Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.
Got a breaking news topic or want to post the most recent issues for sensible, on-topic discussion? This is the forum for you.
| Announcements | Posted on | |
|---|---|---|
| TSR launches Learn Together! - Our new subscription to help improve your learning | 16-05-2013 | |
-
- Reputation:
- Peer Of The TSR Realm
- Location: Hot! is the weather where I'm from. Hot! is situations that come. | Posts: No letters for me today
- Warning points: 5
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.Partly and the Hungerford massacre and concerns over violence in the media. I don't understand how an enlightened society can make laws in such a fashion, it's like a bunch of mail reading mothers took over that part of parliament(Original post by thunder_chunky)
Do you mean the gun laws passed after the Dunblane massacre? -
- Reputation:
- Exalted and Worshipped Member
- Posts: 1,036
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.The reason it's not common is that most people aren't crazy. You can pretty easily kill a lot of people anywhere if you are willing to put an arbitrary amount of preparation into it and don't particularly care what happens to you afterwards. Arson is probably the simplest, but getting hold of a lorry or even just a regular car can cause a lot of damage. There have even been knife-sprees.(Original post by ESPORTIVA)
"Anybody in this country who wants to kill a lot of people in a crowded public space can do so fairly easily"
Wow, interesting article regarding the shooting in america, and the fact it could be happening everyday and its easy to do.
The US's high homicide rate - and in fact its high gun crime rate - is almost entirely 'routine' killings related to drugs in its urban ghettos. The eye-catching crazies are not particularly more common than in other countries. -
- Reputation:
- Peer Of The TSR Realm
- Location: Hot! is the weather where I'm from. Hot! is situations that come. | Posts: No letters for me today
- Warning points: 5
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.Great post. If guns are the problem why is gun crime concentrated in the inner city areas where legal gun ownership is at its lowest and carried out by gangs probably using illegally obtained weapons, but so rare in suburbia and the countryside where most people are packing legally?(Original post by Observatory)
The reason it's not common is that most people aren't crazy. You can pretty easily kill a lot of people anywhere if you are willing to put an arbitrary amount of preparation into it and don't particularly care what happens to you afterwards. Arson is probably the simplest, but getting hold of a lorry or even just a regular car can cause a lot of damage. There have even been knife-sprees.
The US's high homicide rate - and in fact its high gun crime rate - is almost entirely 'routine' killings related to drugs in its urban ghettos. The eye-catching crazies are not particularly more common than in other countries.
http://hnn.us/articles/871.html -
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Posts: 2,109
- Warning points: 20
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.But that's the thing, the guy had no criminal record, he was doing a PhD, so there wouldn't be anything to stop him buying a gun. It just shows that the people you least expect can go mental and kill a load of people. So even if they seem tough it doesn't matter because things like this still happen.(Original post by sugar-n-spice)
You have a very European view of American gun laws, they're tougher than you think.
-
- Reputation:
- Benevolent Member
- Location: East Yorkshire
- Posts: 781
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.All it means is that you may be checked before you go to the cinema, so it'll be harder to bring in your own food. You certainly won't be able to hide a toblerone in your socks anymore without causing suspicion.
-
- Reputation:
- Respected Member
- Posts: 185
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.Please elaborate on how the gun would have killed 14 people without a sadist pulling the trigger?(Original post by manchesterunited15)
Well yes, please tell me how that guy would have killed 14 people without a gun?
-
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Location: Wellington
- Warning points: 25
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.A Knife, bomb, chain saw, pick axe any number of nasty weapons...(Original post by manchesterunited15)
Well yes, please tell me how that guy would have killed 14 people without a gun?
-
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Posts: 2,109
- Warning points: 20
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.Well it wouldn't, but the shooting can only happen with both the gun and the sadist. Since you can never be sure whether a person is a sadist with the potential to go and shoot 14 people, it's easier to get rid of the guns than the person.(Original post by LordBradburn)
Please elaborate on how the gun would have killed 14 people without a sadist pulling the trigger?
-
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Posts: 2,109
- Warning points: 20
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.A knife, chain saw, pick axe you can all run away from, and are all easier to wrestle off someone in a crowded place. If someone has a gun and you don't there's literally nothing you can do. A bomb is a lot harder to make than simply ordering it off the internet...(Original post by cl_steele)
A Knife, bomb, chain saw, pick axe any number of nasty weapons...
There's a reason why people use guns; because they're most effective. You can't tell me there'd be just as many deaths in America if guns were illegal. -
- Reputation:
- Benevolent Member
- Posts: 844
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.If I'm holding a simple kitchen knife, it scares me because I usually think "wow I could just stab the nearest person to me". Of course I wouldn't but my mind never fails to remind me how easy it could be...
-
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Location: Wellington
- Warning points: 25
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.they were just but a few of a list as long as the m4 of weapons that you could use to the same effect...(Original post by manchesterunited15)
A knife, chain saw, pick axe you can all run away from, and are all easier to wrestle off someone in a crowded place. If someone has a gun and you don't there's literally nothing you can do. A bomb is a lot harder to make than simply ordering it off the internet...
There's a reason why people use guns; because they're most effective. You can't tell me there'd be just as many deaths in America if guns were illegal.
Some would beg to differ on that one as bombs, or at least their components, are ordered off of the internet and remember not all bombs are made with plastic explosives ... a gas canister for instance.
Its debateable, whilst guns do of course make the deed a lot easier and more 'efficient' if you want to kill someone youre going to do it anyway with or without a gun arent you? Whilst I dont agree with the Americans obscenely lax laws to gun control i still sympathise to the old adage; 'guns dont kill people, people do' after all a gun is an inanimate object and without a person to use it is little more than an expensive hammer is it?
Although why the Americans let people walk around with artillary pieces, assault rifles and extended clip handguns is beyond me unless the population is planning for war? -
- Reputation:
- TSR Demigod
- Location: Haus of GaGa
- Posts: 6,148
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.I'm going to America in a month and this post terrifies me. So it's not safe to be out after dark in a city?(Original post by UniversalAutocrat)
You should read the Chicago Tribune. Every day, dozens are shot - it seems so habitual to the reporters, that they just report them in bullet points as if to say, 'same old, same old'. Weekends seem to be a prime time for gun violence in the city. This weekend, I believe more than five people were killed and dozens injured (in separate events, hence why it doesn't make international or even national news, because it isn't a 'spree') - and that's in Chicago alone (Englewood seems to have lots of nightly action). I haven't even begun to check out other states but I promptly stopped on Chicago as it got depressing. -
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Posts: 253
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.What city are you going?(Original post by Sephiroth)
I'm going to America in a month and this post terrifies me. So it's not safe to be out after dark in a city?
Right now, through news media and statistical research, I only know of Chicago, which I (and many others) would describe as a Gotham City in need. Reading up about Chicago literally got me so depressed that I had to stop.
And it really depends where you are. I would suggest that you research the areas where you intend to go first (for example, some places in Washington are pretty bad). As regards Chicago, the northernmost parts of the city are quite alright, but they are of course the more affluent and stable areas. -
- Reputation:
- TSR Demigod
- Location: Haus of GaGa
- Posts: 6,148
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.I'm going to San Diego (where this shooter was born), San Francisco and Las Vegas. I never knew Chicago was bad. It looks like a cool city in photos.(Original post by UniversalAutocrat)
What city are you going?
Right now, through news media and statistical research, I only know of Chicago, which I (and many others) would describe as a Gotham City in need. Reading up about Chicago literally got me so depressed that I had to stop.
And it really depends where you are. I would suggest that you research the areas where you intend to go first (for example, some places in Washington are pretty bad). As regards Chicago, the northernmost parts of the city are quite alright, but they are of course the more affluent and stable areas. -
- Reputation:
- Banned
- Posts: 253
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.So I thought. However, as you keep travelling from the north to south Chicago, it'd be advisable to merely drive through some vicinities. In any case, I have to say that I have been to America (briefly around about three states - Nevada, Arizona and Utah) and all was well, but where I went may have been ok anyway.(Original post by Sephiroth)
I'm going to San Diego (where this shooter was born), San Francisco and Las Vegas. I never knew Chicago was bad. It looks like a cool city in photos.
But don't worry, it shouldn't be too bad. And the birthplace of Holmes being in San Diego means nothing. There are nutters all over America and with a gun, any nutter can do damage (but it really is concerning that such an intelligent being like Holmes could get so caught up in a film series and literally act like a deranged character - the Joker - and kill a dozen people and injure more dozens).
BTW, I've been to Vegas - all was well. However, when I went I did notice that it was quite 'quiet', not too many cars on the road and not too many people, but the casinos were fairly packed - must be something random and it was a few days ago lol - just thought I'd say
(Although, note that it was the early afternoon. In the night, the streets were packed especially when there was some sort of outside theatrical event going on).
-
- Reputation:
- Benevolent Member
- Posts: 667
Re: Cinema shooting: easy to do and could be more frequent.It was actually around 220 years ago. The constitution is a guideline and puts certain limits on the government. I do not see how anything in the constitution and the bill of rights is not still relevant today.(Original post by thunder_chunky)
I think it's attitudes towards guns that is the issue. The acceptance of it, the assumption that they belong in a society because it was said so in a piece of government legislation written 350 years ago in a time when they were needed.
and?(Original post by simibean)
Now the gun sales in the US have increased after the shootings, so now even more people have guns
There is going to be a spike in gun and ammunition sales around election time. If Obama wins that spike will be even more extreme.
When you order guns and ammo off the internet it is sent to an arms dealer who does the relevant checks. Buying online is just like buying in store. The media have really hyped this up when it is no different to buying in store.(Original post by manchesterunited15)
A knife, chain saw, pick axe you can all run away from, and are all easier to wrestle off someone in a crowded place. If someone has a gun and you don't there's literally nothing you can do. A bomb is a lot harder to make than simply ordering it off the internet...
There's a reason why people use guns; because they're most effective. You can't tell me there'd be just as many deaths in America if guns were illegal.
The thing to be more worried about than any of the things listed would be a bomb which by the way is not difficult to make.
Almost no Americans walk around with artillary, assault rifles or extended clip handguns.(Original post by cl_steele)
they were just but a few of a list as long as the m4 of weapons that you could use to the same effect...
Some would beg to differ on that one as bombs, or at least their components, are ordered off of the internet and remember not all bombs are made with plastic explosives ... a gas canister for instance.
Its debateable, whilst guns do of course make the deed a lot easier and more 'efficient' if you want to kill someone youre going to do it anyway with or without a gun arent you? Whilst I dont agree with the Americans obscenely lax laws to gun control i still sympathise to the old adage; 'guns dont kill people, people do' after all a gun is an inanimate object and without a person to use it is little more than an expensive hammer is it?
Although why the Americans let people walk around with artillary pieces, assault rifles and extended clip handguns is beyond me unless the population is planning for war?
The "assault weapon" James Holmes had is just a semi automatic rifle which looks scary and is therefore called an "assault weapon". There are hunting rifles which do the same thing and there are hunting rifles which fire a much more powerful round. They have a wooden base and dont look as scary so they are not considered assault weapons.
You can get a modified version of what he had here in the UK.
People need to learn the difference between an assault rifle and an assault weapon. Even some of the US media is getting it wrong.
Its not safe to be out after dark in certain areas of most cities(Original post by Sephiroth)
I'm going to America in a month and this post terrifies me. So it's not safe to be out after dark in a city?
You're going to be safe, you probably won't even see a gun while youre there.(Original post by Sephiroth)
I'm going to San Diego (where this shooter was born), San Francisco and Las Vegas. I never knew Chicago was bad. It looks like a cool city in photos.
Chicago has bad areas. It isnt bad all over. San Diego is an awesome city
