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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012I support it. And I'm glad it was a guy who created it -you've got balls.
Although, like letsjam says, the good porn section is a bit odd.
Don't worry about your negs and disagrements OP, I bet its only sad, lonely guys who can't get a girlfriend, who don't like this bill, cos they rely on porn!Last edited by Clare~Bear; 24-07-2012 at 10:29. -
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So I heard you like stereotyping(Original post by Clare~Bear)
I support it. And I'm glad it was a guy who created it -you've got balls.
Although, like letsjam says, the good porn section is a bit odd.
Don't worry about your negs and disagrements OP, I bet its only sad, lonely teenage boys who don't like this bill, cos they rely on porn!
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012(Original post by Clare~Bear)
Don't worry about your negs and disagrements OP, I bet its only sad, lonely teenage boys who don't like this bill, cos they rely on porn!
Yes I rely on it. Problem?
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012(Original post by paddy__power)
Darling it has been some years and a great many sweaty-hand sessions since you were teenage
Too true. I wasn't claiming to be a teenager though. The sad and lonely part I am certainly not denying.
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012A difficult issue really to make a decision on just because I can see both sides of the argument. However, with regards to the notes (and it is there that I shall begin my response), the author says the following:
Does making porn for the sake of porn (and we're talking about the 'good porn' as defined in this Bill) not devalue sex in much the same way? I'm struggling to see how commercialising sex is bad (sex for the sake of producing porn let's say) is bad, but producing free to view pornography (which is also sex for the sake of producing porn) is good. I'm not quite sure how one is inherently bad and one is inherently good to such an extent that you can draw a legal boundary between the two. In both cases sex is devalued and turned into a commodity (though in the case of 'good' porn it isn't a commodity which can be sold). That is my main issue with this Bill because I can't see how you can draw such a boundary and hence create this Bill.It devalues sex and strips it of all emotional content, transforms it into a cynically artificially commodity.
However, the other issue that I have with this Bill is the issue of personal freedoms. If someone wants to perform in pornography and someone wants to sell it, then what business is it of the state's to interfere and to say no? If we accept the above argument that what is legal and what isn't because of this Bill is rather arbitrary, then there can be no reason to pass this Bill.
One final point on this Bill for now. If the point of this is to somehow keep emotion within sex, then how does keeping 'good' porn actually do this? For the viewers there isn't going to be any emotional content. They will watch it for whatever reason they watch it, but it probably won't be because of the emotional content within sex. So I ask who will this protect? At whom is this Bill aimed? It can't be for the viewers because they don't give a damn about the emotional content of sex when watching porn and the actors who star in porn? Well they probably couldn't either. The Bill is well intentioned, but I don't think that it will honestly do much and is flawed in its thinking. It's a no from me.
(Quick note, you might want to correct the numbering for the next draft: 1, 2, 3, 5 doesn't really work. Great effort on the Bill as a whole though.)
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012(Original post by thunder_chunky)
Too true. I wasn't claiming to be a teenager though. The sad and lonely part I am certainly not denying.
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(Original post by thunder_chunky)
Too true. I wasn't claiming to be a teenager though. The sad and lonely part I am certainly not denying.
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012Nearly every guy watches porn. Plenty of guys with girlfriends, wives or just guys who get tons of female attention still watch porn because it displays acts which the female figures in their lives aren't willing to imitate. And it caters to their fantasies.(Original post by Clare~Bear)
I support it. And I'm glad it was a guy who created it -you've got balls.
Although, like letsjam says, the good porn section is a bit odd.
Don't worry about your negs and disagrements OP, I bet its only sad, lonely guys who can't get a girlfriend, who don't like this bill, cos they rely on porn! -
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012This bill is way too extreme for me. The goal is to try and stop the kind of porno that treats women badly (something that I think would be good) yet it bans the whole market in pornography rather than just the bad parts, which is why I think it goes too far.
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012Loads of women watch porn? There's actually "Girl friendly" sections on a lot of websites, where the videos are more focussed on what a woman would be interested in!(Original post by Metrobeans)
Commercial pornography is bad for society and bad for women. It is sexually repressive. It perpetuates the idea that sex is solely about pleasing men, it caters to male fantasies about women in such a way as to inflict these ideas onto how women view and evaluate themselves. It devalues sex and strips it of all emotional content, transforms it into a cynically artificially commodity. Ultimately this has led to women everywhere internalising false ideas about themselves - it leads them to think that their bodies are mere vessels for pleasing men, it removes their dignity and falsely asserts that men, by virtue of nature, should always be dominant. -
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012What about individuals, such as myself, who are partial to more extreme pornography, such as German scheisse porn and Dutch fart porn? Currently the free market makes sure that my thirst for it is quenched and then some, but I don't think there are many women who'd participate in the production of the aforementioned genres of porn if they were banned from being paid for it.
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012Well, prohibition of pornography is certainly the way to deal with the social problems it may cause, after all, we no longer have any drug addicts in the UK, and Prohibition worked out great for alcohol in America, so why not apply the same winning formula to porn.(Original post by RightSaidJames)
I have already provided two sources for you to consider, but here's some more stats:
- There are 116,000 searches for 'child pornography' every day.
- The average age that a child first sees porn is 11.
- 20% of men and 13% of women admit to watching porn at work.
Here's some more:
- There are approx 100,000 website that offer child pornography.
- 10% of adults admit to porn addiction of some sort.
- 17% of women are said to be struggling with porn addiction.
This would admittedly be nearly impossible to enforce without mass-blocking websites (which I don't agree with), but Britain would nonetheless be setting an example which other nations could follow. Furthermore, prohibiting the sale of porn would also impact upon hotels, television companies, sex shops and any UK-based company that resells porn created by others, so it wouldn't be completely pointless.Last edited by chrisawhitmore; 24-07-2012 at 14:20. -
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012In a world without cigarettes, I suspect there would be nobody who would desire cigarettes, and the world would be no worse a place without it. In the past, extreme pornography did not exist - people were content with the sort of saucy pamphlets that exploded the literature market in France during the 18th century. Markets create new options and cause people to value scarcer and more privileged things. All I'm suggesting is that markets don't just satisfy existing demands, they also create their own demand; so it's worth thinking about the extent to which pornography creates or satisfies demands.
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012Actually, a good deal of the opposition is ideological, as the Libers will oppose banning just about any product (see our bills on the legalisation of drugs and consensual prostitution within licensed brothels).(Original post by Clare~Bear)
I support it. And I'm glad it was a guy who created it -you've got balls.
Although, like letsjam says, the good porn section is a bit odd.
Don't worry about your negs and disagrements OP, I bet its only sad, lonely guys who can't get a girlfriend, who don't like this bill, cos they rely on porn!
Basically, we feel that the general public is qualified to decide what they want to watch, and that provided that nobody is harmed in the making of it, the government has no right to dictate to them. -
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012Yet, if we banned cigarettes tomorrow, the desire for cigarettes would not go away, nor would the market for cigarettes. The only difference is that rather than relatively reputable producers and distributors, the purveyors of cigarettes would be criminals.(Original post by Melancholy)
In a world without cigarettes, I suspect there would be nobody who would desire cigarettes, and the world would be no worse a place without it. In the past, extreme pornography did not exist - people were content with the sort of saucy pamphlets that exploded the literature market in France during the 18th century. Markets create new options and cause people to value scarcer and more privileged things. All I'm suggesting is that markets don't just satisfy existing demands, they also create their own demand; so it's worth thinking about the extent to which pornography creates or satisfies demands.
Porn of all sorts would still be available in the UK, but those supplying it would be criminals, so their profits would go to organised crime (as with drug dealers in countries who prohibit drugs, or bootleggers in Prohibition era USA). There is also a much greater likelihood of exploitation of women for this pornography as all the current checks an restrictions on porn actors (things like contract law and regular STD checks) would effectively be removed. -
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012Ok, lay off XKCD. XKCD is awesome. The bill is awful. But seriously, don't have a go at the guy who made these:(Original post by paddy__power)
To clarify: I am completely against this bill. Direct your unamusing internet cartoons toward those who support it. Thanks.
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/mistranslations.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/adam_and_eve.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/photoshops.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/eagle.png
(I just went to XKCD and pressed random 4 times. Pretty much all of them are good) -
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Re: B480 - Porn Bill 2012I didn't look at what was posted beyond noticing it was some cartoon - they are usually distinctly unamusing so I didn't feel the need to read it. The ones you link are fine and I actually laughed slightly at the photoshop one(Original post by chrisawhitmore)
Ok, lay off XKCD. XKCD is awesome. The bill is awful. But seriously, don't have a go at the guy who made these:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/mistranslations.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/adam_and_eve.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/photoshops.png
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/eagle.png
(I just went to XKCD and pressed random 4 times. Pretty much all of them are good)
