[IRSP044]

(Original post by Joinedup)
And you want to be united with the south in a 32 county socialist utopia.

lets see what the people in the south think of it...



Oh they think you should stop whining about non-existant police opression too.

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http://www.independent.ie/opinion/an...r-2608316.html

So you don't live in the north of Ireland and have absolutely zero experience of what your talking about.

And the random newspaper article is proof of nothing.

[social outcast]

makes the rider high up than the crowd there faster than humans and are intimidating

[Joinedup]

(Original post by IRSP044)
So you don't live in the north of Ireland and have absolutely zero experience of what your talking about.

And the random newspaper article is proof of nothing.

I know people that do and they think your lot are an irrelevant bunch of fools nursing an old grudge and unwilling to move on. Bitching about the police there Is like chaining yourself to the railings years after women have been given the vote and wondering why you're getting zero interest.

Seems to be reflecting the majority opinion really - please provide evidence other than photos of a dozen people holding NPSI=RUC placards and links to the website of that tiny micro faction you've named yourself after to show me I'm, wrong.

If it's so awful - tell Amnesty International and HRW cos they currently don't seem to be paying much attention to the suposedly desparate situation you're constantly droning about... in fact it looks almost exactly like you're making stuff up just for the sake of having something to moan about.

[IRSP044]

(Original post by Joinedup)
I know people that do and they think your lot are an irrelevant bunch of fools nursing an old grudge and unwilling to move on. Bitching about the police there Is like chaining yourself to the railings years after women have been given the vote and wondering why you're getting zero interest.

Seems to be reflecting the majority opinion really - please provide evidence other than photos of a dozen people holding NPSI=RUC placards and links to the website of that tiny micro faction you've named yourself after to show me I'm, wrong.

If it's so awful - tell Amnesty International and HRW cos they currently don't seem to be paying much attention to the suposedly desparate situation you're constantly droning about... in fact it looks almost exactly like you're making stuff up just for the sake of having something to moan about.

No you will find that most people in the Nationalist community do not trust or support the RUC/PSNI. This comes from experience. For example the different ways that they cops treat catholics and protestants. E.g. After a riot in ardoyne they raid loads of houses and make plenty of arrests and well as targeting republicans who where not involved in any rioting. While when loyalists riot, or attack republican protests and even post pic's of themselves online the cops make no arrests and don't raid homes.

Amnesty lol they are puppets.

[DontJudge]

So they can show Obama how to deal with violence with a bit of class.

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I would feel more worried about police dogs than horses.

[lilahnurave]

(Original post by glelin96)
Yes, horses are a bit more maneuverable but they are a lot less predictable, I have ridden them for 10 years and if I wasn't riding my horse, that I had trained, owned and cared for, I wouldn't feel safe riding it. A horse would pick up on this and be on edge.

Thats your nerves as a rider then. Have you any idea of the sort of training police horses go through? Obviously if they were as likely to take off at the sight of a crisp packet as a 'normal' horse then there would be incididents all over the place and they wouldnt be used. Id be interested to see the injury/death rate for police horses compared to say, those used for racing or eventing... just saying

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(Original post by lilahnurave)
Thats your nerves as a rider then. Have you any idea of the sort of training police horses go through? Obviously if they were as likely to take off at the sight of a crisp packet as a 'normal' horse then there would be incididents all over the place and they wouldnt be used. Id be interested to see the injury/death rate for police horses compared to say, those used for racing or eventing... just saying

A lot of the Police who use horses actually own and care for the horse. It's the same for the ones who use police dogs, they usually have cared for them from when they were a tiny pup until the day they die or retire. It's about trust and care, so a lot of the time it is actually their own horse, just to add onto the point of the poster I've replied to :P


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[glelin96]

(Original post by hannahhaworth)
Someone watched Casualty!

Somebody did! The family were in the next room while I was watching it, so I started a debate, that's when I came on here to get more ideas.

[glelin96]

(Original post by SmallTownGirl)
Police horses and their riders are highly trained to not get spooked or panicked or scared by anything. Like police dogs and guide dogs very few who begin the training make the grade as they have very high standards. So they don't spook. Ever. The mounted police are extremely good riders. And so they don't panic riding an unfamiliar horse. Maybe you just need to be a better rider...

Oh, and I've known lots of horses who have spooked. Most don't buck but shy away from the 'danger' which means they don't hurt anyone.

You're telling me that I need to be a better rider? REALLY? Revesby country fair, an event that the year I competed had around 20 entries in my group, I won.

My family have owned horses for years, yet I am the only one to agree with this. My parents have sold horses to some of the best jockey's, some of the best show jumpers and you're telling me that I need to be a better rider.

No horse can be trained not to spook. It just isn't possible, they are unpredictable, just as dogs are. I realize that the training process weeds out many of the 'weaker links' but even so, it just isn't possible.

[glelin96]

(Original post by Hopple)
Considering the ages of the people on this site, they've probably been bashed by riot police first

What on earth puts you in the position to make that assumption?

People that follow such narrow minded stereotypes make me sick.

[glelin96]

(Original post by TimmonaPortella)
Surely part of the fear factor of horses is that they have minds of their own? That they might just kick you, etc, whatever the policeman on top is doing?

Well, a horse that is spooked, will kick or buck regardless of whether the rider is nervous.

If a rider is nervous, this raises the chance of the horse being spooked. Just the same as dogs, they can pick up on nervousness from their owner, if you have an owner that is scared the dog will bite someone, the dog is more likely to bite someone.

[Hopple]

(Original post by glelin96)
What on earth puts you in the position to make that assumption?

People that follow such narrow minded stereotypes make me sick.

I apologise that pointing out that students were mistreated by riot police during the fees protests has made you sick. Are you by any chance one of the officers in this video?
The one who Cameron claimed was 'pulled off his horse and beaten'? Or maybe the one who is whacking the two unaggressive students over the heads with a baton?

[glelin96]

(Original post by boba)
you also have no reason to think that they don't so I fail to see why you even brought this up as a point. if you researched it and found out that they don't that would make sense but saying that without any reason to believe it is just a ridiculous point.

pleanty of people also go to riding schools and don't always ride the same horse and are perfectly comfortable and have the horse behave perfectly well. just because you wouldn't comfortable and fine on a different horse doesn't mean noone can
my grandads wife has a horse that many of her friends have ridden and it was fine for all of them the first time and non of them felt uncomfortable with it..

How is it a ridiculous point? I brought it up on this forum as an open debate, I did not mention any research that had caused me to post it. I thought the whole point of an argument was to inform people of their wrongs or to educate them, you seem to have failed this point.

No, you try and get your 'grandads wifes' horse to go around a riot, do show jumping or race without the rider getting nervous. When you do this, see what happens, and then come back here and spout some more rubbish you are claiming to know about yet clearly don't.

[glelin96]

(Original post by Hopple)
I apologise that pointing out that students were mistreated by riot police during the fees protests has made you sick. Are you by any chance one of the officers in this video?
The one who Cameron claimed was 'pulled off his horse and beaten'? Or maybe the one who is whacking the two unaggressive students over the heads with a baton?

No, I am a 16 year old student. I fail to see the relevance between your post and that video. You were basically saying that students, the people that stereotypically use this site are 'stereotypically' bashed by police officers. I for one know many students, and I don't know one that has had such happen to them.

[boba]

(Original post by glelin96)
How is it a ridiculous point? I brought it up on this forum as an open debate, I did not mention any research that had caused me to post it. I thought the whole point of an argument was to inform people of their wrongs or to educate them, you seem to have failed this point.

No, you try and get your 'grandads wifes' horse to go around a riot, do show jumping or race without the rider getting nervous. When you do this, see what happens, and then come back here and spout some more rubbish you are claiming to know about yet clearly don't.

its a ridiculous point to say "the police may not each have a horse that they always use" using that premise you could say "it may...and then anything" there is absolutely no basis for it whatsoever so it does not form a good point.

I do not claim my grandads wifes horse could do any of those things, it never does any of those things at all. but what it does day to day it will happily do with any rider, as do most riding school horses so one persons experience to say otherwise does not constitute enough evidence to say that horses will not be fine doing tasks they are used to with any competent rider.

my point was never that I knew about horses either it was that you were making whole points based on things that you didn't even claim to know about and were completly unfounded.

[Hopple]

(Original post by glelin96)
No, I am a 16 year old student. I fail to see the relevance between your post and that video. You were basically saying that students, the people that stereotypically use this site are 'stereotypically' bashed by police officers. I for one know many students, and I don't know one that has had such happen to them.

You're 16, would have been 14 at the time. The only reason you don't know anyone assaulted/kettled by the police is because all the 'students' you know would have been at home watching Teletubbies at the time.

[silverbolt]

(Original post by Potally_Tissed)
Size/intimidation really. No one is going to start a fight with a horse, or try to get in the way of one.

Ironically people were once trained just how to deal with an approaching rider (Basically club the crap out of the horses mouth.)


But yeah they are used to stop rioters. Obviously

[glelin96]

(Original post by Hopple)
You're 16, would have been 14 at the time. The only reason you don't know anyone assaulted/kettled by the police is because all the 'students' you know would have been at home watching Teletubbies at the time.

I would have been 14 at what time? I am in a private school with students from the age of 3-21 so I fail to see how you are able to make that assumption either.

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(Original post by glelin96)
Yes, horses are a bit more maneuverable but they are a lot less predictable, I have ridden them for 10 years and if I wasn't riding my horse, that I had trained, owned and cared for, I wouldn't feel safe riding it. A horse would pick up on this and be on edge.

Sorry if someone has already said this, but the riders riding police horses are effectively their owners. They care for the horses, ride them every day and so on and so forth. The horse is trained for those situations, and has riders it knows riding them, so it can cope. Usually I believe a horse and its rider are trained at the same time. My parents friend was in the mounted police, and she definitely had her own horse.