholics' found on the shankill road by any chance?

Also, please show the statistics for the majority of people living off benefits being catholics? Besides, even if you don't show those stats (because they don't exist) it would probably make sense given that it is catholics who live in the more economically deprived areas west of the bann and the fact they are a much younger population. In other words, there are no jobs to go into after they leave school and they are leaving in greater numbers and living in area with less work, which I may add is the result of unionist sectarianism going back to the 1920s.

United Ireland dead and buried? Perhaps it is you who should do your research, because there is a very important part of the GFA that states a referendum on the Gov. of Northern Ireland act must be held. Once it is first held, it shall be held every 10years until it is finally passed...so once this referendum goes through, it is in fact the union between the two kingdoms that will be dead. All it is waiting for are the nails in the coffin.

Plus before you start on the hunger strikers, once again do your research, because there were also loyalist hunger strikers. Besides, nobody cares when you guys make fun of republican martyrs because we know you are all just a bunch of racists who think you are superior. Just because you have no martyrs of your own doesn't mean you have to get bitter. Why not go celebrate your serial killing UVF 'soldiers' or the proclaimed 'success' you guys had when you pruposely killed 33people in the south?

[Manitude]

(Original post by Negaduck)
Congratulations, in one thread you managed to showcase exactly why I am leaving Northern Ireland in September, using only your ignorant comments. Bravo. Republicans and Loyalists are as bad as each other- if you argue otherwise then you obviously haven't seen both sides, the sooner they grow up, the sooner NI can have a proper debate about whether we should be a part of the UK or a part of Ireland. Until then, I don't want to live here and have to watch two sides blindly hate each other and act like children. Sure, England won't exactly be bliss, but at least one monkey will be off my back.

I think if I were in your position I'd probably do the same. Most people in England are not aware of what has happened in Ireland or why (myself included) but from what I do know, it's just a constant tit-for-tat revenge. Both sides claim the other has done terrible things, and in fairness I think that is true. I remember the Good Friday agreement and how it seemed like the only way to put the past behind...but the spirit of it seems to be largely ignored.

I can't really form an opinion on who is right or wrong, but I do resent when people blame me for something that the government did before I was born. Thankfully this doesn't happen too often.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by bestofyou)
Majority of catholics want to remain in the union for the long term? Were these 'catholics' found on the shankill road by any chance?

Also, please show the statistics for the majority of people living off benefits being catholics? Besides, even if you don't show those stats (because they don't exist) it would probably make sense given that it is catholics who live in the more economically deprived areas west of the bann and the fact they are a much younger population. In other words, there are no jobs to go into after they leave school and they are leaving in greater numbers and living in area with less work, which I may add is the result of unionist sectarianism going back to the 1920s.

United Ireland dead and buried? Perhaps it is you who should do your research, because there is a very important part of the GFA that states a referendum on the Gov. of Northern Ireland act must be held. Once it is first held, it shall be held every 10years until it is finally passed...so once this referendum goes through, it is in fact the union between the two kingdoms that will be dead. All it is waiting for are the nails in the coffin.

Plus before you start on the hunger strikers, once again do your research, because there were also loyalist hunger strikers. Besides, nobody cares when you guys make fun of republican martyrs because we know you are all just a bunch of racists who think you are superior. Just because you have no martyrs of your own doesn't mean you have to get bitter. Why not go celebrate your serial killing UVF 'soldiers' or the proclaimed 'success' you guys had when you pruposely killed 33people in the south?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland...oc3_n041.shtml

See for yourself. Also i note that you are going to study in England. hmmmmm nothing hypocritical there. Mabey if you want to not be part a the Kingdom you should state the hell out of it.

[IRSP044]

(Original post by Negaduck)
Congratulations, in one thread you managed to showcase exactly why I am leaving Northern Ireland in September, using only your ignorant comments. Bravo. Republicans and Loyalists are as bad as each other- if you argue otherwise then you obviously haven't seen both sides, the sooner they grow up, the sooner NI can have a proper debate about whether we should be a part of the UK or a part of Ireland. Until then, I don't want to live here and have to watch two sides blindly hate each other and act like children. Sure, England won't exactly be bliss, but at least one monkey will be off my back.

You:

[barnetlad]

I was discussing Scottish football with someone yesterday and we both felt that sectarian songs may be more common this season at Rangers' games with them in Division Three.

[bestofyou]

(Original post by jcrusader)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland...oc3_n041.shtml

See for yourself. Also i note that you are going to study in England. hmmmmm nothing hypocritical there. Mabey if you want to not be part a the Kingdom you should state the hell out of it.

your source is 14years old...

yes I am going to study in England because quite frankly I am sick of this ****ty little bigot riddled island. The politics of this land north and south make me sick to my teeth. I couldn't give two ****s about the politics here, I just so happened to click on this thread and ended up getting roped in trying to correct a few bigots with a tit-for-tat mentality.

Why do you care I am catholic? Why does he care you are protestant? We are all the ****ing damn same, there isn't even the argument for 'Irish/British' anymore, everyone has either orange or native Irish blood in them somewhere down the line. So in that case, you want to know what is hypocritical? This ****ing island, filled with them...everywhere! The entire island's political system has been established on utter ****ing bull****. Think about it, protestant supremacy is a flawed idea, a large number of the planters would have been decendants of the Celts somewhere along the line, who funnily enough were the same people native to that of Ireland (at the time)...so protestant or catholic, we are the same ****ing damn people, I honestly have to ****ing well laugh at the politics over here. I feel so ashamed when I get caught up in it myself.

As soon as I get my education out of the way I am getting out of the place for good, somewhere like Canada or NZ where these stupid politics can't find me

[L i b]

Yes, there's a lot of it. What gets me really pissed off is that both sides pathetically try to play the victim there's days. Note the OP's video: the Orange lot suggesting that their culture is discriminated against, the Catholics playing the poor, innocent local residents card. Yet there's both sides throwing ****ing bottles at each other.

If they weren't a bunch of cowards, they'd just come out with signs saying 'we hate you and want a fight'.

[GR3YFOXXX]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Timmy, before you question someone elses intelligence do some research. All polls conducted now show that a majority of Catholics in NI prefer for long term, the Union over unification.

I was merely pointing out that statistically, there are far more Catholics in Northern Ireland scrounging and on benefits than Protestants. And your the ones who go all looney and wreck you own neighbourhoods. Sticks and stones may brake my bones, but flutes will never hurt me.

Just face it the dream of a United Ireland is more dead and buried than the wasted snooker case Flooby Sands was buried in.

Bigot and a moron.

Your statistics of 'scrounging' date back 13 years and merely highlight pre GFA biases, you obviously didn't understand the article or didn't even read it. It's people like you who ruin Northern Ireland, bigotry for bigotry's sake.
As for my scrounging Catholic friends, they are Lawyers, Doctors, Accountants, Executives, Pharmacists, Cops, Barristers etc.

A great many of my friends in Derry & Belfast are unionist and they would be embarrassed by the likes of you.

What age are you? Just out of curiosity.