[GR3YFOXXX]

(Original post by jcrusader)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland...oc3_n041.shtml

See for yourself. Also i note that you are going to study in England. hmmmmm nothing hypocritical there. Mabey if you want to not be part a the Kingdom you should state the hell out of it.

Thats like saying "If you dont want Northern Ireland to be part of Spain, you should stay the hell out of Spain." Nah thanks I'd rather just go on my holidays.

[Elrobi]

(Original post by Old Father Time)
I agree. You clearly know your onions on this topic. How nice is it to have a discussion about this without reverting to republican/loyalist trash talk?

So nice! If only discussion was more common and republican/loyalist ****heads more rare...

[IRSP044]

(Original post by jcrusader)
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WE WER NAT ABUSED!!!!!

No Surrender!

You should be banned for that post ya sick bastard.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by IRSP044)
You should be banned for that post ya sick bastard.

Why? Your the one drawing conclusions. Always like to play the victime. At least i am not the one in banter with IRA supporters. Shall we go into specific details to the crimes they have commited.

[chrisawhitmore]

Perhaps if we banned religious schools in NI then the 'them and us' mentality wouldn't be so prevalent. Just a thought.

[IRSP044]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Why? Your the one drawing conclusions. Always like to play the victime. At least i am not the one in banter with IRA supporters. Shall we go into specific details to the crimes they have commited.

Aye Aye you knew exactly what you where saying! Im in banter with IRA supporters? What does that mean?

Crimes in whos eye?

[GR3YFOXXX]

JCrusader sounds like he's 12 years old, just been indoctrinated by the bigots he grew up with.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by GR3YFOXXX)
Thats like saying "If you dont want Northern Ireland to be part of Spain, you should stay the hell out of Spain." Nah thanks I'd rather just go on my holidays.

No but Spain isn't part of the Union. You can't demand to leave a Union but at the same time move to the main part for your own advantage. Completely hypocritical.

And what exactly makes me a bigot?

[Dirac Delta Function]

I'm just wandering if/when a Sunni-Shia war will start here. The Sunnis already drew first blood in Belgium (so far no retaliation from the Shia), lets see if they do the same in Britain.

[GR3YFOXXX]

(Original post by jcrusader)
No but Spain isn't part of the Union. You can't demand to leave a Union but at the same time move to the main part for your own advantage. Completely hypocritical.

And what exactly makes me a bigot?

Yes you can, the EU allows for the free movement of people so theres nothing to do with the Union there. Furthermore sovereign independence is quite a seperate issue from immigration.

What makes you a bigot? Just look at your previous posts;

-Catholics are scroungers
-Flobby Sands buried in a snooker case
-Claims that Orange men somehow pay Catholic welfare
-Ulster is Protestant (when in fact the majority of the people living in Ulster are Catholic)

You have a seriously short term memory.

[Heskey]

I think they're all as bad as each other and I propose a cull !

[jcrusader]

(Original post by GR3YFOXXX)
Yes you can, the EU allows for the free movement of people so theres nothing to do with the Union there. Furthermore sovereign independence is quite a seperate issue from immigration.

What makes you a bigot? Just look at your previous posts;

-Catholics are scroungers
-Flobby Sands buried in a snooker case
-Claims that Orange men somehow pay Catholic welfare
-Ulster is Protestant (when in fact the majority of the people living in Ulster are Catholic)

You have a seriously short term memory.

Its irrelevant if it is legal or not, Its completely hypocritical. Want seperation from England? Then lead by example and don't go to it.

Flobby Flabby Flands deserves no respect, he was an PIRA memeber and a murderer.

I dont consider those RoI parts to be Ulster.

Its not bigoted to hate an organisaton that in its time has cumulated enough kills to match the holocaust. Not to mention the child abuse.

Lets all not forget which part of Ireland fueled German U-Boats by night.

[bestofyou]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Its irrelevant if it is legal or not, Its completely hypocritical. Want seperation from England? Then lead by example and don't go to it.

Flobby Flabby Flands deserves no respect, he was an PIRA memeber and a murderer.

I dont consider those RoI parts to be Ulster.

Its not bigoted to hate an organisaton that in its time has cumulated enough kills to match the holocaust. Not to mention the child abuse.

Lets all not forget which part of Ireland fueled German U-Boats by night.

Sorry to tell you but Ulster has nine counties, not considering the free state counties part of ulster is like me saying that I don't consider North Yorkshire to be part of England. Historically, well after the plantations Ulster had a protestant majority. This majority began to fade over time however with Ulster eventually becoming once again a province with a catholic majority, because in its history it was once majority protestant the province is still referred to by protestants as a protestant land despite the fact it no longer actaully is. When they are questioned on the matter, like you were, they tend to gerrymander the province and ignoring 1000's of years of history they will call 6 counties in northern ireland Ulster, rendering homelss 3 counties, which is exactly what you did.

Sadly for you though, Ulster is now a catholic province and northern ireland's protestant majority is dwindling so you can keep your sectarian gimmicks going as long as you want, but facts are facts.

Btw, every county in ireland has a home in one of the four provinces. Which provinces are Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan in? Or prehaps they are in the 'im insecure about the future of Northern Ireland/hate all catholics' province?

As for the german thing, you sure you want to play that card? Because there are quite a few things much worse that can be called upon the UK, for example their involvement in the genocide in East Timor along with a string of other disasters across the world, as for you, the german card (which is a rather weak one) is all you have to play.


You sir, are a bigot who knows nothing but the bigotry way of every other bigotry before you...every single one of you couldn't string 1 reason together as to why you hate catholics other than the fact that they are catholics....lol, seriously you guys are deluded


Anyway, I have to go home now to Ulster, in case you are wondering where that is, it is the area inside the perimeter of my house. You see I don't consider anywhere outside my house in Ulster to actually be Ulster, only the area inside my house is Ulster. You see how easy it is to make up new borders in my head? I mean, why should I settle for a province, I should make my own country...right here, in my back garden, then I can be president, or king....that right, I'm the KING OF ULSTER...bow down before me you christian over another dominion and therefore is inferior to me because you say the 'our Father' in a slighly different way and for this reason I shall hate to even though I'm not exactly sure just why I hate you, but I know it is because of a religious something or other but not sure why that matters anyway because I don't even bother with religous beliefs really...however if there is some religious hating to be done I'm game for that



There we go, Northern Irish politics summed up in a few paragraphs, general conclusion = complete load of utter **** and we have all come so far hating each other 90% of the people doing the hating don't even know why. Typical, always find something to fight over.

[GR3YFOXXX]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Its irrelevant if it is legal or not, Its completely hypocritical. Want seperation from England? Then lead by example and don't go to it.

Flobby Flabby Flands deserves no respect, he was an PIRA memeber and a murderer.

I dont consider those RoI parts to be Ulster.

Its not bigoted to hate an organisaton that in its time has cumulated enough kills to match the holocaust. Not to mention the child abuse.

Lets all not forget which part of Ireland fueled German U-Boats by night.

Exactly, a bigot and a moron.

What nonsense you write, Ireland was never a part of England. And of course it matters if its legal or not. Whats more, thousands of Nigerians/Indians/Pakistanis/Australians/Canadians live in the UK, it does not mean they want their respective countries to be a part of the UK, they value their sovereign independence. Seriously how old are you, you grasp on politics is infantile at best.

1. It's not about respect, what you said was clearly incendiary. Furthermore Bobby Sands was never convicted of murder.

2. You need to make more effort at Geography, F. Clearly you don't know Irish geography or history. Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan are most definitely in Ulster if not in Northern Ireland. What you 'consider' does not matter.

3. I genuinely do not understand what you are even referring to here. The orange order is clearly a bigotted organisation.

4. Ireland also handed over German POWs to the UK and USA despite being NEUTRAL.

You sound like an incoherent moron.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by GR3YFOXXX)
Exactly, a bigot and a moron.

What nonsense you write, Ireland was never a part of England. And of course it matters if its legal or not. Whats more, thousands of Nigerians/Indians/Pakistanis/Australians/Canadians live in the UK, it does not mean they want their respective countries to be a part of the UK, they value their sovereign independence. Seriously how old are you, you grasp on politics is infantile at best.

1. It's not about respect, what you said was clearly incendiary. Furthermore Bobby Sands was never convicted of murder.

2. You need to make more effort at Geography, F. Clearly you don't know Irish geography or history. Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan are most definitely in Ulster if not in Northern Ireland. What you 'consider' does not matter.

3. I genuinely do not understand what you are even referring to here. The orange order is clearly a bigotted organisation.

4. Ireland also handed over German POWs to the UK and USA despite being NEUTRAL.

You sound like an incoherent moron.

Well the moron won the Boyne.

Bobby Sands was a member of a child molesting/mudering group. Furthmore he was believed to have caused the bombing Balmoral and also opened fire on the RUC. He was not convicted however because there was not enough evidence, but we all know he did it.

Don't judge my Geography when on your profile you say your from "Derry". A place that doesn't even exist. Prehaps you mean Londonderry the official name.
Also looking at your Geography again you keep on referring to Ireland which isn't a country.

The Republic of Ireland had lots of Nazi sympathisers.


Nigerians/Indians/Pakistanis/Australians/Canadians, don't and have no way of supporting seperatist ideologies relating to the UK. More over the fact these people generally except British ideologies and are proud to be British. You on the other hand are completely the opposite.

Don't you even think if people knew that you, support Flobby Sands hence support parts of the IRA, Martin Mcguiness the head of the IRA, want Northern Ireland seperate from the United Kingdom, yet want to move to Britain. That the thought "whats he doing here then? Won't even cross their mind
You just want to leech off something when it suits you.

Truth be it, i never undertsand why you want a United Ireland. I mean just look around you, Nationalism is dying because people of our generation are more interested in British tv shows British music than in backwards Irish culture. We al the know the Queens visit was the final part of the cementation process. Hell you even had to rely on us for bailout, even your own politicians are saying you should have never left the Union. I also find in very amusing that 20% of the RoI population live in the UK. Truely it is a pathetic country.

[GR3YFOXXX]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Well the moron won the Boyne.

Bobby Sands was a member of a child molesting/mudering group. Furthmore he was believed to have caused the bombing Balmoral and also opened fire on the RUC. He was not convicted however because there was not enough evidence, but we all know he did it.

Don't judge my Geography when on your profile you say your from "Derry". A place that doesn't even exist. Prehaps you mean Londonderry the official name.
Also looking at your Geography again you keep on referring to Ireland which isn't a country.

The Republic of Ireland had lots of Nazi sympathisers.


Nigerians/Indians/Pakistanis/Australians/Canadians, don't and have no way of supporting seperatist ideologies relating to the UK. More over the fact these people generally except British ideologies and are proud to be British. You on the other hand are completely the opposite.

Don't you even think if people knew that you, support Flobby Sands hence support parts of the IRA, Martin Mcguiness the head of the IRA, want Northern Ireland seperate from the United Kingdom, yet want to move to Britain. That the thought "whats he doing here then? Won't even cross their mind
You just want to leech off something when it suits you.

Truth be it, i never undertsand why you want a United Ireland. I mean just look around you, Nationalism is dying because people of our generation are more interested in British tv shows British music than in backwards Irish culture. We al the know the Queens visit was the final part of the cementation process. Hell you even had to rely on us for bailout, even your own politicians are saying you should have never left the Union. I also find in very amusing that 20% of the RoI population live in the UK. Truely it is a pathetic country.

You won the Boyne aye? So you're over 300 years old, fair play. I'm an atheist, I actually don't care which of two English Kings won a fight. Furthermore the Republic of Ireland achieved independence, as did India, South Africa, Canada, the USA, Pakistan et al. The Boyne is a merely a footnote in History and the pathetically diaphanous bastion of bigotry in Northern Ireland.

I'm not here to defend the IRA, but I genuinely don't think they were ever accused of molesting kids. The troubles were a dark time for Northern Ireland and the sad fact is that Paramilitaries on both sides of the divide did their fair share of murdering.

Derry doesnt exist? Well then I hope you don't ever fly in to Derry City Airport or sit on Derry City council or watch Derry City Football club. Not to mention, I'm sure that you have done your fair share of rioting at the marches of the Apprentice Boys of Derry. Derry has existed since 400 AD, it was only contentiously renamed 1200 years later.

I'd like you to find where I refer to Ireland as a country. You clearly have trouble with English as well as Geograpy. Ireland is an Island clearly within the remit of geographical distinction.

The RoI has Nazi sympathisers! What about the UK & N.I? Just look at the BNP, Combat 18, Loyalist Paramilitaries, Colin Jordan & John Bean... you are a deluded and misguided bigot.

Your response to the separate issues of sovereignty and immigration is rambling and nonsensical, for that reason I am unable to respond to your incoherent gibberish. You clearly can't even grasp such a simple concept.

How can Nationalism be dying? Sinn Fein are the second largest party in the N.I assembly. Their mandate has grown at every election in the 21st century. The last time the Queen was here, she shook Marty's hand. A sign, if anything, that Nationalism shall not be quelled.

I myself have studied British and Irish Law, I have a masters in Law and I am partially qualified accountant specialising in British tax. You make a huge number of assumptions. I'm a nationalist yes, but I am not an intolerant bigot. I'm aware of the sensitivities in contemporary Northern Ireland, you on the otherhand are a bigot who persistently spouts nonsense.

You continually reinforce why I think you are a bigot and a moron.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by bestofyou)
Sorry to tell you but Ulster has nine counties, not considering the free state counties part of ulster is like me saying that I don't consider North Yorkshire to be part of England. Historically, well after the plantations Ulster had a protestant majority. This majority began to fade over time however with Ulster eventually becoming once again a province with a catholic majority, because in its history it was once majority protestant the province is still referred to by protestants as a protestant land despite the fact it no longer actaully is. When they are questioned on the matter, like you were, they tend to gerrymander the province and ignoring 1000's of years of history they will call 6 counties in northern ireland Ulster, rendering homelss 3 counties, which is exactly what you did.

Sadly for you though, Ulster is now a catholic province and northern ireland's protestant majority is dwindling so you can keep your sectarian gimmicks going as long as you want, but facts are facts.

Btw, every county in ireland has a home in one of the four provinces. Which provinces are Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan in? Or prehaps they are in the 'im insecure about the future of Northern Ireland/hate all catholics' province?

As for the german thing, you sure you want to play that card? Because there are quite a few things much worse that can be called upon the UK, for example their involvement in the genocide in East Timor along with a string of other disasters across the world, as for you, the german card (which is a rather weak one) is all you have to play.


You sir, are a bigot who knows nothing but the bigotry way of every other bigotry before you...every single one of you couldn't string 1 reason together as to why you hate catholics other than the fact that they are catholics....lol, seriously you guys are deluded


Anyway, I have to go home now to Ulster, in case you are wondering where that is, it is the area inside the perimeter of my house. You see I don't consider anywhere outside my house in Ulster to actually be Ulster, only the area inside my house is Ulster. You see how easy it is to make up new borders in my head? I mean, why should I settle for a province, I should make my own country...right here, in my back garden, then I can be president, or king....that right, I'm the KING OF ULSTER...bow down before me you christian over another dominion and therefore is inferior to me because you say the 'our Father' in a slighly different way and for this reason I shall hate to even though I'm not exactly sure just why I hate you, but I know it is because of a religious something or other but not sure why that matters anyway because I don't even bother with religous beliefs really...however if there is some religious hating to be done I'm game for that



There we go, Northern Irish politics summed up in a few paragraphs, general conclusion = complete load of utter **** and we have all come so far hating each other 90% of the people doing the hating don't even know why. Typical, always find something to fight over.

Responded to 90% percent of this with other posts.
Catholic birth rates are declining faster than Protestants. Our generation should be about equal. Anyway i couldn't care less, nearly every single poll conducted in the last 5-8 years has shown the majority of Catholics favour the Union for the long term. What do you expect, we are all watching British tv shows, watching British movies, listening to British music, watching British sports. In the future nationalism will just be a bad memory.

[jcrusader]

(Original post by GR3YFOXXX)
You won the Boyne aye? So you're over 300 years old, fair play. I'm an atheist, I actually don't care which of two English Kings won a fight. Furthermore the Republic of Ireland achieved independence, as did India, South Africa, Canada, the USA, Pakistan et al. The Boyne is a merely a footnote in History and the pathetically diaphanous bastion of bigotry in Northern Ireland.

I'm not here to defend the IRA, but I genuinely don't think they were ever accused of molesting kids. The troubles were a dark time for Northern Ireland and the sad fact is that Paramilitaries on both sides of the divide did their fair share of murdering.

Derry doesnt exist? Well then I hope you don't ever fly in to Derry City Airport or sit on Derry City council or watch Derry City Football club. Not to mention, I'm sure that you have done your fair share of rioting at the marches of the Apprentice Boys of Derry. Derry has existed since 400 AD, it was only contentiously renamed 1200 years later.

I'd like you to find where I refer to Ireland as a country. You clearly have trouble with English as well as Geograpy. Ireland is an Island clearly within the remit of geographical distinction.

The RoI has Nazi sympathisers! What about the UK & N.I? Just look at the BNP, Combat 18, Loyalist Paramilitaries, Colin Jordan & John Bean... you are a deluded and misguided bigot.

Your response to the separate issues of sovereignty and immigration is rambling and nonsensical, for that reason I am unable to respond to your incoherent gibberish. You clearly can't even grasp such a simple concept.

How can Nationalism be dying? Sinn Fein are the second largest party in the N.I assembly. Their mandate has grown at every election in the 21st century. The last time the Queen was here, she shook Marty's hand. A sign, if anything, that Nationalism shall not be quelled.



I myself have studied British and Irish Law, I have a masters in Law and I am partially qualified accountant specialising in British tax. You make a huge number of assumptions. I'm a nationalist yes, but I am not an intolerant bigot. I'm aware of the sensitivities in contemporary Northern Ireland, you on the otherhand are a bigot who persistently spouts nonsense.

You continually reinforce why I think you are a bigot and a moron.

Mate, you're a Catholic and a Jacobite. Republic of Ireland achieved independence? Lol their is a fine line between that and just given it away.

The Boyne was a footnote? A footnote? Really? It determined the Dynasty of the monarchy! Arguably it was one of the most influential battles ever!

There is nothing wrong with celebrating our culture, we can march where we like.

Irish culture is dying, period. In the Republic and the North, we all watch British
TV, watch British sports, listen to British music, speak English...No one is interested in that dead culture anymore.

I very much liked the free mason handshake McGuiness gave to the Queen. You think the British Government would do something that would not be beneficial to them. It was the cementation to who own what. McGuiness was stuck between a rock and a hard place. He has become a West Brit and sold his people out. Look at the opinion polls, if you don't think Nationalism is dying. Seriously, look right now.

You forgot the Siege of Derry..... Anyhow its Official name is Londonderry. Call it what you will but facts are facts.

Combat 18 are all over Ireland you moron its a world wide group.
The BNP are racist yes, but not as bad as the Leftwing Zionist controlled media make them out to be. But some of their policies are very appealling, especially the death penalty for pedophiles part . And a least there leaders don't consist of a murderer and the other one a contender for The Peverted Family of the year award.
As for the loyalist part, never heard of them.

As i said you need the UK but at the same won't it dismantled. No doubt on arms forces day your'll refuse to wear a poppy. Nationalists feel that they have been colinised yet there are more Irish in England than Unionists in NI.

[bestofyou]

(Original post by jcrusader)
Responded to 90% percent of this with other posts.
Catholic birth rates are declining faster than Protestants. Our generation should be about equal. Anyway i couldn't care less, nearly every single poll conducted in the last 5-8 years has shown the majority of Catholics favour the Union for the long term. What do you expect, we are all watching British tv shows, watching British movies, listening to British music, watching British sports. In the future nationalism will just be a bad memory.

I'll bet that Ulster being 9 counties etc falls in that 10% because there is no unionist reaction to basic facts other than their usual sectarian bigotry.

Show me a source for those rather ludicrous points you make? Because two can play at that game. Did you know that Ed Miliband is in secert talks with the Irish Nationalist parties? Yes, they are planning on creating an alliance, if they back what ever labour bills go through when they next get to power, they will remove the Gov of NI act. Very True .

One more thing, you need to cure your bigotry mind before it is too late. Catholicism is a religion. Irish Nationalism is not. The two things are not interchangeable. Not that is matters because the majority of Catholics do no favour the union long term.


Anyway, the latter point you make, about the British influence and it wiping out nationalism is a very dangerous assumption to make. All those points you made (replacing TV for theatre/literature) were actually the same key points that lead to the Gaelic Revival and if you know your history that turned out to be a disaster for Britain and Irish Unionism. So if I was you I wouldn't be so quick to relax at the thought of nationalism being replaced by British influences.

[PaddyT]

Why the orange order actually has legal status is beyond me. A body which promotes prejudice, oppression and complete segregated hatred. Having a group with such a grip on certain areas of society is not healthy and only maintains the tension rather than aid peace.