[Bulbasaur]

I think this comment hits the nail on the head, actually (and surprisingly, Guardian readers tend to agree):

(Original post by The Guardian)
Did these white men target their victims based on their race? And if they did, did they call any of them "Asian trash"? Will you, Joseph Harker, be arrested for pointing out the ethnicity of this sex gang in a national newspaper, as two individuals were who mentioned the previous cases in a private meeting?

If there's a distortion or disparity in the reporting of these cases it's because "racially motivated crimes", or "hate crimes" are considered far more important than regular crimes. And that's a product of the race relations industry.

[Bulbasaur]

(Original post by zaliack)
Did you know that 21% of girls, and 11% of boys have been sexually abused? (Cawson, Wattam, Brooker and Kelly, 2000 (NSPCC))

So 32% of the population has been sexually abused.

A study in Canada suggests that convicted sex offenders have, on average, 336 victims each. (Abel, Mittleman and Becker, 1985)

So 60,000,000*32/336, and that means there is roughly 57,000 sex offenders in the UK.

Yet only 346 offenders are Asian. The truth is, we don't know if it is a problem, and we never will. So let's just forget about trying to make this a race thing, and just focus on stopping it completely.

Great maths

[zaliack]

(Original post by Bulbasaur)
Great maths

(Original post by Frube)
lol

feel stupid now, but point still stands

[Dirac Delta Function]

(Original post by Bulbasaur)
I think this comment hits the nail on the head, actually (and surprisingly, Guardian readers tend to agree):

thankfully not all Guardian readers are Islamic-apologist leftist morons.

[Darth Stewie]

(Original post by B-Man.)
If you read the article, you'd have seen that:The media gives Asian gangs far more media coverage than Whites gangs, which is problematic as it leads people to believe it's endemic.

However, a more important point is how we don't have the same discussion of cultural issues of the ethnic group when it's White criminals. 93% of the perpetrators of paedophilia in the UK are white whilst demographically constituting 87% of the UK population. This is rarely, if ever, discussed in the context of questioning how/why the depravity of 'White culture' encourages this behaviour, as is done with BME groups. This is why people claim the focus on the culture of BME ethnic groups in these cases are racist, as the media do not take the same approach to White criminality.

Source

The concern with Asian gangs is if the reason there are such a disproportional amount of people who come from Asian areas committing this crime is because of values that are being promoted within said communities, this isn't a simple pedophilia issue it is dealing specifically with groups of people that intentionally groom a number of children for sex over extended amounts of time, 93% of people who commit a broad crime being from a skin color that 87% of the country is pretty much expected and is not in any way shape or form the same as having a ethnic group that only makes up around 5% of the population committing well over 25% of a very specific crime.

The media gives this so much coverage because it isn't just individual cases, there is a strong amount of evidence that this is the result of certain cultural views held by various minority cultures in Britain, that makes it news worthy.

[Elipsis]

(Original post by B-Man.)
From your source:

The BBC would say that, wouldn't they? Do you really think they want to put up with the amount of complaints PC douchebags would inundate them with?

[B-Man.]

(Original post by Frube)
The problem is cultural because almost all of the victims are white, even In areas with huge ethnic populations.

The majority is still White thus making them more likely to be the victims. I'm not sure if you are actually interested in discovering why more victims are White than Asian or whether you just want to propagate a narrative that suits you, but I'll explain it anyway. Children from lone parent households and those in care are more at risk of sexual abuse. Children in local authority care are more than four times as likely to face sexual exploitation than those who are not. Statistically Asians are the least likely to come from lone parent households, but White people are almost twice as likely than Asians to be from a lone parent households. You also find a similar contrast with the number of Asian children looked after by local authorities. Of children who are looked after by local authorities 76% were white, whilst only 5% were Asian. That's why White children are more likely to be the victims, as well as the fact Whites make up the majority of the population both nationally and locally.

(Original post by Frube)
Asian men make up around 4% of the population. Yet they at a minimum represent 28% of child groomers.

http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/...ve_summary.pdf

This report conducted by CEOP stresses that national conclusions about ethnicity cannot be drawn from the data available because it relies on limited nationwide information, with much of the data coming from a limited number of areas.

[Annoying-Mouse]

It looks like this guy didn't do his research, I knew I thought I saw it in the Daily Mail. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ddly-toys.html

A guardian reader seems to have found reported in the Indepdent and BBC as well as ITV.

Anyway, I think it's kinda idiotic to suggest Islam played a role considering it strictly forbids these kind of things and I also think it's silly blaming Asian culture (wtf is that?). What part of Asian culture encourages groping? I think there's some sort of small inter-community culture that encourages this.

[f1mad]

(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
What part of Asian culture encourages groping? I think there's some sort of small inter-community culture that encourages this.

.

[whyumadtho]

Is a principle of 'British culture' responsible for the small proportion of the British population who engage in child exploitation in the Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia, etc.? The 'culture' label is being applied very perfunctorily.

[Elipsis]

(Original post by zaliack)
Did you know that 21% of girls, and 11% of boys have been sexually abused? (Cawson, Wattam, Brooker and Kelly, 2000 (NSPCC))

So 16% of the population has been sexually abused.

A study in Canada suggests that convicted sex offenders have, on average, 336 victims each. (Abel, Mittleman and Becker, 1985)

So 60,000,000*.16/336, and that means there is roughly 28,000 sex offenders in the UK.

Yet only 346 offenders are Asian. The truth is, we don't know if it is a problem, and we never will. So let's just forget about trying to make this a race thing, and just focus on stopping it completely.

Where are you getting only 346 offenders are Asian from? LOL. If you extrapolate those figures there are almost 8000 Asian offenders. Those are just the ones who were caught. That means 0.06% of Asians are child sex groomers vs 0.01% of white men. That means 6 in every thousand asians is a child sex groomer, and 1 in 1000 white men is a child sex groomer. Having sex grooming rates of 6x higher than the native population, and only carrying that grooming out on the native population, is a very big and disgusting problem - especially when you consider the perpetrators grew by almost 50% in the last decade. If they grow another 50% in the next decade that's another 36,000 child groomers we have to cope with in this country if we don't do something about this problem.

[B-Man.]

(Original post by Darth Stewie)
The concern with Asian gangs is if the reason there are such a disproportional amount of people who come from Asian areas committing this crime is because of values that are being promoted within said communities,

That's the point being made; this type of discussion of ethnic culture doesn't take place, at least as prominently in the media, when White criminality is over-represented.

(Original post by Darth Stewie)
93% of people who commit a broad crime being from a skin color that 87% of the country is pretty much expected

No, it's not; why are you being so intellectually dishonest? It is not expected for criminal offences to be committed disproportionately. Quite the opposite.

(Original post by Darth Stewie)
The media gives this so much coverage because it isn't just individual cases, there is a strong amount of evidence that this is the result of certain cultural views held by various minority cultures in Britain, that makes it news worthy.

What evidence? Most experts and senior detectives say that there is not a racial or cultural issue.

[B-Man.]

(Original post by Elipsis)
The BBC would say that, wouldn't they? Do you really think they want to put up with the amount of complaints PC douchebags would inundate them with?

Not the BBC. The same group that conducted the research to find those figures said that.

[B-Man.]

(Original post by Frube)
How convenient

Brilliant rebuttal.

[zaliack]

(Original post by Elipsis)
Where are you getting only 346 offenders are Asian from? LOL. If you extrapolate those figures there are almost 8000 Asian offenders. Those are just the ones who were caught. That means 0.06% of Asians are child sex groomers vs 0.01% of white men. That means 6 in every thousand asians is a child sex groomer, and 1 in 1000 white men is a child sex groomer. Having sex grooming rates of 6x higher than the native population, and only carrying that grooming out on the native population, is a very big and disgusting problem - especially when you consider the perpetrators grew by almost 50% in the last decade. If they grow another 50% in the next decade that's another 36,000 child groomers we have to cope with in this country if we don't do something about this problem.

How did you come up with 8000 offenders without making massive presumptions? I used the BBCs figures. Only 1000/27000 sex offenders have been caught, so there is no statistical way of telling if we have a problem or not, and that was my point. So just forget about your racially motivated attacks on Asians, and focus on the victims.

[Elipsis]

(Original post by zaliack)
How did you come up with 8000 offenders without making massive presumptions? I used the BBCs figures. Only 1000/27000 sex offenders have been caught, so there is no statistical way of telling if we have a problem or not, and that was my point. So just forget about your racially motivated attacks on Asians, and focus on the victims.

So you are suggesting that Asians are just worse at it and therefore get caught more or what? What a lousy excuse. 1 in 27 people is a high enough sample to extrapolate quite easily, they don't interview that many people to figure out who has won the election in the closing polls and they get it almost totally right. I suspect that even if we caught half of all groomers, and the stats were the same, you'd hide behind this excuse. It's classic and perfect because we'll never catch all the groomers.

[Cephalus]

That's why you have to read a more reliable paper like the Daily Mail

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by B-Man.)
Brilliant rebuttal.

I remember I said the same thing and he replied like that. Probably the same person. Should be obvious to anyone that white women would make up the majority of victims.

[systeric]

Came into this thread feeling skeptical but the article was pretty interesting.

The author had me convinced for a second, but having now looked at some of the comments, it's pretty clear that he's distorted things a little:


Goldkruger:

'"Of the daily papers, only the Guardian and the Times reported it"

Well that's a flat out lie for a start:-

Daily Mail:- (and the four photo's were all Caucasian):-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ddly-toys.html

Independent:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-7942201.html

BBC:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-18836104

ITV:-
http://www.itv.com/news/central/stor...ild-sex-trial/

Hardly some "cover-up". In fact, all above articles were dated 13th July and all were visible long before this article was published. Very poor research verging on race-baiting...'

FreeBethnalGreen:

'Did these white men target their victims based on their race? And if they did, did they call any of them "Asian trash"? Will you, Joseph Harker, be arrested for pointing out the ethnicity of this sex gang in a national newspaper, as two individuals were who mentioned the previous cases in a private meeting?

If there's a distortion or disparity in the reporting of these cases it's because "racially motivated crimes", or "hate crimes" are considered far more important than regular crimes. And that's a product of the race relations industry.'

Gambitman1:

'it is pointed out that there are 1.2 million pakistanis inthe UK which i believe is approx 1/50th of the population. Yet CEOP has asian grooming gangs as being 41 out of 230....this is 17%. So when 2% of a population make up 17% of all known/unknown crimes in an area surely this makes it a news worthy story.

Sorry but the figures appear to suggest that there is an issue here that needs to be addressed.'

[B-Man.]

(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
I remember I said the same thing and he replied like that. Probably the same person. Should be obvious to anyone that white women would make up the majority of victims.

It's hilariously pathetic when people are so desperate to defend their narrative that they will offer any rebuttal, no matter how stupid it makes them look.