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Actuary or Accountant (Salary, Potential & Opportunities)

I know this question has been asked quite a few times already, and I have tried to read most of the other threads out there, but I don't think it's been fully answered.

I have read that on average an actuary earns more than an accountant. I just wondered if anyone can verify that.

Working for the Big 4 in Audit (in London), you will start off at around 27k. This progresses suddenly to approx. 42k when you qualify.

As an actuary you start with a similar base salary of 27k (to a possible 35k). Then you get a bump every time you pass an exam and you end up with around 45k when you qualify in about 5 years (I believe this is what happens at Towers Watson right?).

So basically the salaries pre- and after qualification are fairly similar with actuaries leading by a couple thousand.


But after being a qualified auditor, you have a lot of options: internal audit, product control, management accounting, equity research (and possibly other IB-related fields) etc.

I believe that most of those options can pay at least 50k with some being a lot higher.

I believe that the pay for actuaries is capped at around 200k and that comes after a long time in industry. Whereas a big 4 accountant could potentially be a Big 4 partner, a CFO/CEO etc.


Would you not say that an auditor from the Big 4 has a greater potential to earn more? And also quite a good chance at earning more too?

Also can anyone name some well-paid exit opps after the Big 4 that are common?

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Reply 1
City accountants earn more I think. Senior product controllers are easily on 100k all-in comp.

Big 4 accountants pay crap, but industry accounting beats actuarial pay just marginally I think.
Reply 2
Shouldn't you ask yourself which area you are more interested in ? £ is not everything !
Reply 3
Your data on actuarial pay is a bit low. Starting is correct, but on qualification you're more likely to be on minimum £60k if you're in London with a good firm. So a fair bit more than accountancy on qualification.

However you need to consider that both roles are VERY different. You need to think about which you would prefer, and also which would offer you the better exit opportunities. The only problem with actuarial, if there were any, is that exit opportunities are far more limited dare I say.
Reply 4
Original post by .ACS.
Your data on actuarial pay is a bit low. Starting is correct, but on qualification you're more likely to be on minimum £60k if you're in London with a good firm. So a fair bit more than accountancy on qualification.


That's only the case for big 4 audit. Starting salary in industry for newly qualified is about 60k, which is why so many leave the big 4 once they qualified. I say accountants earn more simply because of the ease at which they can get high paying back office work at investment banks. It takes 6 years to qualify as an actuary. However an ACA with 6 years of experience would easily be on a salary of 80k in industry. (this all applies to London)

Actuarial work is more interesting, but I'm gonna go against the general consensus and say City accountants earn more.
Reply 5
Original post by T.Adams VI
That's only the case for big 4 audit. Starting salary in industry for newly qualified is about 60k, which is why so many leave the big 4 once they qualified. I say accountants earn more simply because of the ease at which they can get high paying back office work at investment banks. It takes 6 years to qualify as an actuary. However an ACA with 6 years of experience would easily be on a salary of 80k in industry. (this all applies to London)

Actuarial work is more interesting, but I'm gonna go against the general consensus and say City accountants earn more.


Eh?
Reply 6
Original post by T.Adams VI
That's only the case for big 4 audit. Starting salary in industry for newly qualified is about 60k, which is why so many leave the big 4 once they qualified. I say accountants earn more simply because of the ease at which they can get high paying back office work at investment banks. It takes 6 years to qualify as an actuary. However an ACA with 6 years of experience would easily be on a salary of 80k in industry. (this all applies to London)

Actuarial work is more interesting, but I'm gonna go against the general consensus and say City accountants earn more.


While the industry average for qualifying as an actuary is five/six years, the London consulting firms (including the Big 4) expect you to do it in three/four years, so roughly the same time as it takes to qualify as an accountant. (But if you're outside of London and not working for a consulting firm, then it can take much longer to qualify! I know someone working outside of London in industry and he's still unqualified after ten years.)

As an actuary, with six years' experience (four years to qualify and two post-qualified), you should be on about £80k.

That said, what are the exit opportunities like for accountants post-qualification and post-Big 4? Specifically, what are salaries like for people who've entered industry after having qualified in the Big 4?
Original post by KPCN
I believe that the pay for actuaries is capped at around 200k and that comes after a long time in industry. Whereas a big 4 accountant could potentially be a Big 4 partner, a CFO/CEO etc.


A Big 4 actuary could become a Big 4 partner as well, couldn't they? Also, the CFOs, CROs and CEOs of insurance companies often seem to be actuaries as well.
The pay for your ordinary actuary probably won't exceed £200k. But as with most professions, climbing into the management type positions (e.g. CRO/CFO/CEO/Partner) can certainly push earnings higher than that.
A fair few actuaries also go into contract work, where rates for an experienced actuary can be between £700-1500 per day.
Reply 8
Original post by KPCN


Would you not say that an auditor from the Big 4 has a greater potential to earn more? And also quite a good chance at earning more too?




How long is a piece of string? I know someone who was made big 4 advisory partner at age 35 and is now a multi-millionaire. By the same token, there are people at the big 4 who never make it past senior manager.

I'm sure the same applies to the actuary profession. Its not about 'chance', its about networking.
Reply 9
27k is nothing! That's like 75 pounds per day. Why bother going to Uni for that?


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Reply 10
Original post by .ACS.
While the industry average for qualifying as an actuary is five/six years, the London consulting firms (including the Big 4) expect you to do it in three/four years, so roughly the same time as it takes to qualify as an accountant. (But if you're outside of London and not working for a consulting firm, then it can take much longer to qualify! I know someone working outside of London in industry and he's still unqualified after ten years.)

As an actuary, with six years' experience (four years to qualify and two post-qualified), you should be on about £80k.

That said, what are the exit opportunities like for accountants post-qualification and post-Big 4? Specifically, what are salaries like for people who've entered industry after having qualified in the Big 4?


A city accountant with 4 years experience would be on 60k+ quite easily. Whereas a newly qualified actuary (4 years exp) would be on 50k, thats already a 10k differential. The progression after that is usually at the same rate. Added to that, there are probably at least 10 times more jobs for accountants than actuaries, making accounting salaries much more easier to achieve.

I'm not advocating for accountancy as I think actuarial work is a million times more interesting than accounting. I'm just highlighting the fact that city accountants are more likely to be earning more than their actuarial counterparts. I must stress I'm only talking about London, in fact probs just the square mile.
Reply 11
Original post by T.Adams VI
A city accountant with 4 years experience would be on 60k+ quite easily. Whereas a newly qualified actuary (4 years exp) would be on 50k, thats already a 10k differential. The progression after that is usually at the same rate. Added to that, there are probably at least 10 times more jobs for accountants than actuaries, making accounting salaries much more easier to achieve.

I'm not advocating for accountancy as I think actuarial work is a million times more interesting than accounting. I'm just highlighting the fact that city accountants are more likely to be earning more than their actuarial counterparts. I must stress I'm only talking about London, in fact probs just the square mile.


What I'm struggling with is your salary figures for actuaries. In London, a consulting actuary starts on £27k - £30k. So that's fresh out of university on a graduate scheme. Then, after three to four years training they qualify and gain FIA status, and are on minimum £60k.

I'm not sure where you get the £50k for a qualified actuary in London from, but that's too low; outside of London though, it's very feasible. A friend of mine at Deloitte (London) was on just over £60k when they were one exam away from qualifying, and that was pretty standard for the Big 4 he said. (Not to mention, after qualifying for the exam, he'd get the exam bonus plus the qualifying bonus, putting his salary well above £60k.)

I can't comment about accountancy pay in industry once qualified, since my knowledge is of Big 4 accountancy pay only, so it could indeed pay better in the long run than actuarial, but I do know your actuarial salaries are below the mark of what they actually are.
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Reply 12
Original post by .ACS.
What I'm struggling with is your salary figures for actuaries. In London, a consulting actuary starts on £27k - £30k. So that's fresh out of university on a graduate scheme. Then, after three to four years training they qualify and gain FIA status, and are on minimum £60k.

I'm not sure where you get the £50k for a qualified actuary in London from, but that's too low; outside of London though, it's very feasible. A friend of mine at Deloitte (London) was on just over £60k when they were one exam away from qualifying, and that was pretty standard for the Big 4 he said. (Not to mention, after qualifying for the exam, he'd get the exam bonus plus the qualifying bonus, putting his salary well above £60k.)

I can't comment about accountancy pay in industry once qualified, since my knowledge is of Big 4 accountancy pay only, so it could indeed pay better in the long run than actuarial, but I do know your actuarial salaries are below the mark of what they actually are.


My actuarial quotes are coming from what people are saying in this thread. Actuarial pay is very hard to estimate there are not many jobs around, unlike accountancy which is fairly easy to predict.
Reply 13
Original post by Mr E
27k is nothing! That's like 75 pounds per day. Why bother going to Uni for that?


Because of the progression? Doubles over 3/4 years?
Reply 14
Original post by .ACS.
What I'm struggling with is your salary figures for actuaries. In London, a consulting actuary starts on £27k - £30k. So that's fresh out of university on a graduate scheme. Then, after three to four years training they qualify and gain FIA status, and are on minimum £60k.

I'm not sure where you get the £50k for a qualified actuary in London from, but that's too low; outside of London though, it's very feasible. A friend of mine at Deloitte (London) was on just over £60k when they were one exam away from qualifying, and that was pretty standard for the Big 4 he said. (Not to mention, after qualifying for the exam, he'd get the exam bonus plus the qualifying bonus, putting his salary well above £60k.)

I can't comment about accountancy pay in industry once qualified, since my knowledge is of Big 4 accountancy pay only, so it could indeed pay better in the long run than actuarial, but I do know your actuarial salaries are below the mark of what they actually are.


You seem to have a good idea of the salary progression of a London-based actuary. Would you mind helping me estimate the typical salary of an actuary working for a big firm (like Towers Watson) in London?

Assuming qualification in 3 years:

Year 1: 27k - 35k
Year 2:
Year 3:
Qualification: 60k+

How does the salary progress from qualification onwards?
Is it mainly based on networking from then onwards?
Original post by .ACS.
Your data on actuarial pay is a bit low. Starting is correct, but on qualification you're more likely to be on minimum £60k if you're in London with a good firm. So a fair bit more than accountancy on qualification.

However you need to consider that both roles are VERY different. You need to think about which you would prefer, and also which would offer you the better exit opportunities. The only problem with actuarial, if there were any, is that exit opportunities are far more limited dare I say.



ACS how are you finding your final few years at Soton? :smile: any luck with the actuarial internships?
I don't think being an accountant is a very interesting job. However it definitely pays well over a career
Reply 17
Original post by KPCN
You seem to have a good idea of the salary progression of a London-based actuary. Would you mind helping me estimate the typical salary of an actuary working for a big firm (like Towers Watson) in London?

Assuming qualification in 3 years:

Year 1: 27k - 35k
Year 2:
Year 3:
Qualification: 60k+

How does the salary progress from qualification onwards?
Is it mainly based on networking from then onwards?



your numbers are low...
Y1: 30
Y2: 45
Y3: 60
y4: 70

as someone who just qualified as an Actuary in a big4 com
Reply 18
Original post by KPCN
You seem to have a good idea of the salary progression of a London-based actuary. Would you mind helping me estimate the typical salary of an actuary working for a big firm (like Towers Watson) in London?

Assuming qualification in 3 years:

Year 1: 27k - 35k
Year 2:
Year 3:
Qualification: 60k+

How does the salary progress from qualification onwards?
Is it mainly based on networking from then onwards?



your numbers are low...
Y1: 30
Y2: 45
Y3: 60
y4: 70
y5: 80-90
....

as someone who worked in a big 4 company until recently, trust me, accountants here are paid a lot less (after 4 years, won't be in more than 50k)
And so they should! There job is far easier than that as an actuary!

However the big 4 doesn't necessarily do it on qualification; they tend to do it on your grade (which is correlated, but not perfectly) is whether your an associate, manager etc.

Another way to look at it, is what is the big 4's charge out rates for these people?
An actuarial manager is charged out at c.500 an hour... An accountant manager is about 350!

Also, Actuarial is considered the hardest qualification out there; there's not as many of us compared to accountants!

Theres a huge amount of CEOs who are Actuaries, but in non-actuarial positions - this is the esteem people hold actuaries in! Similarly with all C-suites!

Getting to partner isn't easy; you have to be good in your field! This means there are Actuarial Partners ( who again are paid more)

On top of that, going into industry, actuaries would typically be found on trading floors and in hedge funds! Not stuck in the back as accountants!

I guess it comes down to this, do you want to be a specialist and work in something others can't do, or be an accoutant??

However Actuaries are a little strange - highly intelligent and very good at maths - you have been warned :-)
Reply 19
Related to this topic (and having been unable to find anything about it on this website), what kind of pay would a qualified Big 4 accountant be looking at in a product control position at a large investment bank? And what kind of progression would they be looking at from there?

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