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(Original post by Cephalus)
It is difficult. If I were to describe it to you, I would compare it to a book. A book has length, width and breath. None of these is equal to the other but when they are in unison we have a book.

It's clear we have 1 God. But that God is made up of three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit

So the three are not equal?

Also why in the bible does Jesus say he can't do anything by himself. Surely he could if he was God?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...30&version=NIV

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(Original post by Pinkhead)
Oh don't be so uptight.
We do not have to respect your beliefs.
There is a difference between respecting you as a person and respecting your actual beliefs.
We can mock your prophet all we want.

Yes you can but that is just acting very immature isn't it.

[notsure]

False! Islam started before him. Why do you think he's known as the LAST PROPHET? Ibrahim (abraham) built the ka'bah (place muslims pray towards) which was also used by mahammed and until today by all Muslims. Now back to the jesus talk. Jesus was a prophet but was sent by god to spread the word of Islam to the children of israel (Jews). Many of the Muslim prophets were also Jews which converted to Islam and spread the word of Islam. This was why the quran and also bible say the jews were blessed people due to many prophets coming to them. Anyways, agree or not, Islam was established long a ago way before Mohammed. You can carry on acting with as if you know all the facts of Islam as if your a muslim yourself. And for your friend the so called "ExMuslim" who dedicates his life to making up shiz on islam for god knows what cause, go get the real facts and figures from an actual Muslim, you know, face to face cos you need the help!


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[Historophilia]

(Original post by satisfactionatlast)
Respect yourself and don't you dare mock our Prophet (PBUH).

While what said may not be polite it is his right to speak freely and give his opinion.

That includes the right to criticize and even mock another's religion.

To quote Evelyn Beatrice Hall's summation of Voltaire's views:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

[Cephalus]

(Original post by . . .)
So the three are not equal?

Also why in the bible does Jesus say he can't do anything by himself. Surely he could if he was God?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...30&version=NIV

Yes, he says he can do nothing by himself. As he says in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one". The relationship between the Father and the Son is such that they are both in perfect unison, with Jesus having all the authority of the Father

[notsure]

(Original post by Historophilia)
While what said may not be polite it is his right to speak freely and give his opinion.

That includes the right to criticize and even mock another's religion.

To quote Evelyn Beatrice Hall's summation of Voltaire's views:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Though wouldn't a practising Jew or a Christian say the same thing back if someone said Jesus wad this or nosed was that. At the end of the day, they've got the right to defend there own beliefs too otherwise there wouldn't be such thing as standing up for your beliefs


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[DxxbPwnz]

So as I see it Islam (obviously) was discovered when Mohammed (PBUH) was ya'know, seeing what he saw. But BASICALLY all the 3 religions have one God, we believe in the same God we just worship him in different ways cause as we all know the religions themselves split up into different sects. We all wanna get into heaven; simples.

[floccinaucihilli]

(Original post by PrismaticCore)
Oh for crying out loud, will you please just shut up with all the abusive language towards a religion which I don't think you were even a part of.

Life expectancy is around 80~ years. Are you seriously going to spend your years preaching hate towards a religion you don't even care about on a site full of hormonal/overly sensitive teenagers?
Because if so, I pray for you.


On an actually related note, though, I think you'll find that the 'core' of all abrahamic religions is pretty much the same (i.e. the main beliefs), therefore I don't see much point in trying to label Jesus as any one of the three. At the end of the day, he was a man sent from god with a message and we should all respect that (if we're believers, that is) instead of spend time and effort trying to label him with one of the three.

Are you seriously going to waste your time believing and attempting to telepathically communicate with your imaginary friend? If so, I'll think for you.

[Historophilia]

(Original post by notsure)
Though wouldn't a practising Jew or a Christian say the same thing back if someone said Jesus wad this or nosed was that. At the end of the day, they've got the right to defend there own beliefs too otherwise there wouldn't be such thing as standing up for your beliefs


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True.

But saying "Don't you dare" isn't really defending your beliefs, it just sounds childish, and gives the impression that they're verbally lashing out.

[notsure]

(Original post by Arbolus)
It really isn't as far-fetched as everyone seems to think. There aren't many differences between Islam and Judaism - the only big one is that Jews don't believe in either Jesus or Muhammad. The only requirement for someone to be considered a Muslim is to believe that "There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God", and if the possibility that Jesus was indeed a prophet and did predict the coming of Muhammad is considered, that would be enough for him to be a Muslim. It's just as valid a hypothesis as the idea that Jesus was the Son of God.

Not that that makes it any more believable.

I Gree with what your saying but not the fact that Jews don't belies in Jesus. It is said in the torah that they expected a prophet coming for them (jesus) but when he came he rejected them an was instead a Muslim which is why the Jews don't often don't talk about them.


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[James A]

(Original post by . . .)
Islam believes that there was always and will be one message it does not disregard the abrahamic religions before it. It believes that any messenger or prophet bringing this one message to the people is Muslim.
The core message is the same in all the abrahamic faiths. Jesus delivered this message so he is considered Muslim as did Moses.

such a biased view.

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(Original post by James A)


such a biased view.

Everything has a bias.

[...mo...]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
Sigh.

Jesus wasn't a Muslim. If he even existed he was a heretic Jew. There was no such thing as a "Muslim" in the ancient world before MoMo came down from the cave and proclaimed himself a Prophet ordained by Allah via the Angel Gabriel.

neg rep for that

[Cephalus]

(Original post by notsure)
I Gree with what your saying but not the fact that Jews don't belies in Jesus. It is said in the torah that they expected a prophet coming for them (jesus) but when he came he rejected them an was instead a Muslim which is why the Jews don't often don't talk about them.


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That's not true, Jesus didn't reject the Jews. They rejected him.

[Gulliviere]

Let me give you an insight of what's happening in my country, Indonesia, a country with the largest Muslim population in the world that (is supposed to) acknowledge 5 different religions as part of its unity in diversity slogan..



Translation:
Remember...!
If you build a church in Kelapa Dua district,
we Muslims are ready to jihad..!
Live holy or die as a shahid.


You can conclude yourself.

P.S. I did not take the photo myself.

[Acumen]

Something to clear out regarding freedom of expression :

The real clash is not between those who are for and those who are against a freedom. Rather it is between two different freedoms. On the one hand is the freedom to insult. On the other is freedom from insult. Whether it was the Satanic Verses of the 1980s or the Cartoons of 2005 and their endless reproduction since then, if they stand for any freedom, it is freedom to insult. Pure and simple. Muslims, on the other hand, have stood for and demanded freedom from insult. Nothing more. Nothing less.
These are certainly opposing values. You can be for one or the other. And the question does arise, which one is a better value.



To see that let us imagine a society that truly believes in the first as a cherished moral value. It celebrates freedom to insult and guards it at all costs. Every member of it enjoys this freedom and practices it regularly. In a business everyone insults everyone else. The boss is insulting the employees, the employees are insulting the bosses. The salesmen are insulting the customers. The accountants are insulting the creditors. Everyone is enjoying the great freedom to insult. The same is true of the home. The parents are always insulting the children. The children are constantly insulting the parents. The spouses are incessantly insulting each other. And in doing so they all stand on the high moral ground because freedom to insult is such a fundamental freedom on which the society is built.



Actually contrary to the claims of the pundits if the Western society was truly built on this “cherished moral value,” it would have perished a long time ago --- consumed by the fires of hatred and negativity generated by this freedom. No home, no neighborhood, no village, no business, no organization and no society can survive for long if it makes freedom to insult as a cornerstone of its freedoms. Clearly most who advocate this freedom do not practice it in their daily lives. But they are making an exception in the case of Islam and Muslims. The driving force behind this is not any great moral principle but a deep rooted hatred born of ignorance.

Software professionals sometimes use a term called beature. It stands for a bug turned into a feature. A bug is a defect in the software. A feature, on the other hand, is a desirable attribute. A beature is a defect that is presented (thanks to slick marketing) as a feature. Freedom to insult is also a beature. It is the growing sickness of Islamophobia in the West which is being presented as a high moral value, packaged by the slick marketing departments as freedom of expression.

Well, whether or not freedom to insult is a Western value, Islam has nothing to do with it. It lays emphasis on its exact opposite: the freedom from insult. It values human dignity, decency, and harmony in the society. The freedom of religion it ensures includes freedom from insults. While it does not shy away from academic discussion of its beliefs and showing the falsehood of non-Islamic beliefs, it makes sure that the discussion remains civil. In those discussions it wants to engage the intellect of its opponents; in contrast those who itch to insult their opponents are interested in satisfying their vulgar emotions. Thus while its most important battle is against false gods it asks its followers to refrain from reviling them. (Qur’an, Al-anam, 6:108). It also reminds them to stay away from harsh speech. “Allah loves not the utterance of harsh speech save by one who has been wronged.” (Qur’an, Al-Nisa, 4:148). Prophet Muhammad, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, who is being reviled by the scum of the world, taught Muslims to never let the low moral standards of their adversaries dictate theirs.


As a result of these teachings Muslims can never even imagine insulting any Prophet ---
from Adam to Moses to Jesus to Muhammad, peace be upon them all. Even when they ruled the world, Muslims treated the religious leaders of non-Muslim also with respect – even during battles. In the Baghdad court Jewish and Christian scholars engaged in open discussions with the Muslim savants. Needless to say they had not been attracted by the freedom to insult but its exact opposite. Freedom from insult is a fundamental value that assures peace and harmony. It leads to healthy societies. And Muslims are very proud of their impeccable record here.


What is true of a home or a village is also true of the world as it has become a global village. Now, more than ever before, the world needs the harmony and tolerance that can only be assured by the freedom from insults.

Source : Al balagh

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Basically I could not find any better explaination other then I copied from an article. Just lets understand what is freedom of expression first, freedom to "critisize" "insult" especially regarding the prophet. e.t.c And lets get our facts right.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

I would have thought Jesus was Jewish?

On a side note, if not, I would have also thought, given the similarities of the religions that the Jews thought he was Jewish, Christians thought he was Christian and Muslims thought he was Muslim?

[Cephalus]

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
I would have thought Jesus was Jewish?

On a side note, if not, I would have also thought, given the similarities of the religions that the Jews thought he was Jewish, Christians thought he was Christian and Muslims thought he was Muslim?

No, Christians believe that he led his life as the perfect Jew, meaning that he could die for our sins

[Astronomical]

(Original post by practice is key)
if you look at jesus pictures he looks like a muslim and muslims actually follow his teachings more than the cristians

Either you are trolling very badly, or you are severely mentally handicapped.

[hurricane carter]

(Original post by Historophilia)
Someone who submits them-self to God.

correct!